Topic: Beware of DuckDice.io – My Disappointing Experience and Fairness Issues🚨 - page 2. (Read 1570 times)

I think I've mentioned it on a very earlier discussion we had. Something like kirito can't find your username on their database, thus inquiring you for a proof that you indeed had an account [that request of email showing username] and upon provided, he gave it to the team who handled database and they told him "if the player had an account and now no longer exist in database and can't be found, then they've must be asking for account deletion" or something like that. That's the imaginary scenario I had in mind, of course.

Alternatively, I probably stand corrected. there was an entry, a simple entry that they need to keep in order to be compliant to certain regulation, yet still stick with GDPR's data protection, something like a short line "sezmisenk41 - account removal requested" that's inaccessible by a simple search from whicever division kirito is working and only accessible to the division who confirmed to him. Once he inquired that the username was indeed a DuckDice player at a point [with your screenshot as proof], the department look into their database and pull that restricted record.

I personally lean toward the ealier narrative than the latter, it seems more logical.

If you insist though, as I mentioned before, the only way to get out of this paradox and make sense of it is to provide a logic out of those illogical things. So, if you don't mind, perhaps you can help us understand by explaining why do you think [according to your logic] they lied about account removal and database erasure while the very existence of the database actually works in their favor?

Your explanation raises more questions than it resolves. If it was truly just a 'visual bug,' why would Duckdice choose to refund the user instead of clarifying the situation transparently? Refunding without addressing the root cause suggests an attempt to avoid scrutiny rather than fixing the issue, And if errors have occurred before, how can we ensure they haven’t occurred again, especially in my case?

It’s normal for players and the community to raise concerns when a platform's history includes such incidents. Addressing these doubts with clear, verifiable facts instead of dismissing them as 'blackmail' or 'unfounded claims' would be a better way to rebuild trust.
If there’s nothing wrong with your system, a clear and honest approach would help put everyone’s concerns to rest instead of dismissing them as baseless.

Also, calling my concerns 'blackmail' is unwarranted. I am merely highlighting a historical instance where a user caught a discrepancy—whether visual or otherwise—and was compensated for it. This proves that errors can and have occurred on your platform. My case isn’t unfounded; it’s based on genuine doubt and past incidents.

Your baseless accusation that I’m the same person behind previous blackmail attempts is completely uncalled for and unprofessional. If you cannot prove it, why even make such an inflammatory statement? This tactic of deflecting legitimate concerns by resorting to unsubstantiated claims against users only undermines your credibility further."

Edit: Holydarkness : You gave an example of a "burned paper," but that analogy doesn't even match the situation. Duckdice has repeatedly changed its story.
 
But if you take a look at the screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/ivzSNe8 , it clearly contradicts your current comment. In that screenshot, the Duckdice.io representative stated that they received a response from their team confirming that my account was deleted upon my request. Earlier, you mentioned that there is no data showing my request for account deletion. So, how is it possible that the Duckdice representative claimed they received a response from their team confirming that my account was deleted upon my request? This seems contradictory.


To the point, If Duckdice.io truly deleted everything, there wouldn’t be any data to check.

I'll focus on this part, as other parts already being handled in a far more capable manner by others, and you seemed to still find difficulties to grasp this point, of what happened when you ask for your account to be deleted.

Imagine a piece of paper, or a book, if you may, titled "horsbyname". In it, DuckDice wrote all of your information. Your name, DoB, address, other KYC related things, your deposit and withdrawal history, your betting log, your bonuses, your chat, your complaints, your email, every single thing tha happened to a "horsbyname" during his stay in DuckDice.

At the end of that book, there is an entry, a line: "burn this book".

So, the book burned.

All of the content of the book, all of those betting records and personal info, all of those chats and emails, including the very one that wrote "burn this book" are thrown into fire and extinguished.

That is the "right to be forgotten" of GDPR.

There were not a single entry of "horsbyname" in DuckDice following that request of removal. Not one. Nothing. Nada.

So, it's impossible to ask for them to provide that email because it's paradoxical, illogical, and moot.

If they can procure that email as a proof, it'll need them to still have your data, since it's never erased. But it's erased, so they don't have it. Not anymore. So they can't provide it.

If they can provide it, it means the data was not erased and their statement that your data is no longer exist is false, thus, a lie, and logically they will not say this as it'll be a reputation-suicide. Thus, even if they have it as you never asked for removal, they will not provide it.

The other way to disprove that, is for you to provide that proof, which another paradox by itself.

It's either you can not provide a proof that you asked for account removal because you never asked, thus there is nothing to provide to disprove, or you can provide it as you did asked for it, but it'll be a reputation-suicide from your side. Thus, logically, you'll deny that such email or chat exist and will inquire them to provide them as a way to prove themselves.

