Topic: Beware of DuckDice.io – My Disappointing Experience and Fairness Issues🚨 - page 4. (Read 2802 times)

Sure, I'll address this, while this was in 2019, from what I can tell from the backlogs, this issue was simply a visual bug, issues, but since boy911 was one of our VIP players, back then admins considered its better to actually give him a refund/bonus on the bet to keep him happy, instead of actually saying, sorry, there was nothing wrong with your bet.

Kind of funny that all the other blackmailers we've had so far, have proceeded to do the exact same thing as you're doing, use these screenshots out of context, to try to "further" their unfounded claim.



I've had the number on the top of my head, indeed I mentioned 0.38 instead of 0.37, again funny that this is your attempt to say I am altering the narrative.


That's exactly what it indicates, the number of wins on that certain percentage you were playing, vs the total number of losses.   The second you generated that seed to play on, all bets on it were already predetermined, it wouldn't matter when you decided to switch sides, change payout, results would have been the same ( though it simply doesn't matter, cause you literally ignored every fact proven here by myself or khaleed regarding this).


The focus has been on this case, there's no unique circumstance about it, you made a false claim, without any evidence to back it up, its been proven that it was in fact false.

And sadly while I can't prove it, we both know very well you're the same person as with the previous blackmail attempts we've had.




Now I'd like to ask upon bitcointalk to make a judgement on this case, as I think its been dragged on long enough,  OP initially claimed he had a 158 red streak on 15.5% chance, it was proven that this didn't happen,  after he switched his story that he manually changed his bets, while we can't verify this, we can however verify the fairness of the seed he was using, which was verified by khaleed0111.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I understand your frustration if you’ve dealt with false accusations in the past. However, I am here seeking answers and transparency about my specific case. I’m not here to make baseless claims but to address a serious concern regarding fairness. Instead of dismissing my issue by comparing it to past situations, I’d appreciate your focus on this case and its unique circumstances.

Additionally, you mentioned a loss of 0.38 BTC, whereas I have consistently stated it was 0.37 BTC, which suggests an attempt to alter the narrative.

Not mine but, your statements have changed multiple times throughout this discussion:

Initially, you claimed my account didn’t exist.

Once I proved it existed, you stated there was no data available to show the bets.

Thanks to Holydarkness, it was revealed that the data does exist, allowing the verification process to begin.

At this point, I must question how you are a representative of Duckdice if you lacked the knowledge that such data could be retrieved. This lack of awareness and your shifting statements make this appear unprofessional. Now, you are attempting to change my statements, further eroding trust in your responses.

On account deletion: While you claim the discussion is pointless, I disagree because your previous statements indicate that ""when a user requests us to delete all data associated with his account," If you are confident I requested this, I’ve repeatedly asked you to provide proof, such as an email or private message showing my consent to delete the account. Ignoring this point doesn't erase its significance, as all my evidence and the full betting history reside within the account.

Additionally, the results you provided for my bets do not indicate whether they were wins or losses; instead, they only display numbers, which could represent either outcome. This lack of clarity makes it difficult to verify the fairness of the results.

Edit: Dont Ignore this part again "I would like to ask the Duckdice.io representative how they ended up in a situation where a user found a bet that was clearly unfair, and Duckdice admitted to the unfairness of the bet and refunded the user. If they were able to recognize and accept unfairness in one case, it’s reasonable to believe that the same could be true for my case as well. This acknowledgment shows that it is possible for the system to manipulate or affect the results, and it raises concerns that it could be happening to me and potentially others as well."

https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9
https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b

The bet in that case was showing a result of a loss while it was actually a win.

Thank you again.

This does prove however that our game is provably fair, and even more that his session was fair.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Yes, sure!
Here are the results for the bets from roll number 10001 to roll number 50000:
https://pastebin.com/fxubdHRq
https://pastebin.com/Gkxwd3AP

- For bets on under 1550, the longest losing streak is 54, from roll number 42481 to roll number 42534.
- For bets on over 8449, the longest losing streak is 57, from roll number 5074 to roll number 5130.

