Topic: Beware of DuckDice.io – My Disappointing Experience and Fairness Issues🚨 - page 3. (Read 2802 times)

@Holydarkness It seems the two-day holiday mentioned by the Duckdce representative on 01/01/2025 is now over, as today is 06/01/2025. However, there’s still no response or evidence provided.

Just wanted to keep you informed about the continued delay.

Kirito89, kindly disregard our previous conversation on OP's other thread [quoted below as reference]. OP has relieved me from the burden of finding a way around of verifying and providing the proof of email similarities, and DuckDice has got OP's permission to publish that finding publicly.

I think this thread will fits better as it has OP's written consent here.

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I understand your concern about having multiple threads discussing the same issue. However, this post was made in direct response to the Duckdice representative's. As he asked for permission to share the email addresses and associated conversations. Since he specifically stated twice that he would proceed only if I allowed him, I felt it necessary to post my response on the main thread to ensure clarity and visibility.

I completely understand and have no issue with Kirito89's "rightful holidays." My intention was not to rush him or disregard his personal time.

Regarding your question about my permission, I have already clarified in my response to Kirito89 that I grant permission to publish the emails and related conversations publicly.

Since I have already shared the relevant information publicly, it’s no longer an issue if Kirito89 decides to DM that information to you or anyone else. Transparency is my priority in this matter, and I hope this clears up any ambiguity.

And this is the case-on-point of why we don't have two simultaneous threads discussing one issue, because the narrative and information provided in one thread can differ very significantly from the other thread.

As kirito89 already answered on your other thread, he's currently in two days vacation and he'll provide that evidence once he returned to the office. Probably later today or perhaps tomorrow.

I would appreciate a little patience from you until he is done with his [rightful] holiday break and return to the office.

As for your permission to publish it here instead of the previous arrangement [with several conditions] to send it to me through PM, kindly inform me which path you choose to take, and I'll promptly inform Kirito before he can DM me [or publish it publicly, as the current term from you is a bit ambiguous] to do as you wish.

You asked for permission to publicly share the email address I used to contact your team. I’ve already posted a screenshot of the email correspondence, including the details of my communication and the purpose of contacting your team. You can view the screenshot here: https://imgur.com/a/tvK4qIA

To clarify, you have my full permission to share both the email addresses and the conversations publicly. I believe this transparency will help ensure clarity and allow everyone to evaluate the situation fairly.

Please ensure that your actions and statements remain factual and professional. I am open to further discussion if necessary.

I want to point out that it’s not a circle – you’ve simply ignored many important questions I’ve raised here. Instead of providing answers, you’ve deflected, misrepresented facts, and focused on irrelevant points.


1. You claim that the fairness of the seed I gambled on has been independently verified by Khaleed. However, I’m still waiting for concrete proof that this verification was conducted transparently and thoroughly. The so-called verification you’re referring to doesn’t even show a winning or losing bet. It just shows a number that could be either a win or a loss, without any clear indication of the actual outcome. As Khaleed himself mentioned, this data is useless because it doesn’t prove anything about the actual bets or outcomes. Yet, you’ve taken his statement out of context and twisted it in your favor to suit your narrative.

Regarding your request to publicly disclose the email address I’ve been in contact with you on – let me be clear: I have NEVER engaged in any form of blackmail. Your attempts to tarnish my reputation with these false claims are uncalled for.

It’s clear that you’re more focused on deflecting and trying to shift the narrative rather than addressing the actual issues at hand. This matter will now be pursued through legal means, and we’ll see where that leads.

Edit : Since you ignored earlier:

Is it truly a coincidence that these emails always seem to appear conveniently after someone publicly calls you out? This raises serious questions about your narrative and whether these “blackmail attempts” are being fabricated or manipulated as a tactic to discredit anyone who challenges your platform.

If I may - When exactly did you last pay a blackmailer, and what was the specific issue they were using to blackmail you? What made you so afraid that you decided to pay them despite claiming their accusations were baseless?

It seems you’ve made yet another baseless accusation, claiming that I said it’s a coincidence the blackmailer’s email is similar to mine. Let me ask you directly: where did I ever say that? If you cannot provide proof of this statement, I expect a public apology for the damage you’re doing to my reputation in this thread.

