Topic: BFL SC / Jally first picture? - page 11. (Read 26252 times)

If it's a HardCopy it really won't be a SC Single, since the performance won't even be in the same league as the 40GH/s they're advertising. Getting 3.5GH/s out of a bus powered coffee warmer would be a pipe dream.


BFL has claimed the SC products will use the same or less power than the current equivalent FPGA product. If memory serve the power draw of the MR is under 1200W, so 1TH/s@1200W would be 833MH/J.  I'd hardly consider a bet claiming BFL will reach at least 42% of the power efficiency they promised in the first products some time between now and July 2013 to be BFL delivering. It's actually worse than that since the bet states they'll use the DC power input, not the power at the wall. The Minirig SC could draw 3kW at the wall and still satisfy that bet.

I think you should bet against that guy who put 50 BTC up for believing in BFL's ability to deliver:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/50-btc-bet-that-bfl-asic-will-do-350-mhashswatt-or-more-ie-mhashjoule-109357
http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=665
If you are right that BFL is a scam, you will make money



Why is it deceptive? You too take pre-orders for a product of roughly similar performance at a similar price... ?

anyone know why I can order a single with DWOLLA but can't make a pre-order with DWOLLA?

I agree. Some folks seem to be "hoping" that BFL does not deliver (perhaps it is fear of obsolescence of their FPGA and GPU investments). I think BFL will deliver (perhaps late, perhaps on time). I see no reason to think otherwise.

Look, I am not exactly a BFL cheerleader, but if the SC is an Altera HardCopy then the PCBs will be the same.  Well, technically BFL will have no reason to change the PCB design -- I guess they could change it for fun if they wanted to.

However, the heat pipe doesn't make sense.  They shouldn't need anything remotely close to that if they deliver on the power claims they've made.

What addresses do the payments come from? 

They sell products that do not exist while pretending that they do.
They promise 1000 MH/s @ 20 W and deliver 832 MHs @ 80 W.
They promise 4-6 weeks and can't deliver a single item within that timeframe in 6+ months.

You see, it has nothing to do with "the man", etc. It has everything to do with their shady business practices.


I say it encourages better business practices.

Ah, thank you for this. Felt a little like some political ad where it doesn't have a "paid for by" disclaimer.

Yes, BFL_Josh is buying sig space.

Listen, I have no personal love for BFL. I get why people want to hate them, down with the man and all that. They come into the BTC world, dominate the FPGA market, and now the ASIC market, with the best MHs/$ products. People think they're stifling competition. I understand why people don't want a monopoly, but in a free market, where anything can go, they can sell whatever they want, for whatever price they want. You as a customer can buy, or not buy.

People are boycotting BFL to put their money into someone else's (not BFL's) product, thinking they're encouraging competition. I say that discourages market growth. If BFL offers the best product at the best price, then they get my money. I have ordered from them in the past, have orders with them now, and will order from them again in the future (most likely). If someone else can come along and offer a better product at a better price, then you can bet your ass I'll buy from them. Free market.

I don't know his opinion on BFL, but I also think Graet has a pretty good idea of what BTC needs to better become widely adopted: more businesses accepting Bitcoin. Bit-pay has done leaps and bounds to bridge that gap and start making that possible. I don't want to go through a stock exchange to purchase a pre-order. I want to go to a company's website, make a purchase, and when it comes time to pay for my product, I buy with Bitcoins. BFL does this. Bitcoinasic.com does this. Any other company that offers this in a streamlined fashion will also get more of my business. Can you imagine of Newegg accepted BTC? FrozenCPU? Paypal? Amazon?

In the public's eye, Bitcoin can't be made famous for scandals, cons, and small time forum trades (as much as I love the Marketplace subforum). If every single major bitcoin company turns into a scam/con, what does that say for the average bitcoin user? What does that say to a potential adopter? Pirate's already done enough to the market, both past, present, and future (note: I never got into that pirate business. Always seemed fishy to me).

K I'm done with my little mental vomit. Take care.

Where on their website did you see a link to this ad ? or was it a BFL representative that posted it in the forum ?

Finally, good to see theres others on this forum with their eyes open. The long con, raise your reputation with one wave, then when wave #2 comes around; time to break out with all the btc & fgpa trade-ins leaving the customers with dick. The people that are backing BFL are acting exactly the same way people would act when somebody would call pirate out for the douchebag scammer he is before things went south, the channel itself was a total homofest filled with ball guzzling to the max. The only reason somebody would act like this is due to either a payoff, or that they've invested way to much to believe in anything that may differ from what they were told by .

Before you start complaining about the company being to big, or having to much rep, need i remind you about pirate? Up to 5 million usd stolen, and perfect rep before the payouts died ....

Yeah, looks to be an ad campaign.  Is BFL not selling as many pre-orders as they hoped? 

There's a thread where Josh is soliciting user sig space for ads.

Edit:  Found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-your-signature-space-105853

I.D.I.O.T.S.   I.N.   T.H.I.S.    T.H.R.E.A.D.


Sorry but no other way to describe it

Yeah, this has really been surprising me. Crazyates, are you getting some kick backs for the ad in your sig? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just curious.

Also, psy is another one. Any incentive for you?

So all those shipped FPGA parts are nothing but words?  I mean, there are certainly questions about BFL's progress with ASIC, but they are a real company that has real products and has been shipping them to consumers.

Yeah, if they indeed come out with a working product then I will buy from them.

Meanwhile the people arguing for BFL have nothing but to hope they come with a product because they pre-ordered without thinking it through.

Why would BFL even have pre-orders?  It's because they didn't have enough money to even develop an ASIC.  Think about it, if only 100 people pre ordered for ASICs and no one else they would never come out with a product.

The Bitcoin community has made BFL rich on nothing but words.  It is irrelevant whether or not they develop an ASIC .  BFL has won.  There are even people sucking BFLs balls in their signatures praising them for a product which doesn't even exist yet.

No no no. They will ship the ASICs alright, and then they will start scamming customers with the money made from their next product line. Although a different tactic could be employed, where they also ship this next product line, and THEN pull the plug. It's god damn brilliant if you ask me.

thank you, I saw it already but thought it is based on BFL or bASIC and isn't an own product of Tycho. I suppose we have to wait 6 months and then the situation would be clearer.