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Quote from: nullama on February 27, 2023, 05:33:11 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on February 27, 2023, 04:49:37 AM

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The thing is that for many people, myself included, gambling without earning anything significant, or even losing a bit of your money, is not wasting of time. We use gambling for entertainment and relaxation, not for income generation. Hence the formula: the longer you last with the money allocated for gambling the better.

It's not always like that, of course. Every gambler knows that there are times when you can't stop, and you keep betting, and you feel exhausted in the end, and some money lost on top of that, and stuff. But with those gambling for fun this happens much less often than with those playing for profit.

There is a difference between games and gambling though...

The element of potential winning a lot of money is a huge element of gambling, that is not present in games in general.

Gaming is probably even more popular than gambling, but it still generates less revenue for the companies, because a gambler can lose so much more money in the same amount of time than a gamer.

We weren't talking about gaming, though.

We discuss here gambling, right? Global video game market is actually larger than gambling market, but let's drop it, because it's out of topic entirely. Let's at least stick with gambling here, ok? Speaking of which, no, it's not a valid argument that "gambler can lose so much more money in the same amount of time than a gamer". Gambler can win a lot too, right? Casinos get their revenue from the house edge, not from what this or that gambler loses.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 03, 2023, 05:21:57 AM

Strategies are nothing when you got no luck, most especially in slot games that are purely luck driven. So even if you make use of potential strategies in gambling, that won’t still work as gambling outcome rely mostly on luck. However, with this betting strategy shared by OP, i can say it’s really tempting to bet but if you keep on betting and chase bigger profits, probably that will only cause you to lose bigger amount of money instead of making it big in gambling.

If we are talking about the slot game, I don't think so that any strategy could work in this game but maybe there are some gamblers who formulated their own strategy and try to use it here. There are times where a co-incident happen and they will win their bets and they will have a false thinking that it is because of their strategy that made them a winner.

If only they do it on other luck based game like dice then maybe it will made sense since there are also different strategies created already and there are also bots which can allow scripts. If we think that our strategy or the strategy we tried from someone else have worked, we should not abuse it because losing will still be inevitable.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on February 16, 2023, 07:00:50 AM

The same way of strategy as the lotto is that there's a higher chance of winning so if you have the time to risk with this kind of game because of the higher chance of a return for sure you'll grab the opportunity but of course not all the time it works with the different person still ideal if you manage the risk on yourself. For me Martingale is not ideal too and as a gambler it just double and increase the number and amount of losses.

Talking about the example you made with the lottery games, it's less risky but the chance of winning is very low, I've seen many people having multiple attempts upon years without being lucky to win, sometimes we need to think extensively and come up with a new approach and such idea may influence having a new or entirely different result from what we have been having in the past, we just need a change in strategies.

Haha. I met people who played the lottery all their lives, but never won.

To be honest I do not understand these people because the chances of winning is so small that I do not even want to try their luck. I personally would rather play slots or bet on a soccer match and watch it online. Unlike the lottery, slots or betting on sports are fun for me.

Well, it's a great point, what you're talking about is true, at the level of probabilities and statistics it points very well to what you say, perhaps the best probabilities are in sports betting that are more focused on giving results based on what is it has knowledge and not only luck, and with respect to slot machines they can give you a lot of money if you know how to play, because we could also lose a lot of money there, games of chance are designed to have fun but not so much for us to win, That is something that is known, however, many of us play with the intention of winning.

Weighting the chances of winning, in sports betting you can do hard research and analyze past performances of each player or teams that you are aiming to bet with, while with how you describe luck base casino games, the chances of winning is lesser than a chance of winning because you are mostly leaning with luck.

It's understandable that those gamblers who are aiming to win using a luck base games are doing also their research, trying to find the best strategy to win and avoid losing more money.

But the common factors between is always Luck with it beside you your chance of winning is really high.

