Let's see what kind of pussies BFL truly is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/petition-to-get-bf-labs-inc-to-sue-me-please-sign-255830
Have you been sued yet PG?(You scoundrel!)
Topic: BFL refund through Paypal claim - page 3. (Read 15293 times)
(You scoundrel!)
Let's see what kind of pussies BFL truly is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/petition-to-get-bf-labs-inc-to-sue-me-please-sign-255830
The AUP folks might be able to address your issues:
(402)935-2223 Sheryl AUP Compliance
(402)935-2250 Katrina AUP Compliance
(402)935-2275 Lisa AUP Compliance
(402)935-2332 Julie Gonzales AUP Compliance
(402)935-5140 Alahandre Elise(?) AUP Compliance
AUP = Account Use Policy (If I recall correctly)
AUP = TOS enforcement (Terms Of Service)
(402)935-2255 Jasmine Account Review
(402)935-2256 Jamie Account Review
(402)935-2257 Jamie Account Review
(402)935-2328 Chris Account Review
(402)935-2333 Luke Account Review
(402)935-2239 Collin Fraud & Security Fraud Prevention
(402)935-2267 Mark Fraud & Security Trust & Safety
(402)935-2272 Michael Fraud & Security Protection Services
(402)935-2366 Suzanne Combes Brown Fraud & Security Risk Management Manager
(402)935-2368 Sheryl London Fraud & Security Protection Services: Senior Agent
(402)935-5134 Bill Gray Fraud & Security Internal Audit. Mountain View Office: 650-864-8046
(402)935-2015 Teresa Rains Charge Backs
(402)935-2141 Mikalea Charge Backs
(402)935-2152 Anna Charge Backs
(402)935-2189 Margaret Charge Backs
(402)935-2340 Debbie Charge Backs
(402)935-2223 Sheryl AUP Compliance
(402)935-2250 Katrina AUP Compliance
(402)935-2275 Lisa AUP Compliance
(402)935-2332 Julie Gonzales AUP Compliance
(402)935-5140 Alahandre Elise(?) AUP Compliance
AUP = Account Use Policy (If I recall correctly)
AUP = TOS enforcement (Terms Of Service)
(402)935-2255 Jasmine Account Review
(402)935-2256 Jamie Account Review
(402)935-2257 Jamie Account Review
(402)935-2328 Chris Account Review
(402)935-2333 Luke Account Review
(402)935-2239 Collin Fraud & Security Fraud Prevention
(402)935-2267 Mark Fraud & Security Trust & Safety
(402)935-2272 Michael Fraud & Security Protection Services
(402)935-2366 Suzanne Combes Brown Fraud & Security Risk Management Manager
(402)935-2368 Sheryl London Fraud & Security Protection Services: Senior Agent
(402)935-5134 Bill Gray Fraud & Security Internal Audit. Mountain View Office: 650-864-8046
(402)935-2015 Teresa Rains Charge Backs
(402)935-2141 Mikalea Charge Backs
(402)935-2152 Anna Charge Backs
(402)935-2189 Margaret Charge Backs
(402)935-2340 Debbie Charge Backs
PayPal turned down my refund within minutes. The reason stated was "This dispute closed because it was opened for more than 45 days after the transaction date or did not meet other filing criteria."
I contacted PayPal by phone and received the same response, even though I am a long-time account holder. PayPal did promise to contact BFL and ask them to ship my order--for whatever that's worth.
My next step has been to contact PayPal's fraud department to point out the blatant and ongoing violation of their terms of service for pre-order sales. I believe this is BFL's Achilles heel. BFL needs PayPal.
FYI: [email protected]
The PayPal rep I spoke with agreed with my assessment that BFL is violating the TOS.
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From PayPal's FAQ:
Does PayPal permit transactions for pre-sale items?
A pre-sale item is advertised for sale before the seller actually has the item. Often, these items are sold before they are available to the general public.
A seller might use the money from the pre-sale of an item to purchase the item.
PayPal permits pre-sales on a limited basis as long as the seller:
Guarantees shipment within 20 days from the date of purchase.
Clearly identifies the item as a pre-sale.
Provides proof, if needed, that they can successfully deliver the product (supplier information, purchase invoices, shipping information, or delivery confirmation).
Does PayPal permit transactions for pre-sale items?
