BFL SC / Jally first picture? - page 12.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 05:18:57 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 05:12:48 PM

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

right, but in the moment we speak only about BFL because they did start with this ASIC discussion months ago! the others will follow to be discused. but be fair give them the whole amount of time wich we gave BFL too. BTW I know only bASIC doesn't know a other with a ASIC product anouncment.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dbrclmr-deepbit-reclaimer-asics-108375

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Correct.

BFL is however the most discussed and speculated on this forum and therefore it is a good example of what could be a scam.

I would not invest in any other companies or groups here announcing an ASIC because they have not provided proof either.

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Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 05:12:48 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 05:01:56 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:57:14 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

give me, us and the community a proof that BFL has an custom ASIC chip developed and produced. it is up to BFL to clearify the situation if they are customer oriented which I hope! only one proof, a photo, a prototype something like this. no big deal!

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

right, but in the moment we speak only about BFL because they did start with this ASIC discussion months ago! the others will follow to be discused. but be fair give them the whole amount of time wich we gave BFL too. BTW I know only bASIC doesn't know a other with a ASIC product anouncment.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 05:01:56 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:57:14 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

give me, us and the community a proof that BFL has an custom ASIC chip developed and produced. it is up to BFL to clearify the situation if they are customer oriented which I hope! only one proof, a photo, a prototype something like this. no big deal!

Umm you know there have virtually no information about the bASIC or Reclaimer series of ASICs, except for price, estimated performance, and estimated ship dates. 3 different companies have all announced ASICs, they've all 3 announced pre-orders, and all 3 are within about 20% of each other's performance. Yet here, only BFL gets to be the lucky scapegoat. I don't see you calling the other 2 "non-customer oriented". I don't see you asking those other 2 for proof. Other's have, and I konw Tom spend pages upon pages refusing to show any proof of his bASIC. Is he a con too? If you have done either of these, I take my comment back, but I just don't understand all the BFL hate.

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Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:57:14 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

give me, us and the community a proof that BFL has an custom ASIC chip developed and produced. it is up to BFL to clearify the situation if they are customer oriented which I hope! only one proof, a photo, a prototype something like this. no big deal!

EDIT: and I mean a photo of the new ASIC board not of the old FPGA board here: http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=CtqlKFjhUUL-5KsHa-gaoyoHwDf-P3ZgD_-er7UC36q-6exABIMekoB1Q2_SVo_z_____AWCVwpmCrAegAem6iuMDyAECqAMByAPdBKoEYE_Qt6NC-P6r89hTGZAdBVz9cyrbwo9L1LOf93mZ8RzBAmMfUQUHeyKRP3GfhULOcF7vkTVwF3xsizOVbtlcUpsEjuiVTkYg26Ujr_Kmi45kl9w8EKln8CSjoaD9-Sc35ogGAaAGAg&num=1&cid=5Ghoqpc_VeYfjYtIxMwH_XHg&sig=AOD64_14gFQ-xSbRHs9lk2_OYjkwdnofLw&client=ca-pub-7496764558485520&adurl=http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/&nm=4&nx=396&ny=33&mb=2&clkt=103&jca=8274&bg=!AwcTv5DvAgAAAAoqAJJ3Vw5YIumPRGq5uJaaztLtHEYbfz0-DX0WEpMMopP3c5rI30adeuSec29eSwg80AphHqQjRFJ9uYMfQ9Cf30opgmcktuU9HLHHOzHCUS7IkSMxULjIvOFutCvRAmuiFM0WZRgqEK_uHA-FKCDftKXCYAdy63ZaThQtVROb4UppfFF7YJzGmtEgoAK-FwAyH3Re7A

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders isnothing other than a ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

I don't think that work means you you think it means. Please stop throwing around scary words that aren't even applicable. Pirate ran a ponzi, that much is true. In fact he ran a pretty textbook example of a ponzi. EVEN IF all these accusation are true, and BFL is one giant elaborate, year long, multi-million dollar con, it can't even be considered a ponzi in any way.

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Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 04:23:19 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet.

exactly! until now BFL ASIC products with all the preorders is nothing other than a ponzi scheme until there is a real proof that a BFL ASIC exist.

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Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

How exactly can Wal-Mart rip you off if you're receiving an actual product that works?

There is no sign that BFL has a working ASIC product as of yet. And why would they use deceptive marketing? That's a really bad practice.

Another good point that is in fact true is that BFL did not develop the FPGA on their own. Someone can easily buy that chip from the supplier for BFL.

In the case of ASICs however, BFL does not have a supplier and is therefore dependent on developing the ASIC themselves. The FPGAs were different, some other company developed them.

Knowing that one can state that BFL may not have the experience needed to fully develop an ASIC. The FPGA single is not CUSTOM at all.

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Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 03:58:18 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 03:50:35 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 03:48:42 PM

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototyp as BFL mentioned?