To refresh your memory, I’ve already shared a screenshot link where you made this claim. Here’s the link again for everyone’s reference: https://imgur.com/a/QySz8vs

Additionally, I want the Bitcointalk community to witness what Duckdice representatives are doing in public forums—constantly shifting narratives, twisting facts, and making baseless accusations. If this is how they handle public discussions, it makes me wonder: what are they doing in private messages with users? How far does this behavior go when there’s no public scrutiny?

Its tyring going in circles with you daily. but to clarify: you did not get a 158 streak with a 15.5% win chance, the fairness of the seed you gambled on has been independently verified by khaleed.

And 2.  Do I have permission to publicly show the email address you've been in contact with us? that way I can show the blackmailer's email address, and let bitcointalk give their oppinion on it .


Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

You’re accusing me without concrete proof, relying solely on your assumptions.


I have already publicly stated—and even provided screenshots—showing that I never sent any emails demanding money from you. In fact, I explicitly told you not to pay anyone claiming to be me.
After hearing that you paid to blackmailers, It’s becoming increasingly suspicious how, whenever someone raises legitimate concerns about Duckdice.io on public platforms, you mysteriously receive emails claiming to be from that person in an attempt to blackmail you.

Is it truly a coincidence that these emails always seem to appear conveniently after someone publicly calls you out? This raises serious questions about your narrative and whether these “blackmail attempts” are being fabricated or manipulated as a tactic to discredit anyone who challenges your platform.

If I may - When exactly did you last pay a blackmailer, and what was the specific issue they were using to blackmail you? What made you so afraid that you decided to pay them despite claiming their accusations were baseless?

I’ve repeatedly asked you to provide proof that I sent those blackmail emails, but you’ve failed to provide any evidence whatsoever. Instead, you come up with a different story every time, completely ignoring my questions related to the case.

Even User Khaleed has stated that the outcomes he provided are useless since they don’t indicate which bets were winning and don’t clarify key details such as whether I was playing on the high or low side. This lack of essential information renders the so-called “bet history” you provided entirely meaningless for verifying fairness. Instead of reading his statement fairly and addressing the core issue, you cherry-picked his words to twist them in your favor.



Avoiding the Core Issue: Fairness
Your entire strategy seems to revolve around discrediting me personally while avoiding the original point of this thread: the fairness of your platform.
•   I suffered an unprecedented 158-loss streak with a 15.5% win probability, which is statistically improbable.
•   You stated that you have provided bet history related to my account. However, you know very well that the bet history you provided is useless:
•   It does not indicate whether each bet was a winning or losing bet, making it impossible to verify the fairness of the streak I experienced.
•   Without this crucial detail, your so-called "evidence" is meaningless and does nothing to prove your claims about the fairness of the bets.

Regarding your claims about the so-called “blackmailer” emails, let me clarify something you keep twisting: I never stated it was a coincidence that you received emails from scammers with an email address similar to mine. What I said was that the scammer used my username, as clearly shown in the screenshot of the email you posted earlier. It’s you who keeps changing the narrative to suit your claims. You seem to conveniently ignore this distinction to push your baseless accusations against me.

I've never claimed that it came from an identical email address as yours, which can be clearly seen from my chat history here, I was however pretty sure the blackmailer is you. Which turned out to be correct.   


The timeline actually matches the way you used to try this type of scam in the past, create a fake story on bitcointalk, get traction, put up a few false 1 star reviews on trustpilot get traction, then proceed with the blackmail attempts a few days, week later so you can "show" the effect your campaign has.

Someone didn't create an email similar to your username, someone matched your exact email address, which is part your username and part completely different, so here is the part where you slipped up. And the 2nd part I already addressed in my previous post.




Holydarkness simply gave an objection opinion where he said the blackmailer might be someone else as he's treated this entire thread as an impartial 3d party, as he should.


You should know this story quite well, cause the original owner of that account never actually made a thread on bitcointalk about it, the story should be here as I've posted it in the past year, aswell as a confirmation from the original owner.
 
