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Quote from: Betwrong on April 01, 2023, 11:02:21 AM

Quote from: nullama on March 25, 2023, 06:07:02 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 25, 2023, 09:05:16 AM

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In purely luck-based games(like the game in the OP, btw) it doesn't matter whether your emotions envolved, or it's "rational" judgment or a clouded one. It all depends on luck. Period.

A small correction. The above statement is true if you want to earn money through gambling. If your goal is to have fun, then, of course, it is more rational to not bet all your balance at once, but make smaller bets to last longer.

Yeah, it's all just luck, but you can help your luck by playing games that have more probabilities of you winning than others.

It's all math in the end, luck can be helped with it.

Although technically true, in reality this way of thinking doesn't help you much, to be honest. And that is so because when playing a game with 99% RTP instead of 96% RTP you are not guaranteed to win anything. What you are guaranteed it to lose less in the long run. And that "run" is very long. It is so long that it may never happen.

[Ieft]agree with your argument that almost all types of games in this gambling are based on luck and there is no guarantee of winning. Even RTP is only to reduce losses that are too big and can last longer in the game but in the end if you are not lucky and last longer in gambling you will only end up losing.
Maybe some gamblers think that choosing games that have a higher chance of winning, such as sports betting, is better, but in reality, if you are not lucky, you will also lose.
Gambling remains a base of luck, that's for sure.[/left]

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 31, 2023, 11:40:26 AM

Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on March 19, 2023, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on March 19, 2023, 12:30:48 PM

Strategy doesn’t affect luck because it’s a complete random and no one can determine or measure luck scientifically. Strategy can make you last longer since you can manager your bank roll properly and staying longer in the game will gave more chance to be exposed on luck but take note that house edge is taking effect more that will put you in advantage.

Hitting a beginners luck and quit immediately to take profit is the best thing to do. Strategy is just a way to have a better exposure on luck but it doesn’t increase your luck to win frequently.

I agree since there is no scientific method that would explain how luck works. Personally, I see luck as a mindset that we embedded on ourselves in seeing the outcomes of anything. We set our minds that when it goes on our way, it is due to luck, when it can be seen as completely random event. Yes, as you go on being exposed to the betting activity, I think strategy can be used but at the end it would just rely on the randomness of it. I agree that it wont make you have a higher chance on winning since it is still random.

Yes, well I don't have a very clear concept of luck either, even though it is said that a person can be very lucky for X thing, however we as players know some concepts of random factors, but it could be that influence something else that is what keeps people hopeful, besides the strategies is what keeps many players active in the games, and gives them even more hope of winning, because seeing Hope + Luck is something that can be very encouraging and maybe it seems to me that it is not something so bad.

If you are lucky and you are using a system that helps to add confidence with your gambling the chance of winning huge can happen, as long as you are good in limiting yourself and following your set goals, the quicker you act with your winnings the better you can withdraw a good amount of profits.

Sometimes or most of the time greed also influences instead of using your luck you missed the opportunities by keeping pushing for more.

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Quote from: nullama on March 25, 2023, 06:07:02 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 25, 2023, 09:05:16 AM

~snip~
In purely luck-based games(like the game in the OP, btw) it doesn't matter whether your emotions envolved, or it's "rational" judgment or a clouded one. It all depends on luck. Period.

A small correction. The above statement is true if you want to earn money through gambling. If your goal is to have fun, then, of course, it is more rational to not bet all your balance at once, but make smaller bets to last longer.

Yeah, it's all just luck, but you can help your luck by playing games that have more probabilities of you winning than others.

It's all math in the end, luck can be helped with it.

Although technically true, in reality this way of thinking doesn't help you much, to be honest. And that is so because when playing a game with 99% RTP instead of 96% RTP you are not guaranteed to win anything. What you are guaranteed it to lose less in the long run. And that "run" is very long. It is so long that it may never happen.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on March 19, 2023, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on March 19, 2023, 12:30:48 PM

Strategy doesn’t affect luck because it’s a complete random and no one can determine or measure luck scientifically. Strategy can make you last longer since you can manager your bank roll properly and staying longer in the game will gave more chance to be exposed on luck but take note that house edge is taking effect more that will put you in advantage.

Hitting a beginners luck and quit immediately to take profit is the best thing to do. Strategy is just a way to have a better exposure on luck but it doesn’t increase your luck to win frequently.