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Quote from: masulum on February 28, 2023, 09:50:43 AM

For me there is no strategy whatsoever that can be done to play slots, because its works by the machine, not our brains. We only bet, the rest is machines or programs (online slots).

it's true that in slot games we are the same as playing against a machine that has been set in such a way and we only need to press the spin button without using any strategy.
as far as I know, slot strategy or what is commonly called a slot game pattern is like a myth and it won't be of any use if we're unlucky. I mean the slot machine has been set at what round it will usually bring up free spins or a large multiplier will appear. but depending on how much capital we survive to get to that round.
but the real fact is that if we spend too long in slot games it will make us lose and that is what I mean by slot machines that have been set will continue to win and we will lose.

I've heard people saying they've tried the strategy or pattern in slots to get a high multiplier or free bonuses, and it's not actually always the same way. It comes at different intervals between the spins, sometimes quicker and sometimes later but what that proves is that there is basically no confirmed pattern to that be followed to get guaranteed profit since at the end of the day, it's gambling it's all based on luck.

People say that it sometimes occurs after 100 spins, sometimes after 200, and sometimes even within the first 50 spins, or at times not even after 200. So we should keep in mind not keep any target of spins in mind when playing slots but should just play and enjoy while we can, and if we get lucky, we will get our multiplier within our budget.

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Quote from: madnessteat on February 17, 2023, 11:35:18 AM

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Quote from: Peanutswar on February 16, 2023, 07:00:50 AM

The same way of strategy as the lotto is that there's a higher chance of winning so if you have the time to risk with this kind of game because of the higher chance of a return for sure you'll grab the opportunity but of course not all the time it works with the different person still ideal if you manage the risk on yourself. For me Martingale is not ideal too and as a gambler it just double and increase the number and amount of losses.

Talking about the example you made with the lottery games, it's less risky but the chance of winning is very low, I've seen many people having multiple attempts upon years without being lucky to win, sometimes we need to think extensively and come up with a new approach and such idea may influence having a new or entirely different result from what we have been having in the past, we just need a change in strategies.

Haha. I met people who played the lottery all their lives, but never won.

To be honest I do not understand these people because the chances of winning is so small that I do not even want to try their luck. I personally would rather play slots or bet on a soccer match and watch it online. Unlike the lottery, slots or betting on sports are fun for me.

Well, it's a great point, what you're talking about is true, at the level of probabilities and statistics it points very well to what you say, perhaps the best probabilities are in sports betting that are more focused on giving results based on what is it has knowledge and not only luck, and with respect to slot machines they can give you a lot of money if you know how to play, because we could also lose a lot of money there, games of chance are designed to have fun but not so much for us to win, That is something that is known, however, many of us play with the intention of winning.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 04, 2023, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: minime0105 on March 03, 2023, 05:21:14 PM

Bettors has to keep record of success made so far by them in betting such records will motivate such individual to continue that's if success is recorded also they should keep records of loss made this will make them to choose which way to follow is either to quit or continue but is good to note that this approach is not applicable to an addict whose purpose for betting is to satisfy him or herself urge.

Even if i don't record my wins and losses for sure i do have more loses so i won't be recording it as it can't motivate my self since i do gamble for fun. I am just amazed on those people who are recording their winning and losses as they keep tracking on their expenses it is like trading journal. I am really lazy on doing this but it is really nice to have records on this as you can check it time to time.

For some reasons, it is quite good if you still have the record of your past transactions because for me it makes me motivated, motivated in a way that I will not do the same thing again in order for me not to lose in a row, it is really very hard to track it at first but since I am tracking all my expenses such as for trading, gambling and savings I am making my own records in excel.

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Quote from: dezoel on March 03, 2023, 05:56:50 AM

But I believe that it's important for individuals to make a concerted effort to keep track of their gambling results because it can provide valuable insights into their overall profitability and help them make better decisions about their gambling activity.

The sad reality is that gambling itself is generally a bad decision, as the house always wins in the end. So, at least for the vast majority, the best "decisions about their gambling activity" would be just to stop playing.

