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Quote from: jspielberg on April 20, 2013, 08:51:10 PM

Looks like the end is in sight for BFL customers if they are willing to accept their hashers in nickel denominations (and I think you would have to be crazy to turn down 5 Jalapenos for 1 SingleSC if you could get the 5 next month rather than in five months).

I think you mean 12 nickels. The now cancelled single SC was advertised as 60Gh/s @ 60w. Twelve of these toys may get you the same hashrate after a nightmare of wiring, but would also consume at least 400 watts. It's irrelevant anyway, BFL will not be able to ship 12 of these for every single sc ordered.

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Looks like the end is in sight for BFL customers if they are willing to accept their hashers in nickel denominations (and I think you would have to be crazy to turn down 5 Jalapenos for 1 SingleSC if you could get the 5 next month rather than in five months).

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news from jalapenos
but not shipping date

http://codinginmysleep.com/bfl-jalapeno-unboxing-and-demo/

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Quote from: Marrs on April 20, 2013, 02:32:04 PM

I guess we'll see, but if there wasn't any profit to be made, asicminer wouldn't be planning a 200 TH deployment to come some time after their upcoming 50TH deployment.

There's plenty of profit to be made...and ASICMiner and Avalon investors are making it. BFL...who knows what's really going on over there, but their investors are getting hosed and there's no end in sight. They've even stopped giving out fairy tale shipping dates.

It's a mistake to compare BFL or their vaporware products to the products of either legit ASIC mining hardware vendors. BFL could fall apart or be shut down at any time just like BTCFPGA did. Eventually you have to deliver.

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BFL's entire budget went on designing those boxes of fans and LEDs, especially the minirig, and now they are an utter failure like everything else they've designed.

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Quote from: creativex on April 20, 2013, 01:03:58 PM

Quote from: Marrs on April 20, 2013, 12:12:36 PM

Quote from: witherworth on April 20, 2013, 09:45:21 AM

Except it's not. When you add in even 100w for a laptop, then plug in 10 BFL singles, suddenly that laptop only uses an extra 10w per single. There's no point to have 10 different hard drives, 10 wifi modules, etc. all of that can be taken care of with 1 mini computer (~$150 for a new one, running at ~50w with either windows or Linux).

Also, of you've only got 1 unit, run it off a RPi, and that only consumes, what, 10w or something rediculus? You could probably find a way to mount the Pi inside the jalapeño, and cut a hole out the back for Ethernet & additional power cord. Would certainly be an interesting project.

This is true, except I think the laptop and RPi power consumption numbers you're using are too high.

The currently unused netbook that I'm planning to use with my Single uses 12W at max draw, and under 8W when the screen is off, which will be most of the time, and a RPi uses about 2.1W under CPU load.

Fantastic.

I really hope you receive your single or whatever product(s) BFL sends you for ordering a now cancelled single SC before your netbook turns to dust. They don't even have a projected shipping date 6 months after their first projected shipping date lie. You're likely to receive these product(s) after Avalon batches 2 & 3 ship and ASICMiner deploys another 50Th+ if you ever receive them. With the power consumption increasing 5-6x on BFLs line of fail you're unlikely to ever get your investment back, much less profit. The appropriate response when you're screwed over by a hardware vendor ignoring FTC prompt delivery regulations is to request a refund and take your business elsewhere.

/chuckle

I guess we'll see, but if there wasn't any profit to be made, asicminer wouldn't be planning a 200 TH deployment to come some time after their upcoming 50TH deployment.

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Quote from: Marrs on April 20, 2013, 12:12:36 PM

Quote from: witherworth on April 20, 2013, 09:45:21 AM

Except it's not. When you add in even 100w for a laptop, then plug in 10 BFL singles, suddenly that laptop only uses an extra 10w per single. There's no point to have 10 different hard drives, 10 wifi modules, etc. all of that can be taken care of with 1 mini computer (~$150 for a new one, running at ~50w with either windows or Linux).

Also, of you've only got 1 unit, run it off a RPi, and that only consumes, what, 10w or something rediculus? You could probably find a way to mount the Pi inside the jalapeño, and cut a hole out the back for Ethernet & additional power cord. Would certainly be an interesting project.

This is true, except I think the laptop and RPi power consumption numbers you're using are too high.

The currently unused netbook that I'm planning to use with my Single uses 12W at max draw, and under 8W when the screen is off, which will be most of the time, and a RPi uses about 2.1W under CPU load.

Fantastic.