I agree since there is no scientific method that would explain how luck works. Personally, I see luck as a mindset that we embedded on ourselves in seeing the outcomes of anything. We set our minds that when it goes on our way, it is due to luck, when it can be seen as completely random event. Yes, as you go on being exposed to the betting activity, I think strategy can be used but at the end it would just rely on the randomness of it. I agree that it wont make you have a higher chance on winning since it is still random.

Yes, well I don't have a very clear concept of luck either, even though it is said that a person can be very lucky for X thing, however we as players know some concepts of random factors, but it could be that influence something else that is what keeps people hopeful, besides the strategies is what keeps many players active in the games, and gives them even more hope of winning, because seeing Hope + Luck is something that can be very encouraging and maybe it seems to me that it is not something so bad.

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Quote from: maydna on March 28, 2023, 03:14:12 AM

That's what I mean so that we are playing honestly at the casino because the casino must have predicted that some people would cheat to get certain bonuses. Casinos will always update their systems so that those who want to penetrate their securities can be deterred or cannot abuse these bonuses. The casino has provided a place to play gambling and we should also be able to protect ourselves so that we don't get involved in any problems rather than our account being blocked by the casino.

If only an ordinary gambler, would not be able to beat the system created by the casino so that there are no mistakes or fraud committed by some irresponsible customers who abuse bonuses for their personal gain.
There are cases of bonus abuse in any casino but the casino can always handle every case and give punishments such as freezing or even worse banning accounts that commit fraud.
My advice to anyone, don't ever think about abusing bonuses because it will only get you entangled in a problem that is quite detrimental.
Always be a wise gambler and obey all the rules and policies of the casino so you can play in the casino with a sense of comfort.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on March 28, 2023, 04:53:55 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2023, 01:23:46 PM

Remember that casino system has been test before it launches to be use by gamers, they know or they can detect if gamblers are abusing the system or if they've got exploit or any suspicious actions that being take against them, you don't want to see your account being blocked so better to play with enjoyment and not to think of anything that may harm your account.

You need to take care of your bankrolls and make sure that you can limit yourself when playing to avoid losing a huge amount.

It's good that you have suggested something good.
Casinos will do this so that there are no cheating gamblers who make them suffer losses.
Only stupid gamblers cheat when playing at casinos because it's the same as gamblers handing over their accounts to be blocked and their money will be frozen and can't be returned.
Gamblers have to do a lot of consideration if they are going to cheat.
It's better to be a neutral gambler, play according to ability and follow all the existing rules than to get into a big, complicated problem later on.

He gave two advices there. One is for the fair players and one is for those who attempt to do an abuse. Although the advice seems basic and some of us are already aware with it, it was still helpful for those who are new in this industry. Casino is a profitable business because they have an advantage over the players but it's possible for them to lose if there are leechers lying around, taking their money without them knowing it.

Abusive gamblers are not stupid because they don't deposit their own money to do an abuse but they are only using the in house money (e.g faucet, welcome bonus and others). If the attempt is unsuccessful, it will be easy for them to move on.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2023, 01:23:46 PM

Remember that casino system has been test before it launches to be use by gamers, they know or they can detect if gamblers are abusing the system or if they've got exploit or any suspicious actions that being take against them, you don't want to see your account being blocked so better to play with enjoyment and not to think of anything that may harm your account.

You need to take care of your bankrolls and make sure that you can limit yourself when playing to avoid losing a huge amount.

It's good that you have suggested something good.
Casinos will do this so that there are no cheating gamblers who make them suffer losses.
Only stupid gamblers cheat when playing at casinos because it's the same as gamblers handing over their accounts to be blocked and their money will be frozen and can't be returned.
Gamblers have to do a lot of consideration if they are going to cheat.
It's better to be a neutral gambler, play according to ability and follow all the existing rules than to get into a big, complicated problem later on.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 26, 2023, 01:23:46 PM

Remember that casino system has been test before it launches to be use by gamers, they know or they can detect if gamblers are abusing the system or if they've got exploit or any suspicious actions that being take against them, you don't want to see your account being blocked so better to play with enjoyment and not to think of anything that may harm your account.

You need to take care of your bankrolls and make sure that you can limit yourself when playing to avoid losing a huge amount.

