Topic: ❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award - page 6. (Read 151885 times)

You are trying to discredit me by calling me a "multi-accounter".  We both know exactly what is implied when a poker player is called a "multi-accounter".  

Your initial feedback on me:



Cut the bull shit scumbag.

The difference is that having single accounts on separate skins on the same network is not against a sites terms and conditions; whereas, having multiple accounts on a single skin within the same network is against terms and conditions.  And, the question is not whether one is "cheating" or "not cheating," the question is whether it's right to take vengeance out on others because one was banned for violating terms and conditions of a particular site. To be clear, violating the terms and conditions of a particular site IS against the rules and it is well within a sites discretion to ban such activity.  Whether one opens separate accounts to spam the platform with gay porn or if one opens separate accounts to take advantage of sign-up bonuses, it is still against the rules.  To be sure, I understand why twitchy is mad because his main account was quite established and he had invested a lot into it, but that still does not justify the subsequent behavior.

^^^

He gets it.

I agree with you.  But those are multiple accounts.  Wouldn't it be fucked up if someone tried to make it seem like your were cheating other players?  (the way you are to me?)

Yes...those are all single accounts at separate casinos....and it is well within the terms and conditions.  That is not multi-accounting

I'm saying that their audit will be FAR more comprehensive than anything that is done by the sovern nation that Betsoft pays a monthly fee to for a "license".  

Also, for someone who seems to feel so strongly about multi-accounters being evil, you sure do seem to have a LOT of WPN accounts

Are you saying that casinolistings audited the Betsoft software?  Or, are you mistaking an interpretation of a 9 month limited scope statistical analysis for a software audit?  Are you also saying that all these casinos stopped providing Betsoft software: http://www.askgamblers.com/software/betsoft/ ?

Anyway, sorry....I'm done here.  i don't feel like I'm getting anywhere.

Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (TOS)


-> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing!

-> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud!

Fraud Act 2016

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).


Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or in Curacao or nowhere?


Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong?

How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense?

If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability?

Is the company who operates Betcoin.ag incorporated in Curacao and holds a worthless Curacao eGaming license?

If this is the case, what is the name of the company? Why is the name of the operator not stated on their website?

If Betcoin.ag has a valid license, why do they not state the seal on their website?

Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoin to something while you do not know who the operator is?

Would it matter for you if this something would have a gambling license, or do you not care at all?

If you think the shady offshore "licensing" farms are going to do any sort of audit, you are very very wrong.

What is wrong with the impartial 9 month audit that was already done? https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games

...you know, the one that led to every major online sportsbook/casino to remove Betsoft games from their site?

So me asking you if they paid you to badmouth someone (which they've been caught doing in the past) is "crazy", but you accusing me of being a "multi-account" (which you've never proven anyone is) is not?  #onlybetcoinlogic

You've exposed who your master is.  Sad.

Cjmoles would be right if they hadn't lost their alderny license years ago.  Their curacao license is essentially worthless, arbitration is not an option.

Okay....Look, twitchyseal gave me negative trust first and I responded to his unwarranted accusations in kind.  Why would somebody have to pay me to defend myself?  So, the answer to your crazy fucking question is NO!....Nobody had to pay me to defend myself; furthermore, I am retired, have plenty of money, and have no need for handouts.  I sport Betcoin's signature because I believe in their product and I want to see them succeed.  Any stipend I get from wearing the Betcoin signature, I throw back at the tables to support the platform.  I'm not even sure if you are a separate entity from the other multi-accounters in this thread so it makes it difficult to assume your motivations.

Lutpin, I'll try to assume you don't grasp the full gravity of the Betsoft incident, it is much bigger than Betcoin, bitcoincointalk, or bitcoin.  They are a huge gaming platform provider, they are licensed, and they have jurisdictions where remedies for arbitration can be conducted.  If Betsoft is found to be rogue, then that will have an enormous impact on the entire industry.  As is stands, the incident with jason was resolved and they are continuing to pay.  However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.  As for the NDA, we have to respect that privacy.  We cannot assume that a lack of detail is evidence of wrong doing because that, in and of itself, is an unsound argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence).  Personally, I would be highly disappointed if Betsoft were found to be rogue because they provide some of the very best slot software in the industry but I would be the first to scream foul if their software continued to be offered after such a finding.

 However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.

I tried having a discussion with Betcoin, but the NDA by BetSoft preventing me from knowing any details about the jasonort incident doesn't really help any "rational discussion", does it?

I had responded and posted screenshots directly after your questions; however, trolls immediately took the screenshots I posted and began "photo shopping" and using the information I posted in a manipulative manner....therefore, I deleted my post.

The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it.  At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement.  I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic.  I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.