Our provably fair system works just fine, as its been for the last 8 years we've been opperating, as it was proven in your case aswell, by a 3d party from this forum.  But you ignore these parts, due to trying to make more "noise" and bury the relevant info.


There is no fabricated blackmail narrative, the only fabrication here is your thread. I've shared a screenshot with the initial contact from our blackmailer, YOU!  We have provided transparent data, analyzed by khaleed and holydarkness, which you have refuted.   The point of the matter is, you're simply looking for a hand-out, and believe that the more noise you make with your fake allegations, that somehow we'll crack under pressure and pay you anything.   And I'm here to say one more time you will not be receiving a single dime from Duckdice.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Your claims are becoming increasingly inconsistent and contradictory. Let’s clear up a few things:

Contradiction in Your Statements:
Initially, you claimed that the blackmail email came from an address identical to mine. Now, you’re saying it’s "the same email but with a few changes." Which is it? Changing your narrative like this only highlights your lack of credibility.

Timeline of Events:
I made my post here on November 29. According to the screenshot you provided earlier, the first blackmail email you received was on December 7. This clearly indicates that someone saw my post, created an email similar to my user name 'as shown on your Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC and tried to scam you. I immediately clarified when you posted the screenshot, stating not to pay anyone and that I was not behind those emails.

Confirmation from HolyDarkness:
I’ve already posted a screenshot where [b[HolyDarkness also confirmed that the scammer’s claims were invalid. Yet, despite this, you continue to accuse me baselessly, ignoring both my clarification and the acknowledgment from an impartial observer.  https://imgur.com/a/Ir5qqAu [/b]

Your History of Paying Blackmailers:
I’m wondering why DuckDice.io is paying supposed blackmailers even when you claim to know they are blackmailers. For example, you admitted paying someone who claimed their bet was unfair, even though you said you believed it was fair. Doesn’t this seem suspicious? It looks like you paid them to prevent exposure of something more damaging. However, even after you paid, the unfairness of your practices eventually came to light. You can’t hide the truth forever.

Invest in Fairness Instead:
Instead of paying blackmailers to cover up your flaws, I recommend you focus on being fair. Use that money to address system failures and ensure transparency in your operations. This would not only improve your reputation but also prevent legitimate users from questioning your practices.

Deflecting from the Core Issue:
It’s evident that you’re using this fabricated blackmail narrative to divert attention from the real issue—my concerns about unfair betting outcomes and your refusal to provide transparent data. This is a blatant attempt to tarnish my credibility and distract readers from DuckDice.io’s questionable practices.

Hey holydarkness,  I'd like to address the "account deletion" part one more time for bitcointalk, cause OP is simply avoiding any rational conversation, due to his attempt of getting some money out of us.


So, an user, if they'd like to stop gambling on duckdice, they have 3 option, either a self-exclusion, that is like a temporarly ban, a self-ban which means his account is permanently banned, or a removal of GDRP consent, which basically means removing all data, email, ips, crypto transactions related to an account, as per legislations that we need to follow.
In OPs case, a removal of GDPR consent was the requirement by him, which means basically we erase all data linking him to an duckdice account.


At a certain point during this thread, OP showed a screenshot, showing an username( that's not in Duckdice's database anymore) with a bet, which means, server seed, client seed, nounce.  While we can't link this certain server seed to an account, the seed still exists in our database, basically it means its a seed that was used at some point by any random player to gamble, in this case OP confirmed it was his.  Using this seed we were able to verify the provably fairness of it, basically dismissing his false claim of "unreal streak that I came upon, losing a lot of btc, but I'm reporting it 1 year later".


Now on the blackmailing part. We've actually been dealing with this type of person or same person for that matter for years now on bitcointalk, Duckdice's biggest mistake was that a few years ago, they've decided its best to give him a low bonus and not having to deal with the constant negative spam he was doing on bitcointalk and trustpilot ( If anyone will check, my responses now are similar with the cases we had in the past, with a certain type of accusations). Thus this user is coming back mostly every year, trying to get something more out of Duckdice.