Paradoxical. Illogical. Moot.

Drop it.

A way out of this endless loop is to think a logic out of those illogical things.

They want to disprove your statement that you're on 158 losing streak. It'll be a piece of cake if they have your betting history. What benefit do they get from saying that your data has been wiped clean? When the key of their rebuttal is in that data itself?

The fact that they can't make a rebuttal of you having 158 losing streak because they can't look at it on your betting history in their database, would indicate that the history itself is, indeed, no longer exist.

Why is it no longer exist? Because it's removed.

Why is it removed? Because of the right to be forgotten.

Where's the proof of it? Nothing. Not from their side. It's being forgotten. Burned.

It's a really simple situation that I am sure everybody reading this case can easily understand. I hope you can understand the situation that applied now too.

Sure, I'll address this, while this was in 2019, from what I can tell from the backlogs, this issue was simply a visual bug, issues, but since boy911 was one of our VIP players, back then admins considered its better to actually give him a refund/bonus on the bet to keep him happy, instead of actually saying, sorry, there was nothing wrong with your bet.

Kind of funny that all the other blackmailers we've had so far, have proceeded to do the exact same thing as you're doing, use these screenshots out of context, to try to "further" their unfounded claim.



I've had the number on the top of my head, indeed I mentioned 0.38 instead of 0.37, again funny that this is your attempt to say I am altering the narrative.


That's exactly what it indicates, the number of wins on that certain percentage you were playing, vs the total number of losses.   The second you generated that seed to play on, all bets on it were already predetermined, it wouldn't matter when you decided to switch sides, change payout, results would have been the same ( though it simply doesn't matter, cause you literally ignored every fact proven here by myself or khaleed regarding this).


The focus has been on this case, there's no unique circumstance about it, you made a false claim, without any evidence to back it up, its been proven that it was in fact false.

And sadly while I can't prove it, we both know very well you're the same person as with the previous blackmail attempts we've had.




Now I'd like to ask upon bitcointalk to make a judgement on this case, as I think its been dragged on long enough,  OP initially claimed he had a 158 red streak on 15.5% chance, it was proven that this didn't happen,  after he switched his story that he manually changed his bets, while we can't verify this, we can however verify the fairness of the seed he was using, which was verified by khaleed0111.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I understand your frustration if you’ve dealt with false accusations in the past. However, I am here seeking answers and transparency about my specific case. I’m not here to make baseless claims but to address a serious concern regarding fairness. Instead of dismissing my issue by comparing it to past situations, I’d appreciate your focus on this case and its unique circumstances.

Additionally, you mentioned a loss of 0.38 BTC, whereas I have consistently stated it was 0.37 BTC, which suggests an attempt to alter the narrative.

Not mine but, your statements have changed multiple times throughout this discussion:

Initially, you claimed my account didn’t exist.

Once I proved it existed, you stated there was no data available to show the bets.

Thanks to Holydarkness, it was revealed that the data does exist, allowing the verification process to begin.

At this point, I must question how you are a representative of Duckdice if you lacked the knowledge that such data could be retrieved. This lack of awareness and your shifting statements make this appear unprofessional. Now, you are attempting to change my statements, further eroding trust in your responses.

On account deletion: While you claim the discussion is pointless, I disagree because your previous statements indicate that ""when a user requests us to delete all data associated with his account," If you are confident I requested this, I’ve repeatedly asked you to provide proof, such as an email or private message showing my consent to delete the account. Ignoring this point doesn't erase its significance, as all my evidence and the full betting history reside within the account.

Additionally, the results you provided for my bets do not indicate whether they were wins or losses; instead, they only display numbers, which could represent either outcome. This lack of clarity makes it difficult to verify the fairness of the results.

Edit: Dont Ignore this part again "I would like to ask the Duckdice.io representative how they ended up in a situation where a user found a bet that was clearly unfair, and Duckdice admitted to the unfairness of the bet and refunded the user. If they were able to recognize and accept unfairness in one case, it’s reasonable to believe that the same could be true for my case as well. This acknowledgment shows that it is possible for the system to manipulate or affect the results, and it raises concerns that it could be happening to me and potentially others as well."

https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9
https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b

The bet in that case was showing a result of a loss while it was actually a win.

Thank you again.

This does prove however that our game is provably fair, and even more that his session was fair.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Yes, sure!
Here are the results for the bets from roll number 10001 to roll number 50000:
https://pastebin.com/fxubdHRq
https://pastebin.com/Gkxwd3AP

- For bets on under 1550, the longest losing streak is 54, from roll number 42481 to roll number 42534.
- For bets on over 8449, the longest losing streak is 57, from roll number 5074 to roll number 5130.

