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Quote from: Peashooter on October 25, 2019, 05:14:42 AM

Wearing our signature may also be called a bitcoin freelancing in which we are paid for our posts and comments in the forum and we are paid through the used of bitcoin and I can say that this is also a form of bitcoin freelancing in which we are earning through the used of our signatures and we can transfer it into fiat to become our local currency. As what I've see all of the jobs or works that the payment was made of by bitcoin is called bitcoin freelancing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong, signature campaigns are absolutely not freelancing, here's a definition of freelancer from Wikipedia:

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freelancer, and freelance worker, are terms commonly used for a person who is self-employed and is not necessarily committed to a particular employer long-term.

Signature campaigns count as long-term commitment, I haven been a member of my signature campaign for almost 3 years already. Do not mix "online earning" with freelance, freelance is only a subset of the former. Additionally, signature campaigns aren't a good career, they are just a phenomenon caused by the importance of Bitcointalk in Bitcoin's emerging economy, they can and most likely will vanish at one day.

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Quote from: buwaytress on October 23, 2019, 06:48:10 AM

I've never really seen Bitcoin freelancing as separate from freelancing. I was a freelancer/self-employed person for a period of time until 2006, before having made the decision to relocate to a new place in 2015/16... forcing me to return to freelancing and remote work.

I still took a time to rebuild networks and reputation, before the gigs started flowing back in. And I had to work for a long time to slowly convince people (employers) to pay in bitcoin. Until around 2018 even, some were still paying in paypal or even bank wire but as of today, all my main clients are 100% crypto (only 1 pays in alt) and the few who still insist on paypal or others I no longer focus on as much.

So in practical aspects, I'm about virtually 100% freelancing for bitcoin.

Freelancing works better on upwork and other non-crypto specific platforms (ie. work your ass off by reaching out to people). Then it's your job to convince them to pay in btc. I offer a discount on my rates for bitcoin payments, and that's the clincher. They save 3%-5% on costs, I make it up by also gaining bitcoin feeless and I sell it on a good rate p2p.

I couldn't have said it any better , relying on a freelancer sites with the current bad trends bitcoin market won't give you any solutions... people tend to play safe lately, rather than have to risking themselves buy some bitcoin to pay services while the value could dropped drastically, is it makes any sense? Of course it is.

I was seoclercks customer back in 2014 / 2015 .. I choose them because they accept bitcoin, ethereum and litecoin ... guess they are no longer accept crypto payment since 2017/2018 for undisclosed reason. Now I feel the same like OP who thinks that the crypto freelancers it seems slowly dead left out, that's from a customer view.

This is clearly a single step backward for the progress of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency adoption. Freelancing is a niche where Bitcoin could have thrived since it is mostly done through the internet, and payments asked and made will have to cross borders. Crypto should really be gaining in this billion-dollar niche. But it seems the significant changes of cryptocurrencies' prices which happens all the time is spoiling every potential.

Even if the prices are fluctuating, we can use certain altcoins as a source of payments in the field of freelancing because they don’t undergo significant changes during dips or pumps. Bitcoin could be limited to few freelancing projects that really need some hard work and professionals to handle it. I guess it would be great initiative if cryptos are used in freelancing.

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Bitcoin freelancing for me is base on the price, the higher the price the more project available and the more job created, and this time that the price is too low there are only few opportunities for someone doing freelancing. Only those people who has a good reputation can get a good project to handle.

But it is also a good thing for someone who can manage campaign because there are lots of low rank in the bounty section that can manage a campaign and showcase their skills.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 04:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

Why not work for fiat and then exchange those to bitcoins as simple as that? If you do really look for some work then you can find for sure knowing freelancing sites
do have lots of works to offer even though they arent giving out Bitcoin payment option but its doesnt mean that this industry is dying.Just like what being said where people
do have those false hopes that Bitcoin do give out wider opportunities in terms of work production but it doesnt work on this way.

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I am not sure that freelancing industry is completely dead but what i think is that they have suffered loss due to the dump situation in market and ICO's also have been reduced but with the growth in prices and market recovery we the industry will also grow.Still we can find freelancers but the main problem is to find a legit project which litterally pays for the job as most of them are scams these days.But hope they will also move actively shortly.

