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Topic: Bitcoin Dominance rising again. What is happening? - page 4. (Read 2122 times)

legendary
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Apparently Plan B wasn't right (he cannot always be, and I prefer him being right on Stock to Flow model!)

Dominance is taking a breath:



ETH is going up, I don't know why.


legendary
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Found this tweet by PlanB:

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Get ready for round 6
#AltcoinAnnihilation



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EER8Q2EXYAAwQwb?format=jpg&name=large

BTC dominance is now just belo 70%: is another leg up in the making?
legendary
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So, finally we hit 70% according to CMC:



The alts carnage is still on.

Well, even today, the dominance of bitcoin continues to grow. although the increase in the price of bitcoin was quite good at the beginning of this month, it's just that recovery of an altcoin is still quite slow. I have searched out the reason for the price of bitcoin to rise for this month, but I did not find a good reason. I only speculate that this is the usual cycle at the beginning of the month this year.

It`s simple, crypto community is not big, add to that so many new coins and tokens, basically same people invest and reinvest, and majority is doing that with only one purpose, to earn more bitcoins. When bitcoin dominance is rising on the market, you need to know that many people sell alts for bitcoins, but that will change over time. In 2017 bitcoin dominance was over 30%, I can`t remember exactly, and I believe that will happen once again in the future.
hero member
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So, finally we hit 70% according to CMC:



The alts carnage is still on.

Well, even today, the dominance of bitcoin continues to grow. although the increase in the price of bitcoin was quite good at the beginning of this month, it's just that recovery of an altcoin is still quite slow. I have searched out the reason for the price of bitcoin to rise for this month, but I did not find a good reason. I only speculate that this is the usual cycle at the beginning of the month this year.
legendary
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So, finally we hit 70% according to CMC:



The alts carnage is still on.

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It has seen over 70% recently and that is a lot, its down couple notches because price went down a bit but its still at %68 and that is a whole lot. Do you guys think that will go down because bitcoin price will go down or do you think altcoins will increase?

Both would drop the dominance a lot and I am not sure which one will happen first. I think altcoins increasing seems like not gonna happen anytime soon because for that to happen we need to have a super hype of crypto and that is really not happening for the past 1 year now, they are all falling and falling like crazy and there is no super hype going around neither so we are stuck with the option of bitcoin falling and that is not really nice for our portfolio neither. I hope altcoins going up one will happen but I am afraid other one looks more possible right now.
There is no ultimate hype for them because the only chance that they had has already been destroyed by scammers, and no matter the super hype they even create right now, it would be very hard for investors that has been scammed to go back to altcoin market, the highest they can do is to make investment into bitcoin market.

The IEO that I expected to have assisted in creating that super hype is not making waves at all, as binance is not fining much project they can rely on to register and the other IEO we have been seeing are more like ICO because they are still being owned and operated by scammers, and for these reasons, the dominance of bitcoin might remain here for a very long time because that is still the best market right now to have your investment.
Agree with you it is nature and the dominance of the market. The price will be reflective  or will increase and decrease with time it happens when falls then again rises.'  You only will have to make it your investing strategies that when price falls just buy and when it increases try to sell so that you will earn bigger than before

As long less Bitcoin is between 9000 to 11000$ range we cannot exactly say what will be the next move of bitcoin. Bitcoin Dominance and altcoin recovery is very much dependent on what will be the next big movement in bitcoin price. 
legendary
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I think we should compare within the period I specified

That is, the period from the recent bottoms (both Litecoin's and Bitcoin's earlier this year) till now, and within this period specifically Litecoin is still a better alternative to Bitcoin if you primarily aim for speculation.

Litecoin is now underperforming since the bottom and is at its lowest ratio since 12-2017.

Whoever held on halvening hype got rekt.

that is partly because litecoin, like other altcoins, is taking effect from bitcoin and since during the LTC halving hype a lot of shit was going on in bitcoin market and price couldn't go up there was dumping all over the altcoin market including in LTC.
on top of that there was a lot of FUD and some reality coming out about how LTC development is dead, which it partly was since they just copy everything from bitcoin.
which is why i don't think we can call it "underperforming"!
legendary
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I think we should compare within the period I specified

That is, the period from the recent bottoms (both Litecoin's and Bitcoin's earlier this year) till now, and within this period specifically Litecoin is still a better alternative to Bitcoin if you primarily aim for speculation.

Litecoin is now underperforming since the bottom and is at its lowest ratio since 12-2017.

Whoever held on halvening hype got rekt.
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It has seen over 70% recently and that is a lot, its down couple notches because price went down a bit but its still at %68 and that is a whole lot. Do you guys think that will go down because bitcoin price will go down or do you think altcoins will increase?

