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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 30, 2024, 09:20:50 AM

No matter how you try to say it, we are still the only team with that record in the EPL. Any other team with a record of coming close doesn't count. Arsenal has come close to winning the EPL twice recently, but it still doesn't count as a trophy in our trophy room, as many would say.

Not trying to take anything away from it, just putting it out there that Chelsea finished the league with 5 points more the following season and that teams had better seasons than that one later as well.
Invincibles is meaningless for me, only thing that counts is trophies. And 100 points per season beats 90 any way you try to spin it.

I really liked that Arsenal team, I like this one too - so it isn't 'ooh you hate Arsenal'. Far from it.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 30, 2024, 09:20:50 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on July 29, 2024, 11:58:41 AM

If you tell Pep about about invincible, he will probably laugh since it will never happen again in the EPL; Liverpool was the only club that came close, but we all know how that ended. With VAR and all of the new football rules, it will be difficult for any club to achieve this presently. Grin

Don't say "never," because records are meant to be broken, not laughed at, and since it already happened in the Premier League, it will only take some time before another team does it again in the Premier League.

At least not in our generation - the chances of Arsenal winning an European trophy is better than any team going invincibles in Seria A or EPL again.

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No matter how you try to say it, we are still the only team with that record in the EPL. Any other team with a record of coming close doesn't count. Arsenal has come close to winning the EPL twice recently, but it still doesn't count as a trophy in our trophy room, as many would say.

True but the current Manchester city team would mood walk the Arsenal invincible team in a cold or hot weather anyday, anytime. ( We all agreed on this ..... Last time ) Grin

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 29, 2024, 11:58:41 AM

If you tell Pep about about invincible, he will probably laugh since it will never happen again in the EPL; Liverpool was the only club that came close, but we all know how that ended. With VAR and all of the new football rules, it will be difficult for any club to achieve this presently. Grin

Don't say "never," because records are meant to be broken, not laughed at, and since it already happened in the Premier League, it will only take some time before another team does it again in the Premier League.

Bayer Leverkusen did it last season in the Bundesliga—51 games unbeaten in a row in all competitions.
Celtic FC did it in the 2016–2017 season.
Juventus and AC Milan have done it in the Série A.
Ajax has also done it in the Dutch League.

Quote from: cryptofrka on July 29, 2024, 02:37:03 PM

Arsenal is the only 'Invincibles', yes, but that season was actually far from the record in points won.

No matter how you try to say it, we are still the only team with that record in the EPL. Any other team with a record of coming close doesn't count. Arsenal has come close to winning the EPL twice recently, but it still doesn't count as a trophy in our trophy room, as many would say.

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Quote from: icopress on July 29, 2024, 12:13:13 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on July 29, 2024, 11:58:41 AM

If you tell Pep about about invincible, he will probably laugh since it will never happen again in the EPL; Liverpool was the only club that came close, but we all know how that ended. With VAR and all of the new football rules, it will be difficult for any club to achieve this presently. Grin

If my memory serves me right, Arsenal were the only team that never lost a game in any season and scored the most points in the history of the Premier League

Yes, but I was referring to the only club ( Liverpool) who tried to do it in this new era - on the note it would be easier to do invincibles than breaking Chelsea 15 goals conceded in a season. Good old days man!!!!

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Quote from: icopress on July 29, 2024, 12:13:13 PM

If my memory serves me right, Arsenal were the only team that never lost a game in any season and scored the most points in the history of the Premier League

Arsenal is the only 'Invincibles', yes, but that season was actually far from the record in points won.
They had 12 draws and accumulated 90 points and were surpassed by City (100 and 98), Liverpool (99) and Chelsea(95).

2 teams came close to the Invincibles, both Liverpool and Chelsea had seasons with only 1 loss.

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 29, 2024, 11:58:41 AM

If you tell Pep about about invincible, he will probably laugh since it will never happen again in the EPL; Liverpool was the only club that came close, but we all know how that ended. With VAR and all of the new football rules, it will be difficult for any club to achieve this presently. Grin

If my memory serves me right, Arsenal were the only team that never lost a game in any season and scored the most points in the history of the Premier League

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 29, 2024, 11:44:42 AM

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A superb test for Enzo Ball and his side; those are the types of games we should be playing to put our strength to the test against some of Europe's bigger teams now that we're mediocre. We should have the entire team before those games; no excuses, we should give a good game, anything less is unacceptable.