While OP claims this is random, and just a coincidence that someone is blackmail-ing us at the same time he started his bitcointalk campaign ( 1 year after the so called incident happened), he made 2 mistakes.  1.  creating an email address for the blackmail emails that's literally the same as OP's email address ( there's 1 extra letter, and OP's email address is unique), the blackmailer in question would have no way of knowing what OP's email address is, so I suppose the blackmailer which is a different person than OP as he claims, somehow guessed OP's unique email address, and 2.  The blackmailer actually states in his emails that he will remove all bitcointalk threads except! this one and the other OP has made.  I assume if a impersonator would try and take advantage of OPs threads, he'd claim he'd delete these threads if he got the money, but in this case, the blackmailer is claiming he'll delete some of the 1-2-3 year old fake scam accusation threads that are already closed.


Now as OP will likely ignore this, and go sideways trying to push his narrative, for refference OP stated I'm trying to mislead people for claiming he lost 0.38 BTC instead of 0.37 BTC, I'll aswell stop responding to this thread, unless there's something actually relevant added to it.

Thank you for your objective support on this matter holydarkness and khaleed.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Ok, though I'll probably come back somewhere in the far or near future, to ask for confirmation to mark this case as resolved, I think this will be my parting words, as we went on and on and on the endless circles. I have covered that part too and I somewhat believe you've read them, why you re-raise that point here... well, circles.

Anyway, as everything seems to be moot at this point, [at least I can't see anything that I can do further] I'll take a spectator seat, with my explanation about how the inconsistencies is actually a consistency and add weight to their narrative, something that [again] I've covered in the past as well as the very post you quoted.

They [well, he] look into your account in their database. He can't find it, hence the said that it didn't exist and asked you to prove that it actually existed. With the proof you have, he reached to their compliance department, or whichever department who handle database more comrehensively, probably complaining to them why the search won't bring result but there is a proof of that account being existed, and they explained that if an account existed at some point [and proven to be exist], but was not searchable on their database, then the most likely scenario is that it's completely removed due to that "right to be forgotten" kicked in.

Again, it's not that hard to understand, a short time mulling over this possibility would enough, something that I believe spectating overseers of this case have mulled over too. If you still can't accept that, well... then I don't think any further thing I say to help you gain other perspective will help.

With that, I am taking my spectator seat.

Let me clarify what I want to prove: I want to show that I never sent you an email demanding money. The email I sent is public and available for everyone to see. There is no discussion about BTC or money in it. Here https://imgur.com/a/ZbWExwU

Don’t get confused, and don’t try to confuse others. In your reply, you claimed to have received emails from me asking for money. To prove you wrong, I posted a screenshot showing exactly what I emailed you about and how you twisted it to fit your narrative. It seems you forget things quickly, which is why you’re getting confused now.

It’s clear you’re grasping at straws. Only a mindless scammer would create an email with the same name as mine to get something from you.
 I’ve already stated very clearly before: I never demanded money. What I have always asked for is fairness—something you’ve repeatedly avoided while coming back here with irrelevant claims that make no sense.

Even a kid could understand that using the same username for two accounts would never work in anyone’s favor at the same time. Your accusations are baseless and a poor attempt to shift attention away from the actual issues. Focus on addressing the real problems instead of spinning these pointless stories.

Its not baseless and you know that aswell .

Also confused on the email correspondence and what you're trying to prove, I simply reply to you there that I'm answering inquiries here so that its public.

Here's a tip for you OP, next time when you use different emails to send blackmail requests ( I assume you thought you'd use a different email to keep your "image" clean so you can go on this bitcointalk tirade), make sure you create a completely different email.   Cause if the blackmailer was a completely different, I'm pretty sure he would have no way of knowing your email address.

To give context to bitcointalk, the moment OP started this bitcointalk thread,  we've been getting bombarded on Trustpilot with fake reviews, and blackmail demands,  in context,  OPs email lets say is something like [email protected],  blackmailler's email address is [email protected], while OP initially stated its just a coincidence, its really one hell of a coincidence for the blackmailer to also know OPs email address .  

Like I've said OP, regardless of anything, you will not be getting a single $.   Your provably fairness accusation has been disproved, regardless of how much you spam to cover the thread up.



