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Topic: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) - page 10. (Read 58202 times)

legendary
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November 22, 2013, 03:32:16 PM
I used to think MPOE-PR was rude but worth listening to...
I already had that username on ignore, so came to the not listening decision long ago. I had to unhide to see what this thread was about.

I initially thought from the title that someone was at fault and wanted to be paid winnings from a bet they didn't enter in time.

This is not the case, the money was sent to the site, delayed in confirmation and not entered into a bet, and then kept by the site operator. Stolen.

The "terms" that allege that the owner can do this are unconscionable, and no court of law would find on the side of the site owner. Scammer tags deserved.

We need not just a user reputation, but a site reputation feature. It's pretty amazing looking at old forum posts and old correspondence how just about everyone has turned 'scammer' and run.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
November 22, 2013, 03:09:30 PM
I used to think MPOE-PR was rude but worth listening to nevertheless, now I think he/she/it is just nasty, unscrupulous, and dishonest. I'm never using any service remotely associated with MPOE-PR and I hope others follow suit. It is mind boggling that that Bitbet's (and it's shareholders/representatives) response to this situation is to insult and berate snackman and anyone who dare come to his defense rather than just refund his bet and reconsider its policies, like any business that cares about its reputation and longevity would. This is not the behavior of an honest company but rather of scammers and bullies.

You are ugly and your mother dresses you funny.
sr. member
Activity: 342
Merit: 250
November 22, 2013, 02:40:23 PM
I used to think MPOE-PR was rude but worth listening to nevertheless, now I think he/she/it is just nasty, unscrupulous, and dishonest. I'm never using any service remotely associated with MPOE-PR and I hope others follow suit. It is mind boggling that that Bitbet's (and it's shareholders/representatives) response to this situation is to insult and berate snackman and anyone who dare come to his defense rather than just refund his bet and reconsider its policies, like any business that cares about its reputation and longevity would. This is not the behavior of an honest company but rather of scammers and bullies.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
November 22, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
The site sucks in the first place. Why not model it after InTrade`s site, where users can sale stakes in their position? For example, if there is only 10 minutes left and an outcome looks almost certain to happen, you can sale a $0.01 position that states it won`t happen. Have each stake settle at $10 so if you`re right, you would then win $9.99, but if you`re wrong, you only lose $0.01. Likewise, if something is almost certain to happen, you can buy such a stake for $9.99, but then you only stand to gain $0.01 if you`re right. You can adjust the amounts accordingly depending on how likely/unlikely you believe an outcome to be until the last minute. Didn`t anyone use Intrade?

It`s preposterous to hear anyone affiliated with this site claim that users such as the OP are trying to `scam` other users by betting at the last minute. That`s how BitBet`s POS system is designed, for christs sake.

If the site owners are concerned, then they shoulder the burden of fixing it, not the users.

This was done to death. Read more, opine less.

I'll rephrase, because we disagree on the definition of 'placed': I initiated transfer of my bet before the satisfaction of the bet statement. This could be verified by coinjedi if he timestamps transfer requests on Bets of Bitcoin.

We don't "disagree". You're trying to introduce the moment when you signed the check as relevant in the discussion. Your payment happens once the bank has received it, not before.

What you meant to do, and what you thought were doing are immaterial in this discussion. Nobody has the time, or the interest, nor could ever be paid enough to care.

All that matters is what you do. Learn this already.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
November 22, 2013, 02:25:44 PM
It`s preposterous to hear anyone affiliated with this site claim that users such as the OP are trying to `scam` other users by betting at the last minute. That`s how BitBet`s POS system is designed, for christs sake.

If the site owners are concerned, then they shoulder the burden of fixing it, not the users.
Well put.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
snack of all trades
November 22, 2013, 02:10:02 PM
It`s preposterous to hear anyone affiliated with this site claim that users such as the OP are trying to `scam` other users by betting at the last minute. That`s how the BitBet`s POS system is designed, for christs sake.

If the site owners are concerned, then they shoulder the burden of fixing it, not the users.

This, a thousand times.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
snack of all trades
November 22, 2013, 02:09:12 PM
How would I have won "because my transfer was delayed"? I placed my bet before the satisfaction of the bet statement.

No, you have not.

If you had, your bet would have been refunded.

It's one thing to be clueless, it's another to lie about it.
I'll rephrase, because we disagree on the definition of 'placed': I initiated transfer of my bet before the satisfaction of the bet statement. This could be verified by coinjedi if he timestamps transfer requests on Bets of Bitcoin.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 253
November 22, 2013, 02:07:05 PM
The site sucks in the first place. Why not model it after InTrade`s site, where users can sale stakes in their position? For example, if there is only 10 minutes left and an outcome looks almost certain to happen, you can sale a $0.01 position that states it won`t happen. Have each stake settle at $10 so if you`re right, you would then win $9.99, but if you`re wrong, you only lose $0.01. Likewise, if something is almost certain to happen, you can buy such a stake for $9.99, but then you only stand to gain $0.01 if you`re right. You can adjust the amounts accordingly depending on how likely/unlikely you believe an outcome to be until the last minute. Didn`t anyone use Intrade?