I mean if the goal was to make money, you wouldn't exactly be in casinos. Heck sports bets are probably better in comparison to casinos if you want to make any money related to gambling. Though for those that do gamble, I believe insights would only help in sports gambling in the long run, generally you wouldn't need to bother when it comes to casino types of games. Kinda agree really with the idea of the best decision being to just not gamble at all.

But some people use casinos as a place to make money, and some can actually earn money. Sports betting can be an option to make money but it depends on their ability to get information about the teams that will compete. And if they focus on improving their ability to strategize in sports betting, there is a possibility that they can get bigger wins than other people. But we also have to remember that the house will always win.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 04, 2023, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: minime0105 on March 03, 2023, 05:21:14 PM

Bettors has to keep record of success made so far by them in betting such records will motivate such individual to continue that's if success is recorded also they should keep records of loss made this will make them to choose which way to follow is either to quit or continue but is good to note that this approach is not applicable to an addict whose purpose for betting is to satisfy him or herself urge.

Even if i don't record my wins and losses for sure i do have more loses so i won't be recording it as it can't motivate my self since i do gamble for fun. I am just amazed on those people who are recording their winning and losses as they keep tracking on their expenses it is like trading journal. I am really lazy on doing this but it is really nice to have records on this as you can check it time to time.

Yes, keeping records mostly has to do with winning as well, because what's the essence of what you keep that had no value to you or you can't take as a reference to others, there are games we will play and win a very huge amount of money in return, this kind can be achive down for record purpose while the casinos also should have their own records as well on every winning or loosing categories, because at the end, keeping records does not increase your winning ability if you did not play well when you're gambling, to some it even got them depressed.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on March 03, 2023, 04:29:12 PM

Quote from: dezoel on March 03, 2023, 05:56:50 AM

But I believe that it's important for individuals to make a concerted effort to keep track of their gambling results because it can provide valuable insights into their overall profitability and help them make better decisions about their gambling activity.

The sad reality is that gambling itself is generally a bad decision, as the house always wins in the end. So, at least for the vast majority, the best "decisions about their gambling activity" would be just to stop playing.

I mean if the goal was to make money, you wouldn't exactly be in casinos. Heck sports bets are probably better in comparison to casinos if you want to make any money related to gambling. Though for those that do gamble, I believe insights would only help in sports gambling in the long run, generally you wouldn't need to bother when it comes to casino types of games. Kinda agree really with the idea of the best decision being to just not gamble at all.

Quote from: pawel7777 on March 04, 2023, 06:35:39 AM

True, but people are not necessarily creatures of logic, and often times emotions take control over our actions. One downside of keeping a win/loss record is, that it can cause some to play more aggressively (then they otherwise would) if they find themselves in a net loss position. There's a flaw (or maybe a feature) in human psychology that makes us really uncomfortable with losing, to the point that we would take stupid and risky actions just to win something back, rather than just accept it, let it go, and move on.

Impulsive actions brought about by us being able to actually do said actions, but unable to stand the possible repercussions. After all, the result often only causes problems later on down the line and not really at the heat of the moment. I'd actually hope for casinos to get a statistic of how much players usually play and after x amount (the amount that they deem to be worth of note), the casino would lock the account down to let the player cooldown. Could be an optional thing but I'd much rather be a forced thing.

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Quote from: minime0105 on March 03, 2023, 05:21:14 PM

Bettors has to keep record of success made so far by them in betting such records will motivate such individual to continue that's if success is recorded also they should keep records of loss made this will make them to choose which way to follow is either to quit or continue but is good to note that this approach is not applicable to an addict whose purpose for betting is to satisfy him or herself urge.

True, but people are not necessarily creatures of logic, and often times emotions take control over our actions. One downside of keeping a win/loss record is, that it can cause some to play more aggressively (then they otherwise would) if they find themselves in a net loss position. There's a flaw (or maybe a feature) in human psychology that makes us really uncomfortable with losing, to the point that we would take stupid and risky actions just to win something back, rather than just accept it, let it go, and move on.