Those numbers do not mean anything anymore since OP said he kept switching between under and over and we don’t know when he did that exactly.

However, the win rate can give us a good idea on how fair the game is.

Based on the results of the first 50k rolls:
- For bets on under 1500, the win rate is 15.282% (7641 wins)*
- For bets on over 8499, the win rate is 15.456% (7728 wins)

* I calculated the win rate for under 1500 while it should be under 1550. I'll fix it asap. Sorry!

First, regarding the account deletion, while you mentioned that it's impossible to prove a deletion request because all data is wiped, I still never requested for my account to be deleted, Earlier Duckdice representative mentioned, "when a user requests us to delete all data associated with his account," which implies that an account is deleted after such a request is made. Therefore, there must be an email or private message in Duckdice’s inbox showing my request, yet no such proof has been provided. If Duckdice claims they deleted my account, then I must have requested it from either an admin or a dev, and they should be able to provide evidence of that request. I continuously speak about the account deletion issue because all the proofs are there, and yet you guys are ignoring this part.

The reason why knowing which bets were wins and which were losses is relevant is because it provides context to the losing streak. While it's true that the goal is to verify 158 losing streak, the sequence of individual bets is crucial for understanding the full picture.

I was manually changing sides during the bets, and if the results are not showing which bets were wins or losses, it becomes difficult to confirm whether the streak was influenced by the side changes I made.

So, knowing the outcomes of individual bets will help confirm whether the losing streak is legitimate or if something else contributed to it, Without this detailed breakdown, it's hard to be sure that the 158 losses in a row were an actual streak based on random chance, rather than some external factor.


As a user found a bet that was clearly unfair, and Duckdice admitted to the Unfairness of the bet and the user was refunded. If they were able to recognize and accept that unfairness in one case, it’s reasonable to believe that the same could be true for my case as well. This shows that it is possible for the system to manipulate or affect the results, and it could be happening to me and others as well.

1. I won't get into the account deletion again as its pointless right now, I've tried my best explaining it countless of times.

2. You clearly started this whole thread claiming that you had an unreal 158 loosing streak which caused you to lose 0.38 BTC, I know you weren't expecting the bet evidence to be something we could verify, I wasn't also, the sole fact you posted that screenshot with the bet id made it possible to verify that certain server seed.

3. I have just told you we will check the next 50000 rolls for that "158 red streak" so why are you now switching it to " as I’ve mentioned Duckdice.io appeared to play against me during the last 300 or approximately 350 bets, ultimately depleting my balance to zero."? Your whole story currently changed, you clearly claimed in the OP that a betting streak of 158 on 15.5% losses caused you to lose, and now you're claiming its losing bets vs winning bets, which changes the whole narrative,  I know that you believe this is something that you can leverage again, but we can actually check that aswell, check the losing bets vs winning bets for the first 50k rolls on that seed, and I'll guarantee its more or less around 14-14.5% winning hands, accounting for the 1% house edge.


4. I'm sorry if my tone seems unprofessional to the rest of bitcointalk, but we've been dealing with this exact type of user for years now, while I can't prove its the exact person as in previous cases ( in previous cases the accuser wouldn't delete his duckdice accounts/alt accounts, and in the end we could always track/connect them), every once in a while, a fake accusation pops up, coupled with some trustpilot spam, and other things, and when the case gets proven to be fake ( which will be the same situation as now, once I verify his future 50k rolls), another one will pop-up in a month or 2, or 5.



He's simply trying to change the narrative which makes no sense, claiming that he lost that 0.38 btc because the losing bets were a lot more than winning bets. 



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I would like to address the matter from my POV, if I may,

First, of proving you asked for account deletion, as the explanation about it seems to be failed to be understood by you [no offense intended]. It is not possible. Your data wiped clean. Nothing left. As such, so did the correspondencies you had with them. That point is moot. Drop it.

Second, of the intent is to verify a specific losing bets, yes they got the message and are on the same page as you. They're trying to disprove this accusation. Hence their effort to re-build a virtually impossible database, to recompile and retrace your betting history.

Third, umm, weren't the inent is to verify a specific losing bets? The result they posted earlier were displaying the longest losing streak they can dig. I don't  think I understand. How do which bets is winning or losing become relevant in this pursue of verifying a long losing streak?

I want to address a few points. Firstly, I never requested the account deletion, I have asked you multiple times to provide proof of such a request if it exists, yet no evidence has been provided. As I’ve consistently stated my intent is to verify the specific losing streak, not to dispute any winning bets. Thirdly, the results you posted earlier regarding my bets did not specify which bets were wins or losses, which is crucial, as I’ve mentioned Duckdice.io appeared to play against me during the last 300 or approximately 350 bets, ultimately depleting my balance to zero.