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Bitcoin freelancing or doing such jobs in order to be paid by bitcoin will never been abandoned, why did you say that bitcoin freelancing is dead? Is it because you didn't see nowadays some people who are working and paying them through bitcoins? I still see some online jobs which are the payment is through bitcoin, I have a friend of mine that is working through online teaching and they are paying them through the used of bitcoin or cryptocurrency and I must say that this is a bitcoin freelancing.

myabe OP didn't search any work with bitcoin payment well.as we see in our signature , in every post we paid with bitcoin.and there are many other projects with bitcoin payment that mostly handled by yahoo and hamppuzz. Remote job and freelancing give us various work and oppportunity to earn money, moreover if it paid with bitcoin .we could directly convert to fiat when we want.

Wearing our signature may also be called a bitcoin freelancing in which we are paid for our posts and comments in the forum and we are paid through the used of bitcoin and I can say that this is also a form of bitcoin freelancing in which we are earning through the used of our signatures and we can transfer it into fiat to become our local currency. As what I've see all of the jobs or works that the payment was made of by bitcoin is called bitcoin freelancing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Quote from: White Christmas on October 25, 2019, 04:43:03 AM

Bitcoin freelancing or doing such jobs in order to be paid by bitcoin will never been abandoned, why did you say that bitcoin freelancing is dead? Is it because you didn't see nowadays some people who are working and paying them through bitcoins? I still see some online jobs which are the payment is through bitcoin, I have a friend of mine that is working through online teaching and they are paying them through the used of bitcoin or cryptocurrency and I must say that this is a bitcoin freelancing.

myabe OP didn't search any work with bitcoin payment well.as we see in our signature , in every post we paid with bitcoin.and there are many other projects with bitcoin payment that mostly handled by yahoo and hamppuzz. Remote job and freelancing give us various work and oppportunity to earn money, moreover if it paid with bitcoin .we could directly convert to fiat when we want.

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Bitcoin freelancing or doing such jobs in order to be paid by bitcoin will never been abandoned, why did you say that bitcoin freelancing is dead? Is it because you didn't see nowadays some people who are working and paying them through bitcoins? I still see some online jobs which are the payment is through bitcoin, I have a friend of mine that is working through online teaching and they are paying them through the used of bitcoin or cryptocurrency and I must say that this is a bitcoin freelancing.

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basically even casual online jobs paying in bitcoin can still be considered a freelance job.We can actually offer our skills and talents to someone in need. And in the process of negotiation, it is indeed a good decision to ask for the payment method to be in BTC. In this case, people who doesn't aware of what bitcoin is could be fascinated how seamless the transaction and at the sametime, we induces xrypto and bitcoin market adoption.

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Quote from: stompix on October 25, 2019, 03:03:45 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on October 23, 2019, 06:48:10 AM

I've never really seen Bitcoin freelancing as separate from freelancing.

This. As simple as possible!

Just because there is a new payment method it doesn't mean there will be people asking for services
It won't happen with the freelance, with groceries, with the car industry, the market was already oversaturated with payment options and what is more important with people willing to do jobs!

Yeah, and I think that's where the disappointment from people comes. They thought Bitcoin was going to open up new possibilities, new work, and yes, in theory, I suppose in terms of industry, there is more work these days, but more compliance roles needed for crypto-related business, more engineering jobs for coders and what not, but it's not exactly the way people thought it would be.

I'm a freelancer, and I accept Bitcoin.

Bitcoin didn't make me a freelancer.

And totally agree on all the other things. Bitcoin's not a magic disrupting tool. And even if it were, if people aren't really using it the way it was meant to be, then we'll not see things happen faster.

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Quote from: buwaytress on October 23, 2019, 06:48:10 AM

I've never really seen Bitcoin freelancing as separate from freelancing.

This. As simple as possible!

Just because there is a new payment method it doesn't mean there will be people asking for services
It won't happen with the freelance, with groceries, with the car industry, the market was already oversaturated with payment options and what is more important with people willing to do jobs!

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It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

One of the stupid theories we both agree is bs in the past.
It's the same thing as thinking just adopting bitcoin and Somalia ry will start producing racecars, satellites and 69 generation fighter planes.