Nope, but I got a FPGA Single in the mail. That was just to convince me they're a real company so I'll buy more ASICs, amiright? Those evil bastards at BFL are geniuses!

did pirateat40 payout interest in the early days of his business? yes or no?

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Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM

There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

So you agree with me. You're going to start shopping exclusively at Wal-Mart too?

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There's a reason why they call it the "long-con"

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 15, 2012, 03:50:35 PM

Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 03:48:42 PM

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototyp as BFL mentioned?

Nope, but I got a FPGA Single in the mail. That was just to convince me they're a real company so I'll buy more ASICs, amiright? Those evil bastards at BFL are geniuses!

I suppose Newegg is probably doing the same thing" building both their brand name and a customer base over years of good products and quality support at decent prices, just so they can rip me off later on down the road. You've convinced me. From now on I'm only going to shop for computer parts at Wal-Mart, where I can see and hold what I'm buying in my hand!

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Quote from: crazyates on September 15, 2012, 03:48:42 PM

LOL you two crack me up!

did you receive a ASIC prototype as BFL mentioned?

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Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 03:37:05 PM

They used the picture of an FPGA single because they want people to believe they have a working product and for people to order the product, when they probably have NOTHING done at all yet.

I bet they won't even come up with a working product, and rather run with everyone's BTC and money and all trade ins.

Isn't that a smart idea for a scammer? Get people to trust them by shipping out FPGAs that are working, pretend they have an ASIC coming and wait for the trade ins and just run?

We've already seen it. They're deceptive and trying to trick people.

They really probably don't even have the investment capital to fully design and develop an ASIC. It's a joke.

So unless they really come out this is what my thoughts are. Don't pre order unless you can find a WORKING product. There's no guarantees they will follow through with it, and we have absolutely no proof they are working on the product, no pictures or anything.

absolutely true! maybe the next major scam in the Bitcoin history!

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LOL you two crack me up!

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For those of you who are concerned about the recent rise in difficulty, you wont have to worry for long. As soon as the trade-ins are lifted and BFL (and cablepair) disappears into the mist, hash power will drop right back down to the pre-FPGA days.

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Quote from: CJGoodings on September 15, 2012, 03:42:23 PM

Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 03:37:05 PM

They used the picture of an FPGA single because they want people to believe they have a working product and for people to order the product, when they probably have NOTHING done at all yet.

I bet they won't even come up with a working product, and rather run with everyone's BTC and money and all trade ins.

Isn't that a smart idea for a scammer? Get people to trust them by shipping out FPGAs that are working, pretend they have an ASIC coming and wait for the trade ins and just run?

We've already seen it. They're deceptive and trying to trick people.

They really probably don't even have the investment capital to fully design and develop an ASIC. It's a joke.

So unless they really come out this is what my thoughts are. Don't pre order unless you can find a WORKING product. There's no guarantees they will follow through with it, and we have absolutely no proof they are working on the product, no pictures or anything.

This is what people have been saying since the begining, all these supposed ASIC sellers are full of shit.

Yep, so I'll just continue with actual working products, such as GPUs and FPGAs. Those are existant, ASICs for bitcoins are not physically existant at the moment.

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Quote from: aqrulesms on September 15, 2012, 03:37:05 PM

They used the picture of an FPGA single because they want people to believe they have a working product and for people to order the product, when they probably have NOTHING done at all yet.

I bet they won't even come up with a working product, and rather run with everyone's BTC and money and all trade ins.

Isn't that a smart idea for a scammer? Get people to trust them by shipping out FPGAs that are working, pretend they have an ASIC coming and wait for the trade ins and just run?

We've already seen it. They're deceptive and trying to trick people.

They really probably don't even have the investment capital to fully design and develop an ASIC. It's a joke.

So unless they really come out this is what my thoughts are. Don't pre order unless you can find a WORKING product. There's no guarantees they will follow through with it, and we have absolutely no proof they are working on the product, no pictures or anything.

This is what people have been saying since the begining, all these supposed ASIC sellers are full of shit.

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They used the picture of an FPGA single because they want people to believe they have a working product and for people to order the product, when they probably have NOTHING done at all yet.

I bet they won't even come up with a working product, and rather run with everyone's BTC and money and all trade ins.

Isn't that a smart idea for a scammer? Get people to trust them by shipping out FPGAs that are working, pretend they have an ASIC coming and wait for the trade ins and just run?

We've already seen it. They're deceptive and trying to trick people.

They really probably don't even have the investment capital to fully design and develop an ASIC. It's a joke.

So unless they really come out this is what my thoughts are. Don't pre order unless you can find a WORKING product. There's no guarantees they will follow through with it, and we have absolutely no proof they are working on the product, no pictures or anything.

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Look at the FAQ page. It gives the dimensions of the SC single, I believe its the exact same dimensions as the revision 3. 4x 4x 3, I believe..

They also state that they will try to put together as many machines as possible to be sent out at once. So, the first shipment will most likely be the first of November.. They also clarified their 1/3 rule for the first month orders...

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