Additionally, I was not even aware that account deletion was an option at Duckdice. I belive my account was only deleted after I created a public post against Duckdice.io, raising concerns about fairness and transparency.

Like previously mentioned, when an user requests us to delete all data associated with his account, basically you revoke consent to apply the terms and conditions, all data about the account stored on our side is deleted, username, email address, IP address, crypto transactions, absolutely everything is deleted.   While the bets do remain in the system, they will only show as bets placed by a "Deleted" account. Unable to link them to anyone, the only reason we were able to verify these bets as yours is because you posted a screenshot displaying the hashed server seed, and client seed.  so that client seed and server seed is still in our database, and we were able to verify the bets.

What we can do to "help clear your doubts" would be to verify the rolls for the next 35000 rolls, or better yet the next 50000 rolls, assuming that would be enough to cover your range, though I really hope you won't come up next and claim it happened somewhere around the millionth roll.

Khaled0111 would you be able to generate his 50,000 rolls so I can verify them and post the results here?


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Thank you for reviewing the streak, but I want to clarify that the bet I provided was from an earlier session and was shared only to prove my presence and account ownership. The 158 losing streak I mentioned occurred much later, possibly close to or even beyond 35k bets.

Before hitting that unbelievable 158-loss streak, I also experienced multiple smaller streaks, such as 30, 40, or even 70-75 losses in a row. These streaks were frustrating, but what truly felt suspicious was how the outcomes seemed to react to my actions. For example, whenever I switched sides, the results would immediately favor the opposite side. At some points, it genuinely felt like Duckdice was playing against me.

I would be truly glad if you could restore access to my account so I can personally review all my bets. That would satisfy me greatly and help clear up my doubts. It also raises questions because earlier, it was claimed that my account and bet history no longer existed, yet now you’ve been able to provide information about my bets. This inconsistency only adds to my concerns, and I hope for clarity moving forward.

OP, with this, I believe several things are clarified and you find closure with this past issue of yours? Hopefully it is enough to close the lid for this matter for good.

Do you have other grievance that we might can help clarify and get it aired?

Thank you for confirming it aswell. Really appreciate your help on this matter.



So with this, its been proven that OP's claim of the 158 red streak on 15.5% chance is in fact a lie...

Really appreciate your help on this khaled0111  and also a big thank you to holydarkness, if you didn't catch that part where OP posted a picture of one of his bets, we would not have been able to come upon his actual bet history and to be able to disprove his false claim.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I just checked it too and can confirm the numbers you gave are correct.
- For bets with 15.5% win chance on under 1550, the longest losing streak is 41, from roll number 12 to roll number 51.
- For bets with 15.5% win chance on over 8449, the longest losing streak is 57, from roll number 5074 to roll number 5130.

Thank you khaled0111!

Currently I've checked for the longest streak of OPs while chasing a 15.5% chance, and on the under side, basically rolls streak over 1550,  the longest streak he encountered was a 41 losing streak, between nounce 12 and 51.

Will check aswell for under 8449 (15.5% chance on the other side) but I'm guessing it will be something similar, which is not even close to the 158 losing streak he claims.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Here are the results of the first 10000 rolls:
https://pastebin.com/SMuBKAp9

I used the code that duckdice online verifier uses and put it into a for loop.
Link to duckdice vetifier source code:
https://codepen.io/DuckDice/pen/abdNzQE

Sorry, I don’t have much time right now but I don’t think it’s going to be too hard for anyone to find the lonest losing streak.

I will wait for either you or any other Bitcointalk members to verify the streak, as you mentioned. If someone from the community can automate this and produce a spreadsheet of all bets on this seed, it would indeed be very helpful.

I hope this process can finally bring clarity to my concerns. Once the results are confirmed, I’ll act accordingly and update my posts and reviews based on the findings. Let’s work together to resolve this matter in a fair and transparent manner.

Sorry for the delayed response,  I've been a bit busy with holiday preparations.

So here is the OP's bet, with server seed unhashed.

Server seed unhashed:  b36be07c87f1e0abe44f325cb4e7c80f7c8db147838d2532ca560bf549e86c47

Server seed hashed:  cdd08e0c9cd4c8c25730b7c8168849164f06a192dc891b5fb10008ef767e631d

Client seed: PCEazJjcLcOyfxN0pOUbpK2dLdfqqa

The nounce the OP provided is 9650, So I assume his bet happened before then.

He claims somewhere on this seed a 158 losing streak on 15% happened, so if any fine bitcointalk members will be able to automate this to give out a spreadsheet of each bet would be very helpful, if not I'll get to it eventually, though I might be a bit delayed with holiday season.


Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.