I wonder how long butterflylabs.com is going to be down this time.
I'm sure it will come back online any time now.
Topic: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. (Read 18342 times)
April 25, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
April 23, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
The end...
Bitcoin startup Butterfly Labs settles with FTC for $38.6M, but it can’t pay
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/bitcoin-startup-butterfly-labs-settles-with-ftc-for-38-6m-but-it-cant-pay/
Bitcoin startup Butterfly Labs settles with FTC for $38.6M, but it can’t pay
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/bitcoin-startup-butterfly-labs-settles-with-ftc-for-38-6m-but-it-cant-pay/
http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
Still refusing?
Join the class action.
Still refusing?
Join the class action.
May 18, 2014, 03:29:07 AM
http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners
Still refusing?
Join the class action.
Still refusing?
Join the class action.
October 29, 2013, 08:42:50 PM
Butterfly Labs Customer? Please review your buying Experience with this company.Thank you
http://www.bitcoinsniper.com/asic-miners/butterfly-labs/
http://www.bitcoinsniper.com/asic-miners/butterfly-labs/
September 16, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
I got $5000 refunded: Someone has posted a new method that get's a refund from paypal within just a few hours with one email https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/need-a-paypal-refund-for-your-bfl-purchase-295187 - I got my $5,000 back the same day I mailed. BFL are known at very high level at Paypal now so this is a slam dunk refund.
August 01, 2013, 11:21:07 AM
Just to drive one of Phinn's points deeper into everybody's head:
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
Dear Big Fuckin' Liars
Thanking for informing me that you will no longer be providing PSUs with any of your Bitcoin miners and asking me if I would mine.
The answer is yes, I will mine, but it won't be with a BFL product. I look forward to my refund of which now I'm formally requesting.
Sincerely,
A Monumental Asshole
ama/ama
Good luck! I was able to get my refund for an order for two 50GHs units purchased in April and two 10 GHs upgrades purchased in June. Going to BFL for the refund was denied. Going though Paypal for the April unit was closed since it was too old but the upgrades did get refunded by opening a case with Paypal.
I called my credit card company (AMEX) to dispute the 2 units. They opened the dispute with Paypal and then Paypal provided the refund.
Hope things work out for you!
Even through the hell this guy had to obtain a simple little refund, he still had the compassion to wish BFL good tidings. That's a class act in my book.
To follow his lead I, too, hope things work out for you as you bleed through your funds in the form of refunds.
Remember folks, nobody moves up in queue position when the last one in is the one no longer awaiting BFL's Magically -ROI Black Box.
August 01, 2013, 09:31:52 AM
Just to drive one of Phinn's points deeper into everybody's head:
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
Dear Big Fuckin' Liars
Thanking for informing me that you will no longer be providing PSUs with any of your Bitcoin miners and asking me if I would mine.
The answer is yes, I will mine, but it won't be with a BFL product. I look forward to my refund of which now I'm formally requesting.
Sincerely,
A Monumental Asshole
ama/ama
Good luck! I was able to get my refund for an order for two 50GHs units purchased in April and two 10 GHs upgrades purchased in June. Going to BFL for the refund was denied. Going though Paypal for the April unit was closed since it was too old but the upgrades did get refunded by opening a case with Paypal.
I called my credit card company (AMEX) to dispute the 2 units. They opened the dispute with Paypal and then Paypal provided the refund.
Hope things work out for you!
July 31, 2013, 09:16:08 PM
Just to drive one of Phinn's points deeper into everybody's head:
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
Dear Big Fuckin' Liars
Thanking for informing me that you will no longer be providing PSUs with any of your Bitcoin miners and asking me if I would mine.
The answer is yes, I will mine, but it won't be with a BFL product. I look forward to my refund of which now I'm formally requesting.
Sincerely,
A Monumental Asshole
ama/ama
July 31, 2013, 06:35:23 PM
Just to drive one of Phinn's points deeper into everybody's head:
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
"Sales are final" does not apply unless there was an actual sale taking place. If you have not received your unit, there was no sale - only a (pre)order.
July 16, 2013, 06:05:10 AM
quote:
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Is she in Germany?
http://daniels.du.edu/faculty-staff/carol-johnson/
thats its a scam !
Call her and ask !
Only a identie thief ....
grüsse aus Deutschland
Has this been confirmed? If so, should the account be allowed to remain given it isn't who it claims to be?
July 16, 2013, 04:29:30 AM
quote:
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Is she in Germany?
http://daniels.du.edu/faculty-staff/carol-johnson/
thats its a scam !
Call her and ask !
Only a identie thief ....
grüsse aus Deutschland
July 15, 2013, 10:00:07 PM
quote:
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Is she in Germany?
http://daniels.du.edu/faculty-staff/carol-johnson/
July 15, 2013, 09:17:45 PM
quote:
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Is she in Germany?
July 15, 2013, 08:20:57 PM
quote:
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
Criminal Lawsuit against BFL in Germany [in progress]
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/criminal-lawsuit-against-bfl-in-germany-in-progress-256944
"Official documents of the german prosecutor will be released here soon.
Be patient."
"34 german customers gave me their identity and order IDs so far. None of them did receive any unit from BFL."
"I cant release all details yet. BFL got a german version of their website and through that their german sales apply to german laws. They get busted in germany if they have the ass to fly over to the court."
