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Topic: BFL fucked us over again (redux) - page 3. (Read 100109 times)

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on December 09, 2015, 10:27:06 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 12:25:57 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on November 26, 2015, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 01:03:05 AM

Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

You can get on Reddit from anywhere in the world. I mean live in person in the United States. I go to a lot of conferences and used to see them all the time. I haven't seen them in over a year, since they did a no-show at the Vegas conference with Patrick Byrne. One of the Vegas conferences was where I met Bruno wearing a tutu. lol

Same conference, I met a bald headed fuck that reek of corned beef hash. Tongue

Tongue

Tongue

Tongue

Hum, I wonder who that sexy hunk of man was? lol

Gleb Gamow

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 12:25:57 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on November 26, 2015, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 01:03:05 AM

Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

You can get on Reddit from anywhere in the world. I mean live in person in the United States. I go to a lot of conferences and used to see them all the time. I haven't seen them in over a year, since they did a no-show at the Vegas conference with Patrick Byrne. One of the Vegas conferences was where I met Bruno wearing a tutu. lol

Same conference, I met a bald headed fuck that reek of corned beef hash. Tongue

Tongue

Tongue

Tongue

h@shKraker

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Quote from: Xian01 on December 07, 2015, 09:01:09 PM

Quote from: alterbcp19 on December 07, 2015, 08:44:06 PM

Quote from: noddy2000 on December 07, 2015, 01:38:39 PM

Because i see the woods, not the trees!

Damn, this guy clearly needs a bifocal prescription to see the woods AND the trees.

I bet he's real fun at parties.

Can we at least take some middle ground on his demeanor and talk about guns and religion Grin

Grin

H@shKraker

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: alterbcp19 on December 07, 2015, 08:44:06 PM

Quote from: noddy2000 on December 07, 2015, 01:38:39 PM

Because i see the woods, not the trees!

Damn, this guy clearly needs a bifocal prescription to see the woods AND the trees.

I bet he's real fun at parties.

alterbcp19

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Quote from: noddy2000 on December 07, 2015, 01:38:39 PM

Because i see the woods, not the trees!

Damn, this guy clearly needs a bifocal prescription to see the woods AND the trees.

noddy2000

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ELYSIAN | Pre-TGE 5.21.2018 | TGE 6.04.2018

Quote from: Xian01 on November 26, 2015, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 01:03:05 AM

Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

'So this "GAMER" setup poped up on my FB feed. by marcoux32 in WTF'
[–]Nitrowolf 1 point 7 days ago

'Razer mice suck, but their keyboard I have always had good luck with.'

WOW, Josh has NO CLUE! In 10-15 years NEVER had a issue with their mice. The keyboard, Headphones and EVERYTHING else have been nothing short of SHOCKING!

Someone shoot this guy please!

As for the BFL settling out of court,

TOLD YOU SO!

They get away scot free. Crime does pay when it's run by a mafia!!!

Wake up people, Jews own this world lol. For over 500+ years they have been slowly taking it over until now, they dominate east, west and now middle east. The whole world has been conned lol. But hey, i'm the crazy one for doing research and seeing things for what they are. So do the muslims but your all been told it's them lol.

Paris false flag has got UK + others bombing syria now. All because of bullshit ISIS/ISIL - AL-CIA-DA etc etc lol. Who we, Uk, America, Israel, Saudi Arabia fund! Oh yes we do!

Why you think i could spot these clowns so easy back in 2012, and the others. Because i see the woods, not the trees!

sbogovac

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I don't believe in denial.

Quote from: Searing on December 06, 2015, 02:56:29 AM

[...]I had a thought ....is the FTC going after JUST the BFL corp assets (ie btc)? and the folk that ran this scam's personal btc is protected ..their claim the bfl corp is liable?

if it is just BTC from BFL corp ..hell nothing left unless imho you can get the assets of the principals of the company that mined BTC with equip they held etc

anyway my current 'uh oh' moment of this 'asic soap opera'

Well:

1. This is a separate (DA vs. BFL) case and not the FTC vs. BFL case. In the case of the FTC; yes, the FTC is "going after" BFL corp. as is the job of the FTC. But rest assured, that does not mean there are no other (criminal and/or tax) cases to be expected against individuals.

2. In this specific case there is some bad news for the principals of BFL as there is a specific clause (33) that states: "this judgement shall not be dischargeable in any bankruptcy court proceeding"...

PS we had a great Saint Nicolas (december 5 & 6) weekend here! Grin

Grin

Searing

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Clueless!

Quote from: alterbcp19 on December 05, 2015, 11:43:19 PM

Section 17 "Defendant Butterfly Labs asserts that it has previously offered and paid millions of dollars in refunds to customers who requested them prior to the commencement of product manufacture."

BULLSHIT. What about the time before they started doing that? They were adamant about "all sales final" for MONTHS. And then when they sensed danger, they realized OVER A YEAR after pre-orders were placed that they needed to start providing refunds. Disgusting liars and thieves!

Section 22: "In instances of bitcoin purchases, Defendant shall refund the U.S. Currency equivalent at the time the purchase was made."