It`s preposterous to hear anyone affiliated with this site claim that users such as the OP are trying to `scam` other users by betting at the last minute. That`s how BitBet`s POS system is designed, for christs sake.

If the site owners are concerned, then they shoulder the burden of fixing it, not the users.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
nearly dead
November 22, 2013, 01:53:08 PM

If you would have won because your TXID was delayed, or in a manner that which you would have got the "WIN" because of this problem, I think you would be satisfied, and not calling him a scammer.

So stop trying to get money back because of your incoherence.


So many errors in a single quote.. let's list few of them.

You can't have a TXID delayed, just because the ID there stands for IDentifier. What you can get is a transaction that either takes some time to CONFIRM or does not confirm at all, which is a different matter and unrelated to what you are trying to claim. After broadcasting a transaction, BitBet would take just a few seconds to notice the transaction, but it would wait till it got confirmed in order to accept the bet.

So, no, the imaginary situation you are pointing out doesn't exist. Time to learn a bit more about bitcoins.

No one here is trying to get the money back on a bet that was lost.

The OP didn't start this thread to call the service a scam.

Why would him stop trying to get his bitcoins back ?
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
November 22, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
How would I have won "because my transfer was delayed"? I placed my bet before the satisfaction of the bet statement.

No, you have not.

If you had, your bet would have been refunded.

It's one thing to be clueless, it's another to lie about it.
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
snack of all trades
November 22, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
And if they did this exact same thing to you @OP

And you won the bet would you be complaining?

I didn't think so... Take it as a loss and go cry in a corner Smiley
I don't understand - please be more clear about your hypothetical situation.

If you don't understand, it's because you don't understand proper English... Let's put this into children form shall we?
Rude.

If you would have won because your TXID was delayed, or in a manner that which you would have got the "WIN" because of this problem, I think you would be satisfied, and not calling him a scammer.

So stop trying to get money back because of your incoherence.

#ScammerTag #SnackMan #REQUESTED
How would I have won "because my transfer was delayed"? I placed my bet before the satisfaction of the bet statement.
newbie
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Merit: 0
November 22, 2013, 01:39:00 PM
FYI: mods don't do scammertags anymore. feel free to negtrust someone WITH HARD EVIDENCE.
hero member
Activity: 683
Merit: 500
November 22, 2013, 01:30:39 PM
And if they did this exact same thing to you @OP

And you won the bet would you be complaining?

I didn't think so... Take it as a loss and go cry in a corner Smiley
I don't understand - please be more clear about your hypothetical situation.

If you don't understand, it's because you don't understand proper English... Let's put this into children form shall we?


If you would have won because your TXID was delayed, or in a manner that which you would have got the "WIN" because of this problem, I think you would be satisfied, and not calling him a scammer.

So stop trying to get money back because of your incoherence.

#ScammerTag #SnackMan #REQUESTED
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
November 22, 2013, 01:27:27 PM
Well that's simply not true, but I guess you'll find that out in a courtroom.  Have fun.  Wink

Gotta stand for something in this life.
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
snack of all trades
November 22, 2013, 01:26:27 PM
And if they did this exact same thing to you @OP

And you won the bet would you be complaining?

I didn't think so... Take it as a loss and go cry in a corner Smiley
I don't understand - please be more clear about your hypothetical situation and consider being less rude.
hero member
Activity: 683
Merit: 500
November 22, 2013, 01:24:02 PM
And if they did this exact same thing to you @OP

And you won the bet would you be complaining?

I didn't think so... Take it as a loss and go cry in a corner Smiley
member
Activity: 103
Merit: 10
November 22, 2013, 01:06:13 PM
anybody who uses bitbet.us after reading this thread has got to have stockholm syndrome. the owner, or whoever this douchebag representing the site is, clearly does not respect his customer base.

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Because fuck you, that's why. What more do you need?

your site must not be doing well, if 10btc means this much to you.

get fucked, bitbet
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
November 22, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
Having a policy also does not give bitbet the right to steal funds, the same as it wouldn't give bitbet the right to murder people.  Wrong and unlawful is still wrong and unlawful regardless of what policy you have in place.

Except murdering people falls under the jurisdiction of fiat courts, whereas BitBet is its own jurisdiction, stemming from the complete immunity of all things Bitcoin to all things fiat.
Well that's simply not true, but I guess you'll find that out in a courtroom.  Have fun.  Wink
sr. member
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Merit: 250
November 22, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
OP has done mistake by trusting and making a big amount bet with bitbet.us.

But whatever it's morally wrong to keep someone's hard earned money just because he forgot something.
We are humans and humans do mistakes.

@MPOE, Did you have ever seen someone keeping other peoples car because they forgot to read "no parking" warning?

No.

It's also sad that a staff member is taking side of accused party.

All the people who think that MOPE should keep this users BTC are pathetic assholes, I will hope someone will do the same thing with them someday.

I have read whole thread and seriously people are acting like 12 year old kids.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
November 22, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Testimonium nihil ad rem et ad absurdum est. BitBet delenda est.

You know delenda is a feminine form?
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