A pre-sale item is advertised for sale before the seller actually has the item. Often, these items are sold before they are available to the general public.
A seller might use the money from the pre-sale of an item to purchase the item.
PayPal permits pre-sales on a limited basis as long as the seller:
Guarantees shipment within 20 days from the date of purchase.
Clearly identifies the item as a pre-sale.
Provides proof, if needed, that they can successfully deliver the product (supplier information, purchase invoices, shipping information, or delivery confirmation).
I don't expect to ever receive a product from BFL, but I'm not laying down for them.
Let's keep the pressure on PayPal and maybe they can help BFL find their checkbook.
http://www.ic3.gov/faq/default.aspx
Q: Can I file a complaint if I have been victimized by an individual or company in the United States, but I am not a citizen of the United States?
If one of the two parties involved is located within the United States, please feel free to file a complaint.
Q: Can I file a complaint if I have been victimized by an individual or company in the United States, but I am not a citizen of the United States?
If one of the two parties involved is located within the United States, please feel free to file a complaint.
If you still haven't charged back your credit card / paypal / contacted the FTC, what's your reason?
It's clear these guys aren't shipping Singles and are full of shit
They can't even finish their day 1 order, lol
Because they are stupid&delusional, I'd say?It's clear these guys aren't shipping Singles and are full of shit
They can't even finish their day 1 order, lol
Three letters: R O I
and three more: L O L
and three more: L O L
If you still haven't charged back your credit card / paypal / contacted the FTC, what's your reason?
It's clear these guys aren't shipping Singles and are full of shit
They can't even finish their day 1 order, lol
It's clear these guys aren't shipping Singles and are full of shit
They can't even finish their day 1 order, lol
For those of you with significant preorders "investments" with BFL, I'd suggest you'd seek refunds soon through whichever avenue you choose. You want to be at the front of the refund line and not at the end. Soon the company will be looted and then protected by bankruptcy laws. It will then be unlikely you will see your funds nor any miner.
This.
got my money back through paypal refund. 
dates aside, how many of the products have they shipped as a percentage vs what they've sold? They never stopped taking orders once they started did they? Have they shipped more than 5% of their orders?
~ 10-15% of Jal
~0-0.5% of SC
~0-0.5% of Little SC
~ 1% of MiniRigs
So of total orders they would be above 5% but by not much
dates aside, how many of the products have they shipped as a percentage vs what they've sold? They never stopped taking orders once they started did they? Have they shipped more than 5% of their orders?
Then comes the 24th, 25th, 26th, etc....
All the way up to the 1st and then it starts all over again. (times 12x)
Yeesh, these BFL customers have the patience of Buddah!
All the way up to the 1st and then it starts all over again. (times 12x)
Yeesh, these BFL customers have the patience of Buddah!
One single a day goes out their door
They have actually done more than that, it's a bit deceptive, although Jody's status report says that they are still shipping single orders from June 23rd. 2012, there were hundreds of the things ordered that day, and they have almost shipped them all, they reckon a day or two to finish the 23rd. off.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/227-wednesday-july-10-2013-shipping-update.html
One single a day goes out their door
Solitude is a bit strident.
Don't know if you intended it or not, but this gets the Oxymoron of Day Award.NOTE: NO! I am not calling k9quaint a moron! If unsure, look up the word. Thank you.
One could be alone (solitude) in a harmonica factory running at full tilt (strident). So technically, not a contradiction in terms (oxymoron).
Okay, let's review the day.
There's apparently some internecine conflict going on in Shenzen involving Avalon. It's not clear yet what that's about, except there looks to be somewhere between 300K and 2 million chips sitting around, depending on calculations and assumptions.
Bitfury is selling imminently in EU and USA, at around 50 bucks a GH for delivery next month. Good luck to all.
BFL is, well, who knows.
I'm checking out for a couple days. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, far as I can tell.
See ya.
There's apparently some internecine conflict going on in Shenzen involving Avalon. It's not clear yet what that's about, except there looks to be somewhere between 300K and 2 million chips sitting around, depending on calculations and assumptions.
Bitfury is selling imminently in EU and USA, at around 50 bucks a GH for delivery next month. Good luck to all.
BFL is, well, who knows.
I'm checking out for a couple days. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, far as I can tell.
See ya.
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