Those numbers do not mean anything anymore since OP said he kept switching between under and over and we don’t know when he did that exactly.

However, the win rate can give us a good idea on how fair the game is.

Based on the results of the first 50k rolls:
- For bets on under 1500, the win rate is 15.282% (7641 wins)*
- For bets on over 8499, the win rate is 15.456% (7728 wins)

* I calculated the win rate for under 1500 while it should be under 1550. I'll fix it asap. Sorry!

First, regarding the account deletion, while you mentioned that it's impossible to prove a deletion request because all data is wiped, I still never requested for my account to be deleted, Earlier Duckdice representative mentioned, "when a user requests us to delete all data associated with his account," which implies that an account is deleted after such a request is made. Therefore, there must be an email or private message in Duckdice’s inbox showing my request, yet no such proof has been provided. If Duckdice claims they deleted my account, then I must have requested it from either an admin or a dev, and they should be able to provide evidence of that request. I continuously speak about the account deletion issue because all the proofs are there, and yet you guys are ignoring this part.

The reason why knowing which bets were wins and which were losses is relevant is because it provides context to the losing streak. While it's true that the goal is to verify 158 losing streak, the sequence of individual bets is crucial for understanding the full picture.

I was manually changing sides during the bets, and if the results are not showing which bets were wins or losses, it becomes difficult to confirm whether the streak was influenced by the side changes I made.

So, knowing the outcomes of individual bets will help confirm whether the losing streak is legitimate or if something else contributed to it, Without this detailed breakdown, it's hard to be sure that the 158 losses in a row were an actual streak based on random chance, rather than some external factor.


As a user found a bet that was clearly unfair, and Duckdice admitted to the Unfairness of the bet and the user was refunded. If they were able to recognize and accept that unfairness in one case, it’s reasonable to believe that the same could be true for my case as well. This shows that it is possible for the system to manipulate or affect the results, and it could be happening to me and others as well.

1. I won't get into the account deletion again as its pointless right now, I've tried my best explaining it countless of times.

2. You clearly started this whole thread claiming that you had an unreal 158 loosing streak which caused you to lose 0.38 BTC, I know you weren't expecting the bet evidence to be something we could verify, I wasn't also, the sole fact you posted that screenshot with the bet id made it possible to verify that certain server seed.

3. I have just told you we will check the next 50000 rolls for that "158 red streak" so why are you now switching it to " as I’ve mentioned Duckdice.io appeared to play against me during the last 300 or approximately 350 bets, ultimately depleting my balance to zero."? Your whole story currently changed, you clearly claimed in the OP that a betting streak of 158 on 15.5% losses caused you to lose, and now you're claiming its losing bets vs winning bets, which changes the whole narrative,  I know that you believe this is something that you can leverage again, but we can actually check that aswell, check the losing bets vs winning bets for the first 50k rolls on that seed, and I'll guarantee its more or less around 14-14.5% winning hands, accounting for the 1% house edge.


4. I'm sorry if my tone seems unprofessional to the rest of bitcointalk, but we've been dealing with this exact type of user for years now, while I can't prove its the exact person as in previous cases ( in previous cases the accuser wouldn't delete his duckdice accounts/alt accounts, and in the end we could always track/connect them), every once in a while, a fake accusation pops up, coupled with some trustpilot spam, and other things, and when the case gets proven to be fake ( which will be the same situation as now, once I verify his future 50k rolls), another one will pop-up in a month or 2, or 5.



He's simply trying to change the narrative which makes no sense, claiming that he lost that 0.38 btc because the losing bets were a lot more than winning bets. 



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I would like to address the matter from my POV, if I may,

First, of proving you asked for account deletion, as the explanation about it seems to be failed to be understood by you [no offense intended]. It is not possible. Your data wiped clean. Nothing left. As such, so did the correspondencies you had with them. That point is moot. Drop it.

Second, of the intent is to verify a specific losing bets, yes they got the message and are on the same page as you. They're trying to disprove this accusation. Hence their effort to re-build a virtually impossible database, to recompile and retrace your betting history.