Manchester City is the first game for Chelsea this season in the EPL; luckily for them, they will have a friendly game against them first, which will be good to prepare for the coming season.

Pep likes to break records, and in my head, I know Pep will have the eyes to break the Arsenal Invincibles record to win the Premier League without losing any games, and he will like to start from the very first game against Chelsea.

If you tell Pep about about invincible, he will probably laugh since it will never happen again in the EPL; Liverpool was the only club that came close, but we all know how that ended. With VAR and all of the new football rules, it will be difficult for any club to achieve this presently. Grin

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 29, 2024, 10:59:15 AM

A superb test for Enzo Ball and his side; those are the types of games we should be playing to put our strength to the test against some of Europe's bigger teams now that we're mediocre. We should have the entire team before those games; no excuses, we should give a good game, anything less is unacceptable.

Manchester City is the first game for Chelsea this season in the EPL; luckily for them, they will have a friendly game against them first, which will be good to prepare for the coming season.

Pep likes to break records, and in my head, I know Pep will have the eyes to break the Arsenal Invincibles record to win the Premier League without losing any games, and he will like to start from the very first game against Chelsea.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 28, 2024, 06:53:25 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on July 28, 2024, 08:27:06 AM

Losing because you're unlucky with goal opportunities is not the same as losing because you play shit; we're just playing shit, and nothing will change if the season starts anytime soon

Maresca looked frustrated from the game, like it just dawned on him the level of work he has to do to return Chelsea back to better day. I am not sure he expected that his team will concede that much goals.

Chelsea have to start well, and not try to chase other teams all season long.

When you're starting a new game plan with bunch of random kids with little experience it takes a lot to time and effort to get it working it's going to be a long season.

Quote from: cryptofrka on July 29, 2024, 02:10:40 AM

Still a long way to go before the start of the season but Chelsea's friendly game fixtures could have been arranged a bit better.

After a game against Club America they have City, Real and Inter. If they get hammered in all of them (which is a realistic possibility considering that they were against Celtic), it might ruin any confidence they planned to enter the season with.

They are the only team in the PL in which I cannot be sure in more than 4-5 players as starters. Such an unusual thing in football, especially on such a high level.

A superb test for Enzo Ball and his side; those are the types of games we should be playing to put our strength to the test against some of Europe's bigger teams now that we're mediocre. We should have the entire team before those games; no excuses, we should give a good game, anything less is unacceptable.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 29, 2024, 08:25:11 AM

OK so Chelski at least won't seem to have to deal with the weight of expectations now that roundly everyone seems to think they're hopeless. But is anyone else going to avoid Liverpool, United, maybe even City? It would seem to me the smartest choice this first game week is just to pick the cheapest players and wait the start of the season out.

Wait, what, am I playing FPL next season?!

Why would anybody avoid City next season? Unless you want to go Haaland-less again or something? But that never works out.

Salah too. He is quite dangerous and should be in everybody's squads for the opening GW.

ManU - a clown show. Now their new signings are getting injured. Absolutely ridiculous stuff.

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OK so Chelski at least won't seem to have to deal with the weight of expectations now that roundly everyone seems to think they're hopeless. But is anyone else going to avoid Liverpool, United, maybe even City? It would seem to me the smartest choice this first game week is just to pick the cheapest players and wait the start of the season out.

Wait, what, am I playing FPL next season?!

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Still a long way to go before the start of the season but Chelsea's friendly game fixtures could have been arranged a bit better.

After a game against Club America they have City, Real and Inter. If they get hammered in all of them (which is a realistic possibility considering that they were against Celtic), it might ruin any confidence they planned to enter the season with.

They are the only team in the PL in which I cannot be sure in more than 4-5 players as starters. Such an unusual thing in football, especially on such a high level.

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 28, 2024, 08:27:06 AM

Losing because you're unlucky with goal opportunities is not the same as losing because you play shit; we're just playing shit, and nothing will change if the season starts anytime soon

Maresca looked frustrated from the game, like it just dawned on him the level of work he has to do to return Chelsea back to better day. I am not sure he expected that his team will concede that much goals.

Chelsea have to start well, and not try to chase other teams all season long.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 28, 2024, 04:30:23 AM

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Preseason is basically irrelevant. Most of the top players are still on vacation or getting minor roles in the team.
It is used to build up fitness levels and not results, so whatever happens there should be ignored.