Ok, you're allowed to work, BUT for who? If there is no demand for services, there is no demand for your work.
And while bitcoin can create a small improvement regarding fees and help those services become cheaper this tiny advantage was offset by the increased number of freelancers with internet access in poor countries compared to the minimal growth in demand from developed countries.

Nice, I tried to edit this twenty times till I managed to delete it Cry

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I think that the number of freelancers who want to earn money in Bitcoins will increase significantly when the current bearish trend in the cryptocurrency market will be replaced by a bullish one. Freelancers are afraid, for example, that while they perform the order, for example within 1 week, the Bitcoin rate can significantly decrease and in fact they will receive a smaller fee for their work. I believe that the decrease in the interest of freelancers to pay for their services in cryptocurrency lies just in the bearish trend in the cryptocurrency market.

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Quote from: Kyraishi on October 22, 2019, 04:34:40 PM

The industry has moved from a more open style to a much more professional style, previously during the ICO boom period, people often hired people in the service board or other sites.

Nowadays, these get rich schemes have died down and are no longer popular and it's become a real life job market with much more regulations - most people will just recruitment agencies and other platforms to hire now.

It's good for the industry, means we are starting to see crypto-based buisnesses be taken a lot more seriously, but it's bad for the community.

This is true, earlier days in this forum, a lot of projects look for people who would like to apply for a certain task or job, as time goes by projects' preference when looking for someone to hire becomes to high that it requires someone being a blockchain expert, or someone who has a certain experience or a professional. Also, not to mention just before the bear market there's a lot of successful ICO and there's a lot of job opportunites, when the bear market started the demand and fame of new successful project flopped.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 04:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

yes you are right since this bear market and the number of ICO scams we have lost freelancing. I usually also work on ICO projects and bounty campaigns to get extra income. or also trade altcoin. but these past few months I haven't done it because the crypto market is in bad condition. but I'm not desperate I will be patiently waiting for bitcoin bulls. when bitcoin bull I'm optimistic that most altcoin will pump. I hope this can be realized in 2020.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 04:16:02 PM

In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

I think I will say two things are responsible for that. One is that, when something is new, it creates a hype and people want to be associated with it, they cluster on it like bees.So, the first leads to the second. Therefore, because they have clustered on it, they available space because unavailable with time because of high demand.
That is what I think has happened so far. Some of those freelancing jobs could see be available but because many people like you are now in need of such jobs, it can't go round.

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Could be because of the number of altcoins being created.

Try looking for a job online that pays with altcoins.
Some do pay with XRP and some with the unknown coins or not that popular yet.
It could also be because bitcoin is getting popular by now and holders of it may think that it is better to hold it than spend it paying online employees.
Just my theory though but of course it aint that accurate.

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Maybe bitcoin in freelancing now has bad times but I noticed that bitcoin became popular as e-currency. recently, I've been in some forum for programmers and I've been surprised that all people who sell soft prefer to take cryptocurrencies as payment method. In my opinion bitcoin has niches where it's convenient to use him, may that freelancing it's not way for bitcoin's or it's not good developed.

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Better currency doesn't mean that suddenly people/workers were getting more skilled and can offer more services. If the mainstream freelance market is thriving while the bitcoin freelance market decreases, then we can say that bitcoin freelancing is dying.

If the answer is yes, then maybe:
- Paradigm-shifting from currency to an asset/commodity;
- Too much volatility, too slow, too expensive, hence not usable as a currency; and
- Fintech products offer more convenience.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 04:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

It is sort of strange since we are at the point of economic cycle where employment should be maxed and there would be huge demand for workers. It makes no sense no one want Bitcoin freelance workers. Something is wrong. Maybe we are in a fake economic growth. Maybe it is just a bubble and there is no real economic growth behind it.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 04:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

Yes, btc freelancing seems dead. XBTfreelancer put some money in it's project to develop it and make popular but seems their plan failed, there is just not much demand on it and to be fair bitcoin freelancer websites are directly going to be opponent of firverr which is very difficult and also their SEO job seems very hard. Still you have to stick with fiverr and if you want bitcoins, convert it.

Also to answer your last proposal, bitcoin can't alleviate poverty and it's not hard to find work online, bitcoin has to do nothing with it. Bitcoin is just a payment method and currency at the same time which is very different, easy and accessible for most people. Does paypal give you restrictions? Or most part of other payment methods? I guess no.

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