Now their whole scammy business model to acquire over 40,000 BTC can't happen again in JOCO. Whoopdiedoo. Scamming scumbags!

I had a thought ....is the FTC going after JUST the BFL corp assets (ie btc)? and the folk that ran this scam's personal btc is protected ..their claim the bfl corp is liable?

if it is just BTC from BFL corp ..hell nothing left unless imho you can get the assets of the principals of the company that mined BTC with equip they held etc

anyway my current 'uh oh' moment of this 'asic soap opera'

alterbcp19

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Section 17 "Defendant Butterfly Labs asserts that it has previously offered and paid millions of dollars in refunds to customers who requested them prior to the commencement of product manufacture."

BULLSHIT. What about the time before they started doing that? They were adamant about "all sales final" for MONTHS. And then when they sensed danger, they realized OVER A YEAR after pre-orders were placed that they needed to start providing refunds. Disgusting liars and thieves!

Section 22: "In instances of bitcoin purchases, Defendant shall refund the U.S. Currency equivalent at the time the purchase was made."

Now their whole scammy business model to acquire over 40,000 BTC can't happen again in JOCO. Whoopdiedoo. Scamming scumbags!

sbogovac

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I don't believe in denial.

Quote from: Xian01 on December 04, 2015, 06:36:14 PM

Well... Check out what arrived in the mail for me today.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbtxw0l53r0wfh3/BFL%20Case%2015CV06002.pdf?dl=1
[...]

Thanks again Chris,

Ah, a $100.000 fine, eh... I mean "deposit for expenses" in the 'Johnson County DA investigative fund'...

It's a (nice) start...

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Well... Check out what arrived in the mail for me today.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbtxw0l53r0wfh3/BFL%20Case%2015CV06002.pdf?dl=1

http://imgur.com/a/RFP5n

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: Day2Day on November 27, 2015, 11:13:27 AM

Why do you bother to attack them personally?
They have enough "issues" to point out as it is. No need to insult their children. (or lack of any children?) Huh

Huh

You must be new here... The folks at Butterfly Labs went out of their way to make things personal (doxxing their customers, for example).

Day2Day

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Why do you bother to attack them personally?

They have enough "issues" to point out as it is. No need to insult their children. (or lack of any children?) Huh

Huh

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Xian01 on November 26, 2015, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 01:03:05 AM

Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

You can get on Reddit from anywhere in the world. I mean live in person in the United States. I go to a lot of conferences and used to see them all the time. I haven't seen them in over a year, since they did a no-show at the Vegas conference with Patrick Byrne. One of the Vegas conferences was where I met Bruno wearing a tutu. lol

sbogovac

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I don't believe in denial.

Quote from: Xian01 on November 26, 2015, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 01:03:05 AM

Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

Ah, something about leopards and spots and so on... and I quote nitrowolf: "If you're [...] you're doing it wrong". Where have we heard that before...? Grin

Grin

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 26, 2015, 01:03:05 AM

Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so?

Josh Zerlan is still active on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/user/nitrowolf

QuestionAuthority

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Activity: 2156

Merit: 1393

You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Xian01 on November 25, 2015, 06:47:10 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 25, 2015, 09:35:27 AM

I talked to a guy at a conference I attended about the BFL fiasco. He claimed they gave up on US sales because of the bad press and set up shop overseas. They mainly sell to Chinese farms now.

This doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, I didn't understand how they could take all their equipment somewhere else either. Why not just move one state away and sell exclusively to foreign buyers. Probably just a rumor. Has anyone seen or heard from them in the last year or so? Could they be selling somewhere else? Do they have a web page in China? One of you must be Chinese because there seem to be so many Chinese on this forum.

Xian01

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 25, 2015, 09:35:27 AM

I talked to a guy at a conference I attended about the BFL fiasco. He claimed they gave up on US sales because of the bad press and set up shop overseas. They mainly sell to Chinese farms now.

This doesn't make any sense.

Paul Revere

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The Scamcoats are coming!

Maybe look in Texas. They might be down there hanging out with Josh Garza and his GAW Gang. Birds of a feather and all...

QuestionAuthority

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Quote from: sbogovac on November 25, 2015, 06:21:26 AM

Just noticed a few things:

1. If you take a look at BFL sales webpage: http://products.butterflylabs.com you'll notice BFL stopped Consumer-sales and switched to: "Available for Institutional Sales only". There must be a lot of people with deep pockets who are willing to give BFL a bucket-load of money... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

2. If you try to go to the BFL forums at: https://forums.butterflylabs.com the webpage seems to time out and gives me the error message: "Safari can't open the page [...] because the server where this page is located isn't responding. That must be a real inconvenience to all those people engaging in constructive discussions over there... Lips sealed

Lips sealed

I talked to a guy at a conference I attended about the BFL fiasco. He claimed they gave up on US sales because of the bad press and set up shop overseas. They mainly sell to Chinese farms now. I wonder if he's right? If BFL has attorneys handling everything for the US case against them and never had to appear, couldn't they just go set up shop somewhere else? Has anyone seen or heard from them lately?

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