I really hope you receive your single or whatever product(s) BFL sends you for ordering a now cancelled single SC before your netbook turns to dust. They don't even have a projected shipping date 6 months after their first projected shipping date lie. You're likely to receive these product(s) after Avalon batches 2 & 3 ship and ASICMiner deploys another 50Th+ if you ever receive them. With the power consumption increasing 5-6x on BFLs line of fail you're unlikely to ever get your investment back, much less profit. The appropriate response when you're screwed over by a hardware vendor ignoring FTC prompt delivery regulations is to request a refund and take your business elsewhere.

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Quote from: witherworth on April 20, 2013, 09:45:21 AM

Except it's not. When you add in even 100w for a laptop, then plug in 10 BFL singles, suddenly that laptop only uses an extra 10w per single. There's no point to have 10 different hard drives, 10 wifi modules, etc. all of that can be taken care of with 1 mini computer (~$150 for a new one, running at ~50w with either windows or Linux).

Also, of you've only got 1 unit, run it off a RPi, and that only consumes, what, 10w or something rediculus? You could probably find a way to mount the Pi inside the jalapeño, and cut a hole out the back for Ethernet & additional power cord. Would certainly be an interesting project.

This is true, except I think the laptop and RPi power consumption numbers you're using are too high.

The currently unused netbook that I'm planning to use with my Single uses 12W at max draw, and under 8W when the screen is off, which will be most of the time, and a RPi uses about 2.1W under CPU load.

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Quote from: erk on April 20, 2013, 10:23:04 AM

Quote from: Frizz23 on April 20, 2013, 09:47:53 AM

Quote from: erk on April 20, 2013, 09:26:10 AM

So it's real consumption for the ASIC is probably closer to 28watts. So the BitForce 25 GH/s SC will probably come closer to 145watts rather than your 216watt claim.

And the Single SC, which was advertised with 60GH/s, has now what? 50GH/s? 40GH/s? 0GH/s?

It is still advertised with 50GH/s, so let's take 50.

According to your calculation the 25GH/s unit needs 145 Watt. So the 50GH/s needs 290 Watt.

Both units have the same casing.

So this tiny heatsink dissipates 290 Watt of heat? LOL.

Just give up and stop your trolling, you and I have no idea what power consumption or case size the 25GHs and 50GHs units will come in, all we know so far is about the 5GHs unit, the rest is pointless speculation, silly pictures, and bad math.

How is it trolling to take the product page at butterflylabs and deriving the power needs of the product line from the latest claims put forth by BFL?
That just seems like math. Of course, this math is only of interest to nitwits who invested in BFL (since their debt notes are convertible into things called SCs or Singles or Jalapenos.)

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Quote from: Frizz23 on April 20, 2013, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: erk on April 20, 2013, 10:23:04 AM

Just give up and stop your trolling, you and I have no idea what power consumption or case size the 25GHs and 50GHs units will come in, ...

Yes we do have an idea. Look at products.butterflylabs.com

Or do you imply that BFL puts inaccurate pictures on their product page?

They have been inaccurate before. A month ago the jalapeno looked different...

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Quote from: erk on April 20, 2013, 10:23:04 AM

Just give up and stop your trolling, you and I have no idea what power consumption or case size the 25GHs and 50GHs units will come in, ...

Yes we do have an idea. Look at products.butterflylabs.com

Or do you imply that BFL puts inaccurate pictures on their product page? Wink

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Quote from: Frizz23 on April 20, 2013, 09:47:53 AM

Quote from: erk on April 20, 2013, 09:26:10 AM

So it's real consumption for the ASIC is probably closer to 28watts. So the BitForce 25 GH/s SC will probably come closer to 145watts rather than your 216watt claim.

And the Single SC, which was advertised with 60GH/s, has now what? 50GH/s? 40GH/s? 0GH/s?

It is still advertised with 50GH/s, so let's take 50.

According to your calculation the 25GH/s unit needs 145 Watt. So the 50GH/s needs 290 Watt.

Both units have the same casing.

So this tiny heatsink dissipates 290 Watt of heat? LOL.

Just give up and stop your trolling, you and I have no idea what power consumption or case size the 25GHs and 50GHs units will come in, all we know so far is about the 5GHs unit, the rest is pointless speculation, silly pictures, and bad math.

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Quote from: erk on April 20, 2013, 09:26:10 AM

So it's real consumption for the ASIC is probably closer to 28watts. So the BitForce 25 GH/s SC will probably come closer to 145watts rather than your 216watt claim.

And the Single SC, which was advertised with 60GH/s, has now what? 50GH/s? 40GH/s? 0GH/s?

It is still advertised with 50GH/s, so let's take 50.

According to your calculation the 25GH/s unit needs 145 Watt. So the 50GH/s needs 290 Watt.

Both units have the same casing.

So this tiny heatsink dissipates 290 Watt of heat? LOL.