Maresca did well with Leicester, but they had the best squad in the league. Chelsea is a team set up to play in a different way, he seems a bit inexperienced for the job.
Same can be said about Slot, but Liverpool at least had a style of play and defined roles in the team. Chelsea has 40 players on the roster and nobody knows what to do and there's not a gameplan the players can lean on.

Exactly, preseason is not something that should be taken too seriously. It gives us some ideas, especially about lesser known players that could have bigger roles in the season but almost nothing about actual club form.

All the best players were on Euro and some are now on Olympics, they are at best just getting back to the club from holidays.

I'd want to point out that preseason form may have a significant impact on a team's morale and how they approach the season; I'm not sure about other teams, but Chelsea hasn't done well in three consecutive preseasons, which typically affects our early league games. We already have 90% of our first-team players playing in preseason, and I don't think the 10% who are still on vacation will alter anything if the other 90% are still struggling to adjust to the new game plan.

Losing because you're unlucky with goal opportunities is not the same as losing because you play shit; we're just playing shit, and nothing will change if the season starts anytime soon

Arsenal is the king of preseason, and they frequently carry their winning form into the season, which is why they consistently outperform any of the top six teams in the first 1-10 fixtures of each season.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on July 28, 2024, 04:04:35 AM

Preseason is basically irrelevant. Most of the top players are still on vacation or getting minor roles in the team.
It is used to build up fitness levels and not results, so whatever happens there should be ignored.

Maresca did well with Leicester, but they had the best squad in the league. Chelsea is a team set up to play in a different way, he seems a bit inexperienced for the job.
Same can be said about Slot, but Liverpool at least had a style of play and defined roles in the team. Chelsea has 40 players on the roster and nobody knows what to do and there's not a gameplan the players can lean on.

Exactly, preseason is not something that should be taken too seriously. It gives us some ideas, especially about lesser known players that could have bigger roles in the season but almost nothing about actual club form.

All the best players were on Euro and some are now on Olympics, they are at best just getting back to the club from holidays.

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Preseason is basically irrelevant. Most of the top players are still on vacation or getting minor roles in the team.
It is used to build up fitness levels and not results, so whatever happens there should be ignored.

Maresca did well with Leicester, but they had the best squad in the league. Chelsea is a team set up to play in a different way, he seems a bit inexperienced for the job.
Same can be said about Slot, but Liverpool at least had a style of play and defined roles in the team. Chelsea has 40 players on the roster and nobody knows what to do and there's not a gameplan the players can lean on.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 27, 2024, 06:40:59 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on July 24, 2024, 12:22:31 PM

Hey we still have chilwell and Sterling in the team.

Did you see Chelsea's pre season game against Celtic? It was a pre season game but at least gives an idea of the progress the coach has made with the team. From the result of the game, where Chelsea conceded four goals, it is not good looking for Chelsea's new coach, and shows he still has a lot of work to do in the team.

Whatever Enzo Maresca is doing with Chelsea, he has to do it quickly, their first EPL game next season is against Manchester City.

Did you follow Chelsea's preseason matches last season ? If you did, I'm sure you'll take whatever you saw from them in this preseason with a pinch of salt, they were quite superb in the preseason last year and the opposite during the season, maybe this could be an inverse to what happened last season. I'd just rather wait for the regular season to begin and see what they actually have in store.

Not to take away anything away for the new coach's effort, because I didn't watch the game though, so my opinion could be bias and of extreme ignorance, but the season is the only way to find out for sure.

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 24, 2024, 12:22:31 PM

Hey we still have chilwell and Sterling in the team.

Did you see Chelsea's pre season game against Celtic? It was a pre season game but at least gives an idea of the progress the coach has made with the team. From the result of the game, where Chelsea conceded four goals, it is not good looking for Chelsea's new coach, and shows he still has a lot of work to do in the team.

Whatever Enzo Maresca is doing with Chelsea, he has to do it quickly, their first EPL game next season is against Manchester City.

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I fully hate this team hahah. Any sidebets? Grin

You literally stole the words out of my mouth!

I don't know how that team would fare for the long run, I guess I'll bookmark this post and check the total points accumulated by each player here come the end of the season, I already have a good estimate for the like of TAA, Robertson, Salah and Haaland, but as for those differentials, meeh! There are plethora of better options imo, but then also my opinion is why I'm never doing too well here, right Grin

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