Both would drop the dominance a lot and I am not sure which one will happen first. I think altcoins increasing seems like not gonna happen anytime soon because for that to happen we need to have a super hype of crypto and that is really not happening for the past 1 year now, they are all falling and falling like crazy and there is no super hype going around neither so we are stuck with the option of bitcoin falling and that is not really nice for our portfolio neither. I hope altcoins going up one will happen but I am afraid other one looks more possible right now.
There is no ultimate hype for them because the only chance that they had has already been destroyed by scammers, and no matter the super hype they even create right now, it would be very hard for investors that has been scammed to go back to altcoin market, the highest they can do is to make investment into bitcoin market.

The IEO that I expected to have assisted in creating that super hype is not making waves at all, as binance is not fining much project they can rely on to register and the other IEO we have been seeing are more like ICO because they are still being owned and operated by scammers, and for these reasons, the dominance of bitcoin might remain here for a very long time because that is still the best market right now to have your investment.
Agree with you it is nature and the dominance of the market. The price will be reflective  or will increase and decrease with time it happens when falls then again rises.'  You only will have to make it your investing strategies that when price falls just buy and when it increases try to sell so that you will earn bigger than before
Bitcoin traders prefer to hold than trading daily price swings but the casual day trades requires to flip flop the trades on lower timeframes. If Bitcoin price touches the resistance on the 30 min timeframe, day traders look for the entry price level that confirmed with average technical analysis. In other case, price wants to rediscover the lower line on the turned trend, daily technical analysis suggests us to buy the sold amount of Bitcoin with lower prices depending on the risk tolerance of the trader.
legendary
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The IEO that I expected to have assisted in creating that super hype is not making waves at all, as binance is not fining much project they can rely on to register
I honestly expected more too. I think Binance shot itself in the foot by allowing whales to front run others and also operate its own bots to buy into these IEOs, which means that the average person doesn't stand a chance to invest.

Another reason Binance might not have taken the initial mini hype to the next level is because they beforehand knew that they had to stop serving US residents, who acounted for a large percentage of their altcoin trading volumes.

Overall, it's a good thing IEOs didn't grow past their infancy. It means less people will lose the money they worked hard for because most of the projects listed were scams with pie in the sky promises.
legendary
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It has seen over 70% recently and that is a lot, its down couple notches because price went down a bit but its still at %68 and that is a whole lot. Do you guys think that will go down because bitcoin price will go down or do you think altcoins will increase?

Both would drop the dominance a lot and I am not sure which one will happen first. I think altcoins increasing seems like not gonna happen anytime soon because for that to happen we need to have a super hype of crypto and that is really not happening for the past 1 year now, they are all falling and falling like crazy and there is no super hype going around neither so we are stuck with the option of bitcoin falling and that is not really nice for our portfolio neither. I hope altcoins going up one will happen but I am afraid other one looks more possible right now.
There is no ultimate hype for them because the only chance that they had has already been destroyed by scammers, and no matter the super hype they even create right now, it would be very hard for investors that has been scammed to go back to altcoin market, the highest they can do is to make investment into bitcoin market.

The IEO that I expected to have assisted in creating that super hype is not making waves at all, as binance is not fining much project they can rely on to register and the other IEO we have been seeing are more like ICO because they are still being owned and operated by scammers, and for these reasons, the dominance of bitcoin might remain here for a very long time because that is still the best market right now to have your investment.
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There is a certain pattern in the fact that Bitcoin rises in price, and some altcoins fall in price.  It seems to me that many cryptocurrency users are trying to optimize their portfolios and sell risky altcoins, and they also buy Bitcoin for the proceeds while it froze at the border of $ 10,000.  I think that by the end of this year only the highest-rated cryptocurrencies will be relevant.
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It has seen over 70% recently and that is a lot, its down couple notches because price went down a bit but its still at %68 and that is a whole lot. Do you guys think that will go down because bitcoin price will go down or do you think altcoins will increase?

Both would drop the dominance a lot and I am not sure which one will happen first. I think altcoins increasing seems like not gonna happen anytime soon because for that to happen we need to have a super hype of crypto and that is really not happening for the past 1 year now, they are all falling and falling like crazy and there is no super hype going around neither so we are stuck with the option of bitcoin falling and that is not really nice for our portfolio neither. I hope altcoins going up one will happen but I am afraid other one looks more possible right now.
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it starts by this: "By calculating the market capitalization of a coin, its price multiplied with its circulating supply". but the problem is that the supply value used is NOT circulating supply. it is the existing supply. this makes a huge difference since majority of altcoins have huge premines and practically coins that are not in "circulation". and when you deduct those the market capitalization actually becomes a more meaningful number (although still not a good thing to use for "dominance")