July 13, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
Let's see what kind of pussies BFL truly is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/petition-to-get-bf-labs-inc-to-sue-me-please-sign-255830
July 13, 2013, 08:31:01 PM
Started with strategies to get BFL or PayPal to issue refunds, but migrated to dinging them with the FTC, to calling the FBI, to posting PayPal contacts and phones.
At the end of the day, if you want a refund, your options seem to be:
-Begging BFL for a refund and/or alerting the FTC is the recourse for those that paid with BTC
-Call PayPal if within 45 days of purchase to trigger a refund.
-Call your Credit Card company if after 45 days from the pay date if used PayPal.
The deal about BFL not shipping within PayPal's shipping terms for vendors, well that's a clause between PayPal and the vendor. Non-compliance won't entitle the buyer to a refund beyond 45 days of purchase, just gives PayPal a reason to drop BFL from using their platform in future. Breach of a business contract is a civil matter between PayPal and BFL.
I understand folks are uber-upset at the prospect of receiving their unit when difficulty is incredibly high, but naturally, there were no representations from BFL with respect to this.
As things are, my two orders will arrive way too late.
At the end of the day, if you want a refund, your options seem to be:
-Begging BFL for a refund and/or alerting the FTC is the recourse for those that paid with BTC
-Call PayPal if within 45 days of purchase to trigger a refund.
-Call your Credit Card company if after 45 days from the pay date if used PayPal.
The deal about BFL not shipping within PayPal's shipping terms for vendors, well that's a clause between PayPal and the vendor. Non-compliance won't entitle the buyer to a refund beyond 45 days of purchase, just gives PayPal a reason to drop BFL from using their platform in future. Breach of a business contract is a civil matter between PayPal and BFL.
I understand folks are uber-upset at the prospect of receiving their unit when difficulty is incredibly high, but naturally, there were no representations from BFL with respect to this.
As things are, my two orders will arrive way too late.
As I see it, a BFL investor is able to get a refund (for now), but they have to jump through a myriad of hoops and heartaches to get it. At the end of the day, BFL is still out the same amount of money as if they were to kindly give the same exact refund when it was first asked for.
Ask yourself this: Are you more apt to spread cheers of a company that quickly gave a refund or one that told you "Sorry, Charlie, no refunds!" I assume the former, for the latter is a piece of shit type of company.
Bottom line, BFL will be out the same exact amount of money when people get their refunds the hard way at the expense of dragging the good name of Chris Vlesides (the KC photograpy, Sonny's step dad) to the ground, taking every single person currently working for BFL with him.
This Sonny Vleisides is one fucked up dude.
Butterfly Labs has not played nice from the get-go, and still to this day continues to stick it up their client's asses, eventually closing down shop and heading south.
BF Labs Ins. is nothing but a crock and should be avoided at all cost. This is not an opinion! This is fact that I am stating. Josh Zerlan has my full name and address on file so that BFL's lawyers can contact me if they too are not pussies.
July 13, 2013, 06:41:54 PM
Let's try and keep this thread on the first page for great justice
I see this thread has been moved into a dark corner of the basement. Why?
July 13, 2013, 05:12:15 PM
Started with strategies to get BFL or PayPal to issue refunds, but migrated to dinging them with the FTC, to calling the FBI, to posting PayPal contacts and phones.
At the end of the day, if you want a refund, your options seem to be:
-Begging BFL for a refund and/or alerting the FTC is the recourse for those that paid with BTC
-Call PayPal if within 45 days of purchase to trigger a refund.
-Call your Credit Card company if after 45 days from the pay date if used PayPal.
The deal about BFL not shipping within PayPal's shipping terms for vendors, well that's a clause between PayPal and the vendor. Non-compliance won't entitle the buyer to a refund beyond 45 days of purchase, just gives PayPal a reason to drop BFL from using their platform in future. Breach of a business contract is a civil matter between PayPal and BFL.
I understand folks are uber-upset at the prospect of receiving their unit when difficulty is incredibly high, but naturally, there were no representations from BFL with respect to this.
As things are, my two orders will arrive way too late.
At the end of the day, if you want a refund, your options seem to be:
-Begging BFL for a refund and/or alerting the FTC is the recourse for those that paid with BTC
-Call PayPal if within 45 days of purchase to trigger a refund.
-Call your Credit Card company if after 45 days from the pay date if used PayPal.
The deal about BFL not shipping within PayPal's shipping terms for vendors, well that's a clause between PayPal and the vendor. Non-compliance won't entitle the buyer to a refund beyond 45 days of purchase, just gives PayPal a reason to drop BFL from using their platform in future. Breach of a business contract is a civil matter between PayPal and BFL.
I understand folks are uber-upset at the prospect of receiving their unit when difficulty is incredibly high, but naturally, there were no representations from BFL with respect to this.
As things are, my two orders will arrive way too late.
July 13, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
I just got my refund from my order for 2x50gh units (Ordered mid-June). BFL refused, I contacted American Express and they were able to refund my account. My BFL order status now says that each unit has been refunded.
July 13, 2013, 04:43:44 PM
Let's try and keep this thread on the first page for great justice
I see this thread has been moved into a dark corner of the basement. Why?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=73.0
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