That's what I mean so that we are playing honestly at the casino because the casino must have predicted that some people would cheat to get certain bonuses. Casinos will always update their systems so that those who want to penetrate their securities can be deterred or cannot abuse these bonuses. The casino has provided a place to play gambling and we should also be able to protect ourselves so that we don't get involved in any problems rather than our account being blocked by the casino.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 12, 2023, 09:13:39 AM

I can agree to that opinions, if you allocate money to use with your entertainment and you choose to gamble to be entertained then it's going to be okay if you lose your money, though if you are betting and your intentions is to double or more your initial capital then the chance of being aggressive will always be there with you.

Unless you have good limitations with your bankroll and you know how to stop when you needed to stop, then the chance
is good that you will be able to manifest with some strategy that you will going to use.

Well if you Look at us as players we will always be very independent with respect to our decisions , when we play we do things like take risks or simply save ourselves to play it safe, which is not bad, it seems prudent to me and not motivating to be shame, it is an act of great intelligence. If in a casino we have an amount Of money willing to lose it is a good thing, because it is Known that we are not going to overextend ourselves in Expenses, just as we control ourselves to spend on certain things, even more so in the game that Discipline must Prevail, because casinos do not force, we are the ones who Decide how to play.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 25, 2023, 11:11:08 AM

Players shouldn't really try to cheat in any form just so they could take advantage of the casinos benefit whether if it's a vulnerability or not. But of course, not everyone has the same moral compass so we could only remind them about the repercussions of cheating.

Cheating on a casino or any gambling platforms is considered a grave offense. Most of the time this is already stated in their TOS and the punishment is will depend on what they deem necessary such as suspension of banning of the account. In an instance it is proven that a player cheated, they can no longer access their account nor make any transaction on it to recover what's left. Hence, it should be an enough warning to everyone.

No one should be cheating, either in casino or generally in life, but the same rule should apply to both sides, not only to players. I think too many players are too tolerant of some shady and dishonest practices by some gambling site operators (or maybe even to a bigger degree - physical casinos), i.e. banning people without stating any reason or offering games with absolutely no information on the house edge etc. Not to mention they would often resort to psychological tricks to make games more addictive or to get the players drunk with free drinks, which says a lot about how immoral they can get.

Remember - they need you way more than you need them, and, for most players, getting banned by a casino could actually be a good thing.

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Quote from: maydna on March 26, 2023, 08:05:27 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on March 25, 2023, 11:11:08 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 25, 2023, 05:06:27 AM

Never think about cheating at gambling because it will turn on us. And our losses can be much more than what we get through that cheating. And even though we lost a few dollars on the game but didn't cheat, the loss wouldn't be big because if the casinos found out about what we were cheating, they could just block our accounts. And don't ever chase or recover losses we've earned because that will be difficult. It's better for us to play as usual and enjoy gambling.

This should be a common knowledge.

Players shouldn't really try to cheat in any form just so they could take advantage of the casinos benefit whether if it's a vulnerability or not. But of course, not everyone has the same moral compass so we could only remind them about the repercussions of cheating.

Cheating on a casino or any gambling platforms is considered a grave offense. Most of the time this is already stated in their TOS and the punishment is will depend on what they deem necessary such as suspension of banning of the account. In an instance it is proven that a player cheated, they can no longer access their account nor make any transaction on it to recover what's left. Hence, it should be an enough warning to everyone.

We only need to play honestly, not carry out activities that could make the casino suspicious. We don't want to see our account get suspended or blocked from the casino so it will disturb our gambling time. But if we are bored with the casino, we can move to another casino that might satisfy us. Talking about morals, many people still don't think about this, so we have to be able to take good care of ourselves while playing gambling.

Remember that casino system has been test before it launches to be use by gamers, they know or they can detect if gamblers are abusing the system or if they've got exploit or any suspicious actions that being take against them, you don't want to see your account being blocked so better to play with enjoyment and not to think of anything that may harm your account.

You need to take care of your bankrolls and make sure that you can limit yourself when playing to avoid losing a huge amount.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 25, 2023, 11:11:08 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 25, 2023, 05:06:27 AM

Never think about cheating at gambling because it will turn on us. And our losses can be much more than what we get through that cheating. And even though we lost a few dollars on the game but didn't cheat, the loss wouldn't be big because if the casinos found out about what we were cheating, they could just block our accounts. And don't ever chase or recover losses we've earned because that will be difficult. It's better for us to play as usual and enjoy gambling.

This should be a common knowledge.

Players shouldn't really try to cheat in any form just so they could take advantage of the casinos benefit whether if it's a vulnerability or not. But of course, not everyone has the same moral compass so we could only remind them about the repercussions of cheating.