Third, umm, weren't the inent is to verify a specific losing bets? The result they posted earlier were displaying the longest losing streak they can dig. I don't  think I understand. How do which bets is winning or losing become relevant in this pursue of verifying a long losing streak?

I want to address a few points. Firstly, I never requested the account deletion, I have asked you multiple times to provide proof of such a request if it exists, yet no evidence has been provided. As I’ve consistently stated my intent is to verify the specific losing streak, not to dispute any winning bets. Thirdly, the results you posted earlier regarding my bets did not specify which bets were wins or losses, which is crucial, as I’ve mentioned Duckdice.io appeared to play against me during the last 300 or approximately 350 bets, ultimately depleting my balance to zero.

Additionally, I was not even aware that account deletion was an option at Duckdice. I belive my account was only deleted after I created a public post against Duckdice.io, raising concerns about fairness and transparency.

Like previously mentioned, when an user requests us to delete all data associated with his account, basically you revoke consent to apply the terms and conditions, all data about the account stored on our side is deleted, username, email address, IP address, crypto transactions, absolutely everything is deleted.   While the bets do remain in the system, they will only show as bets placed by a "Deleted" account. Unable to link them to anyone, the only reason we were able to verify these bets as yours is because you posted a screenshot displaying the hashed server seed, and client seed.  so that client seed and server seed is still in our database, and we were able to verify the bets.

What we can do to "help clear your doubts" would be to verify the rolls for the next 35000 rolls, or better yet the next 50000 rolls, assuming that would be enough to cover your range, though I really hope you won't come up next and claim it happened somewhere around the millionth roll.

Khaled0111 would you be able to generate his 50,000 rolls so I can verify them and post the results here?


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Thank you for reviewing the streak, but I want to clarify that the bet I provided was from an earlier session and was shared only to prove my presence and account ownership. The 158 losing streak I mentioned occurred much later, possibly close to or even beyond 35k bets.

Before hitting that unbelievable 158-loss streak, I also experienced multiple smaller streaks, such as 30, 40, or even 70-75 losses in a row. These streaks were frustrating, but what truly felt suspicious was how the outcomes seemed to react to my actions. For example, whenever I switched sides, the results would immediately favor the opposite side. At some points, it genuinely felt like Duckdice was playing against me.

I would be truly glad if you could restore access to my account so I can personally review all my bets. That would satisfy me greatly and help clear up my doubts. It also raises questions because earlier, it was claimed that my account and bet history no longer existed, yet now you’ve been able to provide information about my bets. This inconsistency only adds to my concerns, and I hope for clarity moving forward.

OP, with this, I believe several things are clarified and you find closure with this past issue of yours? Hopefully it is enough to close the lid for this matter for good.

Do you have other grievance that we might can help clarify and get it aired?

Thank you for confirming it aswell. Really appreciate your help on this matter.



So with this, its been proven that OP's claim of the 158 red streak on 15.5% chance is in fact a lie...

Really appreciate your help on this khaled0111  and also a big thank you to holydarkness, if you didn't catch that part where OP posted a picture of one of his bets, we would not have been able to come upon his actual bet history and to be able to disprove his false claim.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I just checked it too and can confirm the numbers you gave are correct.
- For bets with 15.5% win chance on under 1550, the longest losing streak is 41, from roll number 12 to roll number 51.
- For bets with 15.5% win chance on over 8449, the longest losing streak is 57, from roll number 5074 to roll number 5130.

Thank you khaled0111!

Currently I've checked for the longest streak of OPs while chasing a 15.5% chance, and on the under side, basically rolls streak over 1550,  the longest streak he encountered was a 41 losing streak, between nounce 12 and 51.

Will check aswell for under 8449 (15.5% chance on the other side) but I'm guessing it will be something similar, which is not even close to the 158 losing streak he claims.


Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Here are the results of the first 10000 rolls:
https://pastebin.com/SMuBKAp9

I used the code that duckdice online verifier uses and put it into a for loop.
Link to duckdice vetifier source code:
https://codepen.io/DuckDice/pen/abdNzQE

Sorry, I don’t have much time right now but I don’t think it’s going to be too hard for anyone to find the lonest losing streak.