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Quote from: Syke on April 19, 2013, 12:47:05 AM

You can't compare the wattage on a BFL with an Avalon. An Avalon is a self-contained mining device. Add in the wattage for the laptop and the BFL is less efficient than an Avalon! ROFLMAO.

Except it's not. When you add in even 100w for a laptop, then plug in 10 BFL singles, suddenly that laptop only uses an extra 10w per single. There's no point to have 10 different hard drives, 10 wifi modules, etc. all of that can be taken care of with 1 mini computer (~$150 for a new one, running at ~50w with either windows or Linux).

Also, of you've only got 1 unit, run it off a RPi, and that only consumes, what, 10w or something rediculus? You could probably find a way to mount the Pi inside the jalapeño, and cut a hole out the back for Ethernet & additional power cord. Would certainly be an interesting project.

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Quote from: Frizz23 on April 20, 2013, 08:59:58 AM

Jalapeno (5 GH/s): 36 Watt
Little Single (30 GH/s): 216 Watt

216 Watt is roughly what the cooler of a 7970 GPU has to dissipate.

Now look at the cooling solutions:

The unit is called the "BitForce 25 GH/s SC" and it's 25Ghz not 30GHs. The 5GHs unit which consumes 32watts not 36watts most likely uses a few watts in driving the control electronics, USB port, fan if it has one etc. So it's real consumption for the ASIC is probably closer to 28watts. So the BitForce 25 GH/s SC will probably come closer to 145watts rather than your 216watt claim. That's of course assuming that the don't fix the power consumption issues in the next wafer/batch whatever before a BitForce 25 GH/s SC ships.

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Jalapeno (5 GH/s): 36 Watt
Little Single (30 GH/s): 216 Watt

216 Watt is roughly what the cooler of a 7970 GPU has to dissipate.

Now look at the cooling solutions:

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i hop to see them soon looking to buy but i believe people have been waiting over a year

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Quote from: Tamerz on April 20, 2013, 12:13:28 AM

Quote from: creativex on April 20, 2013, 12:01:04 AM

They may not care now, but if they don't receive their frankenminer for a few months they'll certainly care then as it's power consumption that determines how long mining equipment remains profitable. Josh and others attempting to pretty this turd up by saying it's still more efficient than Avalon are ignoring the fact that Avalons are real products that real miners are really using right now.

Not only that, but even if you have fixed electricity costs like I do, heat becomes a concern. More power = more heat.

So 32watts is going to break you? Or are you talking about some BFL model that has yet to have power consumption demonstrated?

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Quote from: creativex on April 20, 2013, 12:01:04 AM

They may not care now, but if they don't receive their frankenminer for a few months they'll certainly care then as it's power consumption that determines how long mining equipment remains profitable. Josh and others attempting to pretty this turd up by saying it's still more efficient than Avalon are ignoring the fact that Avalons are real products that real miners are really using right now.

Not only that, but even if you have fixed electricity costs like I do, heat becomes a concern. More power = more heat.

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Quote from: erk on April 19, 2013, 11:39:43 PM

Quote from: smoothie on April 19, 2013, 11:19:51 PM

Quote from: segfault88 on April 18, 2013, 10:20:14 PM

Seriously, I could care less exactly how many watts this thing uses - as long as it doesn't catch fire or melt itself as far as I'm concerned it is good to go! Get in production and ship me mine! Wasting a few more KW/H per month matters much less than the ramp up of difficulty that is going on now.

Typical noob. Don't care about power consumption just ship me my BFL magic box with lephrechauns gold and rainbows.

They missed their power mark by a huge factor and that doesn't phase you? Shit then they may as well have shipped gpu based mining equipment to satisfy your insatiable need to be fucked. Lol

What was the power mark for the demonstrated 5GHs unit that the missed by a "huge factor"?

BFL was peddling their fairy tale(lie) 1w/Gh/s across their entire product line for months. Kind of a big deal when you originally sell a product you claim does 4.5Gh/s @ 4.5w and then say you'll ship a product that does 5Gh/s but uses 6-7x that amount of power. These things won't be profitable nearly as long as was originally projected due to much higher power consumption, which makes it even more painful that they're 6 months late and counting.

Quote from: jspielberg on April 19, 2013, 11:53:11 PM

That being said... I think most miners don't give a rats behind how much power their asic miner uses (within reason) as long as it gets the hash rate what they want.

They may not care now, but if they don't receive their frankenminer for a few months they'll certainly care then as it's power consumption that determines how long mining equipment remains profitable. Josh and others attempting to pretty this turd up by saying it's still more efficient than Avalon are ignoring the fact that Avalons are real products that real miners are really using right now.

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