In fact, it is even more complicated than that

The market capitalization of a coin doesn't just fail to reflect the real circulating supply, i.e. how many coins are actually used for any activity which determines the value of a coin, it also doesn't take into account the so-called velocity of money, which tells us how often one coin changes hands on average. In simple terms, a higher velocity effectively expands the circulating supply as if there were more coins circulating than there really are. Obviously, this characteristic also determines the price and value of a coin, and it is the reason why the market cap would still remain mostly a useless metric even if the whole of coin supply was circulating
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it starts by this: "By calculating the market capitalization of a coin, its price multiplied with its circulating supply". but the problem is that the supply value used is NOT circulating supply. it is the existing supply. this makes a huge difference since majority of altcoins have huge premines and practically coins that are not in "circulation". and when you deduct those the market capitalization actually becomes a more meaningful number (although still not a good thing to use for "dominance").
for example both ETH and XRP market cap would fall about 70% if you use their real circulating supply. there are tokens that would lose 90% of their market cap even!
legendary
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An interesting read:
It sums up the already know reason why dominance is a shitty indicator and proposes few correction that gives a few interesting insights:

Bitcoin’s reported market dominance is approaching 70%, but in reality it is above 90%

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The main reason is that one could easily create a cryptocurrency with 1 billion premined coins, and do one trade at say 3 dollar each. This would lead to a total market capitalization of $3 billion, which would represent 1% market dominance with today’s valuations and inflate the total market capitalization.

The problem is that the calculation does not take liquidity into account. One might be able to sell one token for 3 dollars, but what happens if you want to sell 1 million? Without accounting for liquidity, market capitalization becomes a meaningless measure.

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As is shown in the table below, adjusting for liquidity by calculating the volume-weighted market capitalization, bitcoin’s market dominance is pushed well above 90%.
legendary
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Now that dominance is slightly going downwards Coindesk decides to publish something about it:

Bitcoin’s Surging Dominance – Is This Time Really Different?

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Price measures bitcoin’s popularity. Dominance measures its popularity relative to other crypto assets. In theory this could mean a “flight to quality” as investors get spooked by market risk and switch out of smaller cap tokens into a “safer” asset. Or, it could represent growing interest in the sector as a whole, along with conviction that bitcoin has the strongest fundamentals.

Either way, it highlights that, of all crypto assets, bitcoin is the most attractive from an investor’s viewpoint. (It’s important to note that dominance can increase as the price goes down, and decrease as the price goes up – it’s a relative, not absolute, measure.)

This matters for several reasons, one of which is what it says about market sentiment. While bitcoin is a speculative asset, it can be considered less speculative than smaller cap tokens, given its relative liquidity, history and network size. Its growing dominance points to a focus on fundamentals and on relative “safety,” which depicts a more grounded level of investor participation than in the ICO-fueled boom of 2017.

While not necessarily predictive, sentiment indicators tend to be recursive – you can’t be sure the trend will continue, let alone with what energy, but positive sentiment generally has in-built inertia. If traders choose to buy based on these indicators, they reinforce them, which encourages more traders to buy, and so on.

Meh, reading the full article I think more interesting considerations were done on this thread.

legendary
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Little update.

Today Litecoin Halved.
A lot of hope was put in this event, but, as I predicted many times, nothing happened, as halving on LTC is meaningless, as SF model in LTC has very little correlation with price

It is not so much an event as a process, which will take time to develop

Though I understand that a 15% rise within a few hours is nothing out of the ordinary. Regardless, the reward has been halved and now we just have to wait patiently for a few months to see whether Litecoin halving is meaningless or not for its price. However, to claim that it won't have any effect on price is equal to claiming that supply doesn't affect it. For what it's worth, I don't think this is a valid assumption. But let's wait and see

Also Bitcoin rose 15%, so LTC/BTC is almost unchanged. It halvening were meaningful, yes, it should have impacted the cross. Contrary to other halving a lot of people is looking at this event trying to euristichally induce some consideration for the bitcoin halvening.
Was the rise already been frontrun? Maybe.
Were people trying to pump LTC to dump later? Probably.
Will LTC slowly drift to irrelevance? Almost sure.
There will be a massive transfer of value on LTC (someone will make a lot of money, someone else will be rekkt) ? Sure.


 
legendary
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Little update.

Today Litecoin Halved.
A lot of hope was put in this event, but, as I predicted many times, nothing happened, as halving on LTC is meaningless, as SF model in LTC has very little correlation with price

It is not so much an event as a process, which will take time to develop

Though I understand that a 15% rise within a few hours is nothing out of the ordinary. Regardless, the reward has been halved and now we just have to wait patiently for a few months to see whether Litecoin halving is meaningless or not for its price. However, to claim that it won't have any effect on price is equal to claiming that supply doesn't affect it. For what it's worth, I don't think this is a valid assumption. But let's wait and see
legendary
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Little update.

Today Litecoin Halved.
A lot of hope was put in this event, but, as I predicted many times, nothing happened, as halving on LTC is meaningless, as SF model in LTC has very little correlation with price.
So, probably only a pump and dump trigger event.

Still LTC/BTC is flat on the day.

Bitcoin dominance is still rising and now at 67.7%.






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