I will wait for either you or any other Bitcointalk members to verify the streak, as you mentioned. If someone from the community can automate this and produce a spreadsheet of all bets on this seed, it would indeed be very helpful.

I hope this process can finally bring clarity to my concerns. Once the results are confirmed, I’ll act accordingly and update my posts and reviews based on the findings. Let’s work together to resolve this matter in a fair and transparent manner.

Sorry for the delayed response,  I've been a bit busy with holiday preparations.

So here is the OP's bet, with server seed unhashed.

Server seed unhashed:  b36be07c87f1e0abe44f325cb4e7c80f7c8db147838d2532ca560bf549e86c47

Server seed hashed:  cdd08e0c9cd4c8c25730b7c8168849164f06a192dc891b5fb10008ef767e631d

Client seed: PCEazJjcLcOyfxN0pOUbpK2dLdfqqa

The nounce the OP provided is 9650, So I assume his bet happened before then.

He claims somewhere on this seed a 158 losing streak on 15% happened, so if any fine bitcointalk members will be able to automate this to give out a spreadsheet of each bet would be very helpful, if not I'll get to it eventually, though I might be a bit delayed with holiday season.


Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

Thank you for your response and engagement on this matter again. I’ve just sent an email to your support team, requesting your presence here to address the solution provided by Holydarkness. Resolving this issue will bring some peace of mind, as the uncertainty surrounding my losses has been mentally exhausting and torturous for me. I hope this leads to clarity and resolution.

Hello, thank you for the ping holydarkness  so searching for the bet I came upon  https://imgur.com/a/1EslLPI,  while the OP didn't reset his seed making the bet verifiable, I'm sure our devs will be able to dig out the unhashed server seed, and with an aproximately 9000-10000 bets on that seed, we'll be finally able to verify each individual bet in that seed to see if the 158 streak on 15.5% actually happened .    I will post here once I have the unhashed server seed aswell so it can be verified by 3d parties aswell.
Thanks again holydarkness

Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

I will have to say that it is actually been explained repetitively to you, the whole situation.

Summarized, your situation can be grouped into two inquiries: the fairness, that you doubted because you lost in 158 consecutive games with 15.5% win chance, and access to your betting history so you can verify them yourself.

Well, for the first inquiry, as can be easily verified by anyone reading the thread, it's been repetitively brought to your understanding that they utilize PF method. Every game can be verified.

Losing 158 consecutive games does not directly translates as game manipulation. Imagine if we suppose for a sec that it's a whole different player in a whole different time who play and verify each of those 158 games he lost through several methods provided by crypto gambling enthusiasts, wouldn't the risk of being caught red-handed pretty much very big. And I somewhat sure there are players out there who randomly verify their bets, either just for fun or because they're furious with their losing streak and I think it all came verified.

Though I don't think it's necessary to be brought out, but I don't think it'll hurt to further emphasize that 15.5% chance of win means on 100 games that's being played, you'll win at least 15 times. The probability of winning on each round is 15.5%, while the probability of losing is 84.5%. When the next round come, that number stays. It's a chance, not a turn.

Second, betting history. This can not be retrieved as your account has been wiped clean in compliance to GDPR. They can't investigate even if they want to because there were no more thing that ties you with their database. For this same reason, they can't help you verify your old bets as... well they don't know which bet is yours.

Granted, you gave one screenshot that ties a betID to your account from your dig to the past. But that's a winning bet, if I understand correctly? So wouldn't that be rather useless to use that betID to prove the fairness as what you're looking is a proof that said the bet is winning according to the PF verification but shown as losing bet on their platform?

Nonetheless, if it helps close this topic... Kirito89, I am humbly asking your presence here once more and see this image below:



BetID 64497e4e7ed is evidently tied to sezmisenk41, thus OP's bet. Does your database happen to record betID with the exact same format as what's shown to your player, thus you can dig betID 64497e4e7ed and provide us with its server hash, client hash, and nonce so OP can verify the fairness of that bet?