Topic: Bitcoin Doesn’t Exist, Or How Satoshi Nakamoto Tells Lies To People - page 2. (Read 1154 times)

As I said already, it is impossible for me to sent you BTC. It is impossible also for Satoshi. That's why he, that is, his software, only sends statements about BTC. Like I did above for Donald Trump. Stop beating a dead horse and simply accept the fact that there is no such thing as Bitcoin.

Right, I'll believe you when you can show me the transaction ID on the software, not here on this forum. That kind of "declaration" would be enough for me if I can view in a block explorer or the wallet software that it has declared some blocks or confirmation.

Otherwise, I don't believe you, you have not sent me any BTC.

If you'd like, send me a PM and I can give you an address not in my profile and I will confirm if you send any BTC to that address.

Zero exists as a concept in the human mind for no quantity that you can represent with a symbol, "0", for example.

Bitcoin exists as a concept in the human mind that is represented with symbols "BTC", and whose quantity is written in the blockchain. In the same way, in my mind I can create the concept of a thousand Donald Trumps and represent it with symbols "DTR", and "1,000" in some database. Then, we can buy and sell Donald Trump.

im not going to requote its getting long.


Does zero exist?      ( 0 )..   ?  Does it exist when I write it?  Does it exist if I only think about it?  Does it exist if I don't think or write about it?

As a representation of nothing or lack of something. How does this work, if I write 10? 

I mean I wrote 0  but I can't have written 0 if it means nothing at all?

2 things that cant exist but clearly we can think about them  0 and Infinities.  and my favorite bit of silliness  Infinity plus 1  how can you have an infinity if I can simply add to the statement +1 ? is it wrong? maybe ,But real, it is.   How can it be not real if I can say it? or write it?  It might be WRONG

Bitcoin is a Human imposition on the non existence of something.  therefore it becomes real because we said so.  having you say it say the opposite does not negate the fact that it IS because you thought about it.  By thinking about it, it becomes real    have fun !

It's not per my logic. This is per my logic:

1. Gold bonds are statements about debt. Debt exists.
2. Stocks are statements about companies. Companies exist.
3. Fiat currencies are statements about debt. Debt exists.
4. Entertainers, magicians, live singers, etc, all exist.
5. A digital painting or a NFT exists.

So, what we have above are either statements about things, or the things themselves.

In the blockchain you have Satoshi's statements on nonexistent Bitcoins.

So, what's your point exactly?

Right. I can just send you Satoshi's words on it. Satoshi said via his software that BTC exists, and you all blindly believe him that it does by exchanging his words in a digital form.

Not my logic. My logic simply differentiate between someone's words about a thing and the thing itself. So, your response makes no sense.

You declare it after POW. But that what is declared to exist is still nonexistent. Things don't come into existence via declarations.

OP thinks it's that easy to just declare you haave a bitcoin as if you are writing a cheque for yourself. Also, why does OP thinks that it's all lies? Did OP got scammed by someone out of his/her bitcoin, that's why OP is spreading this kind of stupid FUD.

So by your OWN logic.  why exactly?  Whats the point?  Why are you denying reality?  Because at this point you are.    Your clothes might as well not exist by your own non logic.   as I said previously  Philosopher with a bad idea trying to work backwards.   Never works.   Good for a useless document on the wall I am sure though.   

Well, I guess if BTC is nonexistent, then you can't send me any right? I think we're done talking to you. As Satoshi once said, if you don't get it, we don't really have time to explain it to you.

As per your logic:
1. Gold bonds issued by Governments are fake - they are not backed by real gold.

2. Stocks that are sold on earlier in a day on intra-day trading are fake - because the seller never possessed the stock to begin with.

3. Fiat currencies are fake - "fiat" in itself stands for "trust" in the government for that currency, but it is known fact that government doesn't back the currency completely with other assets.

4. Entertainers, magicians, live singers, etc, all are fake - since once you see them perform and pay for it, you dont have anything tangible that you can carry.

5. A digital painting or a NFT is a fake - since i can never hang one on my wall at my home.

The list can go on. You're right, everything is illusory and nothing is the truth. Why are you so wise in your ways! 