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Stop making baseless accusations. I have already made it clear that I do not want you to pay anyone a single penny, and I stand by that.
This kind of response only further damages Duckdice's reputation, as it shows the unprofessionalism of its representatives. To clear everything up, I will share the email conversation between your team and me, so everyone can see the truth for themselves.Here's the link:  https://imgur.com/a/ZbWExwU

Why do I think they lied about account removal and database erasure? Simply because their inconsistent statements suggest it. Initially, they said my account didn’t exist. Once I provided evidence proving it did, they claimed it was erased due to GDPR compliance. However, they continue to make assertions about what happened with my account and bets, which would require data they supposedly don't want to share.

Also I am sure they are lyng as, If the full data were to come out showing which bets were wins and which were losses, it would clearly reveal the actual results of my bets and might expose yet another instance of unfairness. As of now, you can't definitively say there were 48 losses or 57 losses in a row because the outcome of each bet is not visible. Without knowing the outcome-whether a bet was a win or a loss. Th lack of transparency makes it impossible to trust their narrative and only adds to the suspicion.

That could just as easily be 20 wins or 30 wins in a row, as we still don’t know the actual outcome of those bets. Without seeing the results clearly, it’s impossible to make an accurate judgment. The lack of transparency only fuels the doubt that something might be hidden.

If the existence of the database worked in their favor, as you suggest, then why not use it transparently to refute my claims once and for all? Instead, they rely on vague statements, contradictions, and the assumption that I asked for deletion without providing concrete proof. This behavior only fuels doubts about their integrity.

It will always be a doubt in my mind_no, not just a doubt; I am sure that I have been scammed by Duckdice. I’ve seen with my own eyes their ability to change bet results from a win to a loss. The proof of this exists, yet it seems like Holydarkness and other users either don’t want to read it or perhaps just can’t see it.

What’s even more concerning is that Duckdice.io’s own admin accepted that a bet result was manipulated. They apologized to the user, refunded the manipulated bet, and even called the user a VIP afterward. This clearly shows that they are capable of such actions. Once this has been admitted and proven, how can anyone deny the possibility that it’s happening to others as well, including me?

Imagine if I had even a single win during that alleged 158 losing streak - just one win- I would have reset my betting amount instead of continuing to bet in the hope of recovering my losses.

What if they manipulated my bets?. The way they keep hiding things, changing their statements, and avoding direct answers increases my doubts more and more. Instead of being transparent, their actions make me question the fairness of the entire system even further.

Honestly you are currently wasting your breath, we're currently dealing with him in our emails, where he's trying to get a bonus, to delete these bitcointalk threads he started, aswell as other ones from before ( the ones where he's coming up with screenshots), as well as the fake trust pilot reviews,  he went from asking for a 0.01 btc bonus, to 0.008, to 0.006.   There's actually no point in trying to address things with him anymore, as mostly this is what he wants, to make some noise so he can "leverage" it against some ransome money.



Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

I think I've mentioned it on a very earlier discussion we had. Something like kirito can't find your username on their database, thus inquiring you for a proof that you indeed had an account [that request of email showing username] and upon provided, he gave it to the team who handled database and they told him "if the player had an account and now no longer exist in database and can't be found, then they've must be asking for account deletion" or something like that. That's the imaginary scenario I had in mind, of course.

Alternatively, I probably stand corrected. there was an entry, a simple entry that they need to keep in order to be compliant to certain regulation, yet still stick with GDPR's data protection, something like a short line "sezmisenk41 - account removal requested" that's inaccessible by a simple search from whicever division kirito is working and only accessible to the division who confirmed to him. Once he inquired that the username was indeed a DuckDice player at a point [with your screenshot as proof], the department look into their database and pull that restricted record.

I personally lean toward the ealier narrative than the latter, it seems more logical.

If you insist though, as I mentioned before, the only way to get out of this paradox and make sense of it is to provide a logic out of those illogical things. So, if you don't mind, perhaps you can help us understand by explaining why do you think [according to your logic] they lied about account removal and database erasure while the very existence of the database actually works in their favor?