Cheating on a casino or any gambling platforms is considered a grave offense. Most of the time this is already stated in their TOS and the punishment is will depend on what they deem necessary such as suspension of banning of the account. In an instance it is proven that a player cheated, they can no longer access their account nor make any transaction on it to recover what's left. Hence, it should be an enough warning to everyone.

We only need to play honestly, not carry out activities that could make the casino suspicious. We don't want to see our account get suspended or blocked from the casino so it will disturb our gambling time. But if we are bored with the casino, we can move to another casino that might satisfy us. Talking about morals, many people still don't think about this, so we have to be able to take good care of ourselves while playing gambling.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 25, 2023, 09:05:16 AM

~snip~
In purely luck-based games(like the game in the OP, btw) it doesn't matter whether your emotions envolved, or it's "rational" judgment or a clouded one. It all depends on luck. Period.

A small correction. The above statement is true if you want to earn money through gambling. If your goal is to have fun, then, of course, it is more rational to not bet all your balance at once, but make smaller bets to last longer.

Yeah, it's all just luck, but you can help your luck by playing games that have more probabilities of you winning than others.

It's all math in the end, luck can be helped with it.

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Quote from: maydna on March 25, 2023, 05:06:27 AM

Never think about cheating at gambling because it will turn on us. And our losses can be much more than what we get through that cheating. And even though we lost a few dollars on the game but didn't cheat, the loss wouldn't be big because if the casinos found out about what we were cheating, they could just block our accounts. And don't ever chase or recover losses we've earned because that will be difficult. It's better for us to play as usual and enjoy gambling.

This should be a common knowledge.

Players shouldn't really try to cheat in any form just so they could take advantage of the casinos benefit whether if it's a vulnerability or not. But of course, not everyone has the same moral compass so we could only remind them about the repercussions of cheating.

Cheating on a casino or any gambling platforms is considered a grave offense. Most of the time this is already stated in their TOS and the punishment is will depend on what they deem necessary such as suspension of banning of the account. In an instance it is proven that a player cheated, they can no longer access their account nor make any transaction on it to recover what's left. Hence, it should be an enough warning to everyone.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 22, 2023, 09:05:13 AM

~ Setting aside your emotions will be crucial to make or break a bet. So gamblers must do all of their best to not involve their emotions just so they could have a rational judgment and not a clouded one.

In purely luck-based games(like the game in the OP, btw) it doesn't matter whether your emotions envolved, or it's "rational" judgment or a clouded one. It all depends on luck. Period.

A small correction. The above statement is true if you want to earn money through gambling. If your goal is to have fun, then, of course, it is more rational to not bet all your balance at once, but make smaller bets to last longer.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on March 25, 2023, 12:15:03 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 23, 2023, 11:43:00 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 23, 2023, 08:02:25 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 23, 2023, 02:37:44 AM

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Yeah, learn it if you want to win some and to control or manage your losses I can agree that if you can learn it from the process it's not just only for entertainment but it might bring some good chance that you can also win from this field, no guarantee but you need to work on it and make yourself comfortable with every strategy that you will use, taking chances to limit your losses and maybe aim for some money to win away from the house.

Even though the chance for us to win is always there, we cannot expect it to help us win because of the unlucky factor. And there is no guarantee of winning. That makes us know not to try to chase that victory. After all, we've seen plenty of examples around us of people trying to take those chances to win. Instead of being able to get that opportunity, they even suffered a bigger loss than before. If they can limit their money to gambling, they will not have that problem and can still play another day.

And so some gamblers think about cheating just to win over the house because no matter what we do, we will somehow win but lose more. If we can just record our winnings compared to the amount we lose, we can see that huge gap but doesn't really matter as long as we make fun of it. Yes, chasing our losses should not be on our minds because this will only lead to losing more. Desperation will somewhat give us no help instead, this could even compromise our decisions and gambling behavior which in the later part it give us regrets.

Never think about cheating at gambling because it will turn on us. And our losses can be much more than what we get through that cheating. And even though we lost a few dollars on the game but didn't cheat, the loss wouldn't be big because if the casinos found out about what we were cheating, they could just block our accounts. And don't ever chase or recover losses we've earned because that will be difficult. It's better for us to play as usual and enjoy gambling.