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Quote from: minime0105 on March 03, 2023, 05:21:14 PM

Bettors has to keep record of success made so far by them in betting such records will motivate such individual to continue that's if success is recorded also they should keep records of loss made this will make them to choose which way to follow is either to quit or continue but is good to note that this approach is not applicable to an addict whose purpose for betting is to satisfy him or herself urge.

Even if i don't record my wins and losses for sure i do have more loses so i won't be recording it as it can't motivate my self since i do gamble for fun. I am just amazed on those people who are recording their winning and losses as they keep tracking on their expenses it is like trading journal. I am really lazy on doing this but it is really nice to have records on this as you can check it time to time.

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Quote from: minime0105 on March 03, 2023, 05:21:14 PM

Bettors has to keep record of success made so far by them in betting such records will motivate such individual to continue that's if success is recorded also they should keep records of loss made this will make them to choose which way to follow is either to quit or continue but is good to note that this approach is not applicable to an addict whose purpose for betting is to satisfy him or herself urge.

Good to note regarding to gambler who already lose control with their gambling habits, addicted gamblers will not take any consideration of how much they already lose when playing same goes if they are winning as they will continue to play till they lose everything back, but considering your opinion, with a good track of both your win and lose you will be able to justify what will be your next step.

If you keep on losing money after trying different strategy, it's better to quit and stop to avoid losing more while if you are on the winning track, it's good to keep trying to enhance your strategy to have better outcome.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on March 03, 2023, 04:29:12 PM

Quote from: dezoel on March 03, 2023, 05:56:50 AM

But I believe that it's important for individuals to make a concerted effort to keep track of their gambling results because it can provide valuable insights into their overall profitability and help them make better decisions about their gambling activity.

The sad reality is that gambling itself is generally a bad decision, as the house always wins in the end. So, at least for the vast majority, the best "decisions about their gambling activity" would be just to stop playing.

I agree with you about this --it is true that gambling is a risky activity that can lead to financial losses and other negative outcomes. The odds are typically stacked against the players, and the house usually comes out ahead in the long run. But for most people, quitting gambling altogether perhaps be the most sensible decision when it comes to their financial and personal well-being. However, some people may still choose to gamble responsibly and for entertainment purposes only, while setting strict limits on their spending and time spent gambling. We must need to understand the risks and benefits of gambling and make informed decisions based on one's own circumstances and values.

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Bettors has to keep record of success made so far by them in betting such records will motivate such individual to continue that's if success is recorded also they should keep records of loss made this will make them to choose which way to follow is either to quit or continue but is good to note that this approach is not applicable to an addict whose purpose for betting is to satisfy him or herself urge.

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Quote from: dezoel on March 03, 2023, 05:56:50 AM

But I believe that it's important for individuals to make a concerted effort to keep track of their gambling results because it can provide valuable insights into their overall profitability and help them make better decisions about their gambling activity.

The sad reality is that gambling itself is generally a bad decision, as the house always wins in the end. So, at least for the vast majority, the best "decisions about their gambling activity" would be just to stop playing.

Quote from: dezoel on March 03, 2023, 05:56:50 AM

And in my case, I think significant losses are more likely to get engraved in my memory than wins.

That's probably good for you. Hopefully, that will prevent you from incurring any future significant losses.

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Quote from: kenshi222 on March 03, 2023, 04:19:20 PM

Mostly the gamblers had a good strategy on most of the gambling sites.Because the experience only make them to get more strategy daily,finding the gambling strategy is not the easy one.Atleast you need to play the game for 100 times with minimum bet or bet based on your holding money.The holding money will be vary all the time and it should be used on game itself to find the strategy.

