RoI is the fiction of the greedy.
No, it's entirely real. Did you miss the part where I told you my batch 2 avalon has paid for itself, In bitcoin?
I spent bitcoins I had because I wanted more bitcoins then I started with, and now,
I have them. If difficulty is 1,000,000,000 when you get your unit, simply REFUSE to sell at current prices that equal a loss. If more and more people do this, the pirice WILL rise.
Which doesn't matter if your goal was to increase the number of bitcoins you have. Which I told you, is the reason I bought an ASIC. Otherwise I would have just kept my bitcoins.
On the other hand, you are saying it's quite alright to fuck over the customer if there is such an artificially high demand and you charge then $1,000,000 for less hash than a mini-rig costing $30k. SURE you get them in hand NOW, but damn you got ass-raped in the process.
What the fuck are you talking about? In may of 2011 $1 million dollars could have bought you more then 1.5TH/s. If you'd kept the money the bitcoins you mined would probably be worth
$50-100 million dollars. The timing matters. In fact, I think, but I haven't done the math - if you'd spent $1 million dollars on GPUs in June of 2012 instead of spending $30k on a BFL mini-rig, you'd actually have already made a profit by now, given the price increase. That's the incredible irony of this. The people who ordered Mini-rigs at that point in time would have been better off buying GPUs.
I agree people shouldn't buy block erupters expecting to get an ROI. I think most people just buy them for fun.
Of course it's BFL's fault. They had faulty information because BFL withheld that information. That was no way to know what effect the other orders would have because BFL chose not to share that information with them. Which is why I decided not to order from them last year, and went with Avalon instead (I have a batch 2 that's already paid for itself in BTC)
Yet again, the greedy persons view of the world.
Again, are you smoking crack?
Why would someone want to just give free money to BFL in exchange for nothing of value? If they want to give to charity there are lot of worthwhile options.
If you're not a little greedy, there's no reason to care about bitcoin at all. There's no reason to care about money. If they weren't greedy they would never have bought ASICs in the first place. Why would they?
BFL is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
BFL is damned because their mistakes are in the past. There is nothing they can do now to rectify the situation, that's what happens. That's how time works. Mistakes can't always be undone, and the damned stay damned.
If you listen to the shills on the ASICMiner posts, RoI != profit. RoI is simply Return ON investment. EVERY MINER HAS AN ROI, some just have a HIGHER RoI than others. Using your flawed BTC argument, you'll never attain MORE BTC than you spend unless the network has reached saturation, so you should never again buy another new product.
I just told you. My Batch2 Avolon has already paid for itself, in BTC. And it certainly is true that no one should buy a pre-order at this point in time. Anyway people use "ROI" around here to mean
positive ROI. If you make less then you pay it's a negative ROI.
can't take any more ignorance.
Ignorance of what?
You're just spewing total nonsense.
You claim to be defending BFL, and yet you say they fucked their customers. You admit their customers will never ROI, and that BFL never intended for them too. You say the customers should have figured it out, and then you say their customers are only complaining because they're "greedy". Except if they weren't greedy they never would have bought an ASIC in the first place.
That's like saying you shouldn't complain about getting fucked because the only reason it hurt is because you're too uptight for the giant dick to fit comfortably in your asshole.
You're not defending BFL, certainly not in a way that would make sense to the people they fucked. We seem to agree on the facts, it's just you don't think there's anything wrong with ripping people off if they're "greedy" and stupid.
It's totally bizarre.
715/12 = 59.58333. They're not only not overclocked they're often slightly below spec, though they seem to love cold and I AM a lifelong Michigander after all. Looking forward to throwing some frosty Michigan winter air at them.