Your explanation raises more questions than it resolves. If it was truly just a 'visual bug,' why would Duckdice choose to refund the user instead of clarifying the situation transparently? Refunding without addressing the root cause suggests an attempt to avoid scrutiny rather than fixing the issue, And if errors have occurred before, how can we ensure they haven’t occurred again, especially in my case?

It’s normal for players and the community to raise concerns when a platform's history includes such incidents. Addressing these doubts with clear, verifiable facts instead of dismissing them as 'blackmail' or 'unfounded claims' would be a better way to rebuild trust.
If there’s nothing wrong with your system, a clear and honest approach would help put everyone’s concerns to rest instead of dismissing them as baseless.

Also, calling my concerns 'blackmail' is unwarranted. I am merely highlighting a historical instance where a user caught a discrepancy—whether visual or otherwise—and was compensated for it. This proves that errors can and have occurred on your platform. My case isn’t unfounded; it’s based on genuine doubt and past incidents.

Your baseless accusation that I’m the same person behind previous blackmail attempts is completely uncalled for and unprofessional. If you cannot prove it, why even make such an inflammatory statement? This tactic of deflecting legitimate concerns by resorting to unsubstantiated claims against users only undermines your credibility further."

Edit: Holydarkness : You gave an example of a "burned paper," but that analogy doesn't even match the situation. Duckdice has repeatedly changed its story.
 
But if you take a look at the screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/ivzSNe8 , it clearly contradicts your current comment. In that screenshot, the Duckdice.io representative stated that they received a response from their team confirming that my account was deleted upon my request. Earlier, you mentioned that there is no data showing my request for account deletion. So, how is it possible that the Duckdice representative claimed they received a response from their team confirming that my account was deleted upon my request? This seems contradictory.


To the point, If Duckdice.io truly deleted everything, there wouldn’t be any data to check.

I'll focus on this part, as other parts already being handled in a far more capable manner by others, and you seemed to still find difficulties to grasp this point, of what happened when you ask for your account to be deleted.

Imagine a piece of paper, or a book, if you may, titled "horsbyname". In it, DuckDice wrote all of your information. Your name, DoB, address, other KYC related things, your deposit and withdrawal history, your betting log, your bonuses, your chat, your complaints, your email, every single thing tha happened to a "horsbyname" during his stay in DuckDice.

At the end of that book, there is an entry, a line: "burn this book".

So, the book burned.

All of the content of the book, all of those betting records and personal info, all of those chats and emails, including the very one that wrote "burn this book" are thrown into fire and extinguished.

That is the "right to be forgotten" of GDPR.

There were not a single entry of "horsbyname" in DuckDice following that request of removal. Not one. Nothing. Nada.

So, it's impossible to ask for them to provide that email because it's paradoxical, illogical, and moot.

If they can procure that email as a proof, it'll need them to still have your data, since it's never erased. But it's erased, so they don't have it. Not anymore. So they can't provide it.

If they can provide it, it means the data was not erased and their statement that your data is no longer exist is false, thus, a lie, and logically they will not say this as it'll be a reputation-suicide. Thus, even if they have it as you never asked for removal, they will not provide it.

The other way to disprove that, is for you to provide that proof, which another paradox by itself.

It's either you can not provide a proof that you asked for account removal because you never asked, thus there is nothing to provide to disprove, or you can provide it as you did asked for it, but it'll be a reputation-suicide from your side. Thus, logically, you'll deny that such email or chat exist and will inquire them to provide them as a way to prove themselves.

Paradoxical. Illogical. Moot.

Drop it.

A way out of this endless loop is to think a logic out of those illogical things.

They want to disprove your statement that you're on 158 losing streak. It'll be a piece of cake if they have your betting history. What benefit do they get from saying that your data has been wiped clean? When the key of their rebuttal is in that data itself?

The fact that they can't make a rebuttal of you having 158 losing streak because they can't look at it on your betting history in their database, would indicate that the history itself is, indeed, no longer exist.

Why is it no longer exist? Because it's removed.

Why is it removed? Because of the right to be forgotten.

Where's the proof of it? Nothing. Not from their side. It's being forgotten. Burned.

It's a really simple situation that I am sure everybody reading this case can easily understand. I hope you can understand the situation that applied now too.