Most of the people forget the thing of small mistake in the game.Even the gamblers had played with the gambling strategy,the small mistake will change the entire game.Because the gambling is not only the game based on the strategy,but also based on the luck.The people who had a bad luck in the gambling will surely do the small mistake at the unexpected time and lose the rewards.

Since it is based on the luck, I don't look casino games as game. Casino slots are mathematically calculated well to reach determined house edge ratio so players lose after wagering a ton. Bad luck and good luck are two sides of medallion so we can't rely on any strategy that prints every single session on casino games. Surely we keep looking for the best strategy so we can enjoy the process but nothing is easy as it sounds especially in the gambling industry, IMHO.

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Mostly the gamblers had a good strategy on most of the gambling sites.Because the experience only make them to get more strategy daily,finding the gambling strategy is not the easy one.Atleast you need to play the game for 100 times with minimum bet or bet based on your holding money.The holding money will be vary all the time and it should be used on game itself to find the strategy.

Most of the people forget the thing of small mistake in the game.Even the gamblers had played with the gambling strategy,the small mistake will change the entire game.Because the gambling is not only the game based on the strategy,but also based on the luck.The people who had a bad luck in the gambling will surely do the small mistake at the unexpected time and lose the rewards.

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Quote from: klidex on March 03, 2023, 11:58:25 AM

But have you never tried and found out that there are several special patterns that can be used in slot games and many gamblers have proven this.
In this pattern it cannot really give a win, but at least with this pattern we can increase the chances of being able to win slot games.
Sounds ridiculous and doesn't make sense, but in reality that's what happened for now.

I don't fully believe in the existence of this pattern, nor do I pay attention to the pattern. however, there is one provider that I noticed, the pattern for getting free spins, mostly around 300 - 500 normal spins to get free spins. Of course, this is also not 100% the same, because sometimes even in 100 spins you can get 2-3x free spins even though most only give small wins. well, the existence of this pattern is also difficult to be used as a reference.

if a gambler believes in patterns, it doesn't mean they are wrong, because suggestions from himself can give someone positive results. If you are one of those who believe, go ahead, who knows, this suggestion maybe become a strategy for you in playing as you said.

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Quote from: klidex on March 03, 2023, 11:58:25 AM

Quote from: masulum on February 28, 2023, 09:50:43 AM

Quote from: klidex on February 27, 2023, 06:32:48 PM

In fact, a gambler cannot determine and ensure that he really can have a multiplier opportunity like that found in slot games.

For me there is no strategy whatsoever that can be done to play slots, because its works by the machine, not our brains. We only bet, the rest is machines or programs (online slots).

Some people can indeed have an opinion like you that any strategy cannot be done to play slots.
But have you never tried and found out that there are several special patterns that can be used in slot games and many gamblers have proven this.
In this pattern it cannot really give a win, but at least with this pattern we can increase the chances of being able to win slot games.
Sounds ridiculous and doesn't make sense, but in reality that's what happened for now.

Sometimes in some casino we can say that there is a pattern or we found out the way to victory which is pretty good cause when we are a gambler all we need is to win. So when we discovered the pattern then all we can say is that this is a good betting strategy, And we already experienced this kind of situation but we must always remember that in gambling we can not assure that we are always win. So keep in mind that gamble for fun.

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Quote from: masulum on February 28, 2023, 09:50:43 AM

Quote from: klidex on February 27, 2023, 06:32:48 PM

In fact, a gambler cannot determine and ensure that he really can have a multiplier opportunity like that found in slot games.

For me there is no strategy whatsoever that can be done to play slots, because its works by the machine, not our brains. We only bet, the rest is machines or programs (online slots).

Some people can indeed have an opinion like you that any strategy cannot be done to play slots.
But have you never tried and found out that there are several special patterns that can be used in slot games and many gamblers have proven this.
In this pattern it cannot really give a win, but at least with this pattern we can increase the chances of being able to win slot games.
Sounds ridiculous and doesn't make sense, but in reality that's what happened for now.

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