So you are mentioning things detectible to our senses or artificial equipment. But why exactly? What is the point? I am not saying that Bitcoin is untouchable or undetectable. I am saying it is nonexistent. Only statements about it exist. Quantity statements in the blockchain written by the Satoshi's software. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate between statement about a thing and the thing itself?

Of course it doesn't. Nor does the transaction ID. Both have nothing to do with BTC. They are just statements. BTC is nonexistent.

The "statement" on my software does not indicate you have sent me 10 BTC. Please give me the transaction ID so I may verify it. Thank you.

So  Can You Touch a Photon?  You cannot touch a photon 100% of what you know about photons is through secondary effects.  can you see photons? No you cannot, everything you think you see about photons is through secondary effects.   Any light entering your eye is only perceived through the electromagnetic force After it interacts with another electric field.

By itself its completely invisible/untouchable it doesn't even exist to you unless it interacts. 

Photons and electrons are the same family of particles called Bosons and Leptons since Bitcoin is stored as electrons in human defined patterns.  It totally exists.  As a Human defined pattern enforced by miners equipment.  You are literally attempting to deny the existence of the Universe and Humanity's effect of Divine ability to Change reality at this point. ( yes I threw in the divine   => )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon  I don't like to use wiki but as far as I can tell its correct in this case.

I can't drop down below quantum force.  Yet it still moves. 

I came here to teach people the difference between statements about things and things themselves. Regarding tokens. Token is a physical or digital voucher redeemable by the issuer. When you say that bitcoin exists as a token you are actually saying that blockchain address holders can redeam quantity next to their addresses at the issuer of the quantity. And something like that is impossible. So no tokens exist in Bitcoin scheme. Only statements about them. False statements.

You're obviously wrong, OP thought that when he/she gets bitcoin, OP thinks that someone will send him physical coins like quarters and cents but I guess got disappointed and started to rant in this forum.

You have offered me to buy coffee with statement about BTC's existence. Not with a thing/asset/commodity which name is BTC. No such thing exists in the real world. That's why in the absence of people who would accept this statement you are left with nothing, no asset, no commodity.

No, I can give you the same thing Satoshi's software does - statement on BTC existence. There you go: "Dabs -  10 BTC". So, this statement is informing you that you now own 10 bitcoins. There's no difference between this statement, and that of Satoshi's software, which you can read in your wallet. Both talk about quantity and name of a thing that doesn't exist in reality. The fact that Satoshi's statement is written after POW, shown via fancy application, and transfered between names ( blockchain addresses), doesn't change the fact that it's just a statement. Statements don't make things coming into existence. It is really mind blowing how you people cannot tell the difference between statements about things and things themselves.

***yaaaawn***

tokens are inherently abstractions of something real, that's what "token" means. welcome to monetary theory 101

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Although Bitcoin doesn't have a y physical existence like cards or fiat but it is some database in the system which add on the balance on your UTXO set and vice versa for blockchain to keep record of total Bitcoins and all the transactions.But if you say there is no existence then you are totally wrong and only person who will agree with you is Donald Trump or night be you have just turned his words to long article without any technical base presented here.So my some questions from you are regarding this:

1) If Bitcoin is made out from thin air or does not exist why are miners all around the world spending millions on building mining farms using ASIC machines and huge electricity consumption just to solve cryptographic puzzle in order to earn rewards or say 6.25 Bitcoins?

2) What exactly major companies like Tesla, MicroStrategy are holding in their reserve assest if they have made billion dollar worth investment?

3) Daily thousand of transaction are made and that not only trust because if you buy stuff from the market they will not give you free until they receive funds.So how do these transactions are settled without any funds or coins?

4) You just made investment in the Bitcoin from your wallets that automatically add intangible coins or say add the balance on your Bitcoin address in the form of database so all this is a false play According to you?

The Bitcoin network is running from the past 12 years successfully and many will come like you making false claim but it won't matter in the end.

Ive offered to buy the guy coffee with BTC but hes refused to put up an address.  So unserious in his arguments.

"Proof of gods existence" is another clue of what we are arguing with.   You cannot prove the existence of god. You also cannot disprove it.   Which is why most scientists ignore the question.  Its not a question which science is capable of answering.

So I've come to the conclusion what we are dealing with here is a philosopher.  Of which most are thinkers but never really get anywhere.  A few definitely do but most do not.  Our philosopher has already decided his answer and is attempting to apply science in the wrong direction.