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Quote from: nullama on March 24, 2023, 11:45:56 PM

Quote from: Webetcoins on March 24, 2023, 08:19:53 AM

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You can bring in as many examples as you can, and explain them with screenshots showing how people suffered extreme losses due to excessive gambling but there will still be people who will ignore all that and continue doing what they wish to do, and in this case, it's gambling until they are out of money at the end.

Some people don't care about what math says or that they have a disadvantage over the house and even if they win some bets, if they continue to gamble, their wins will eventually be turned into losses, but they will only understand once they suffer from it themselves.

You're probably right, I guess that's what keeps casinos businesses as huge as they are.

The main reason for this is that even though the gambling business favors the houses, the gamblers will still be willing to try their luck. They do not care if they lose the bet or games because they know that if they can win a few big games and bets with higher odds they will not only recover their loses but at the same time they can be in overall profit.

People are greedy and they wish they can get jackpots and gambling houses take advantage of their greediness. Also people do not care to do all the maths, they are only concerned with their win and loses. In most case, they don't care if the probability of win is low , they will still try their luck.

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Quote from: nullama on March 24, 2023, 11:45:56 PM

Quote from: Webetcoins on March 24, 2023, 08:19:53 AM

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You can bring in as many examples as you can, and explain them with screenshots showing how people suffered extreme losses due to excessive gambling but there will still be people who will ignore all that and continue doing what they wish to do, and in this case, it's gambling until they are out of money at the end.

Some people don't care about what math says or that they have a disadvantage over the house and even if they win some bets, if they continue to gamble, their wins will eventually be turned into losses, but they will only understand once they suffer from it themselves.

You're probably right, I guess that's what keeps casinos businesses as huge as they are.

gambling addiction, that is why a person keeps on gambling even though he has been told bad things when he continues to gamble and in the end the gambling addict will stop if he really loses all the money and valuables he has.
gambling addicts find it very difficult to stop betting because they have a desperate nature but have a high emotional spirit when they dare to take risks to continuously pursue their defeats in gambling and the consequences will be very bad if a gambling addict has lost everything he has. . but still looking for a way to still be able to bet.

indeed, whatever strategy and no matter how clever a person is in strategizing for gambling, in the end that person will lose and the casino always wins and has survived to this day.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on March 24, 2023, 08:19:53 AM

Some people don't care about what math says or that they have a disadvantage over the house and even if they win some bets, if they continue to gamble, their wins will eventually be turned into losses, but they will only understand once they suffer from it themselves.

This happens because gamblers already have the belief that they can get even bigger wins and unknowingly they have exceeded the limit when gambling.
Winning one or two times in several games is enough if the gambler is able to control himself so that there are no thoughts of chasing bigger wins.
I am amazed at gamblers who say they can make a lot of money from gambling and get lots of wins without any loss at all. How can they say something like that?
Gambling does not fully benefit if you want to calculate it in the total amount that is lost and that is generated.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on March 25, 2023, 12:15:03 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 23, 2023, 11:43:00 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 23, 2023, 08:02:25 AM

Quote from: maydna on March 23, 2023, 02:37:44 AM

~snip~

Yeah, learn it if you want to win some and to control or manage your losses I can agree that if you can learn it from the process it's not just only for entertainment but it might bring some good chance that you can also win from this field, no guarantee but you need to work on it and make yourself comfortable with every strategy that you will use, taking chances to limit your losses and maybe aim for some money to win away from the house.

Even though the chance for us to win is always there, we cannot expect it to help us win because of the unlucky factor. And there is no guarantee of winning. That makes us know not to try to chase that victory. After all, we've seen plenty of examples around us of people trying to take those chances to win. Instead of being able to get that opportunity, they even suffered a bigger loss than before. If they can limit their money to gambling, they will not have that problem and can still play another day.

And so some gamblers think about cheating just to win over the house because no matter what we do, we will somehow win but lose more. If we can just record our winnings compared to the amount we lose, we can see that huge gap but doesn't really matter as long as we make fun of it. Yes, chasing our losses should not be on our minds because this will only lead to losing more. Desperation will somewhat give us no help instead, this could even compromise our decisions and gambling behavior which in the later part it give us regrets.

Yeah as long as the entertainment factor is being achieved and you don't lose a huge chunk of your savings personally that's still okay but if you are losing a lot and control is no longer in your side, best to do some analysis since you really risking your savings, gambling can be fun when winning but once the losing streak is moving against you,

it can trigger a lot inside your mindset, to the point that you will push yourself to try recovering all your losses.

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