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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

Very interesting, I thought that those freelance website that pays in bitcoin is having a good start because bitcoin is slowly getting into mainstream. Feelancing has been underpaid years ago, just go to Upwork and you will see some projects paying workers as low as $1 per hour though.

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

Probably it's because of the bearish trend, so not many people are willing to take the risk to hire someone and make a successful project because they know that investors are not willing to bring money right now. Those projects are at a standstill.

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I'm also one of the freelancers who are looking for crypto jobs in upwork. I use to see a lot of employers posting job requirements they needed done. Last 2017 I can see a lot of them there that even asking for bticointalk account username is asked by them. I was hired to fill a coin market ranking website last 2017 and was paid in great amounts but today, they nearly are not posting jobs related to BTC. most of the jobs are article writing for a not so known crypto websites.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month. It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

I m really wondering what are the reasons why freelancing sites using Bitcoin seem to not gaining good traction in this industry? Maybe if we can identity the problems and challenges with this situation some people can be coming up with possible solutions. Freelancing sites should be making the gigs economy alive and can be helping a lot in more adoption of Bitcoin as they are presenting many people with opportunities to earn some Bitcoin in exchange for performing some tasks. Sadly, there is really no Fiverr counterpart here in the Bitcoin industry. Had Fiverr made a decision to allow Bitcoin as part of its mode of payment then things can be so positively different. I am so sad for this development and I am hoping that something can be done to make those freelancing sites using Bitcoin to come back to life.

It's because once bitcoin went over $1000, employers prefer to hoard their bitcoin and pay people in dollars. So they have gone to the regular freelancing sites and are hiring people for fiat.

I feel a crypto freelancing board could work if people were paid in something like Doge, which nobody hoards - but would employees be willing to work for doge?

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I think there are still many freelancers who can accept payments using bitcoin, while now there are a few that require freelance fees because in my opinion there are currently more who store bitcoin and it seems that there are no very important projects.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month. It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

I m really wondering what are the reasons why freelancing sites using Bitcoin seem to not gaining good traction in this industry? Maybe if we can identity the problems and challenges with this situation some people can be coming up with possible solutions. Freelancing sites should be making the gigs economy alive and can be helping a lot in more adoption of Bitcoin as they are presenting many people with opportunities to earn some Bitcoin in exchange for performing some tasks. Sadly, there is really no Fiverr counterpart here in the Bitcoin industry. Had Fiverr made a decision to allow Bitcoin as part of its mode of payment then things can be so positively different. I am so sad for this development and I am hoping that something can be done to make those freelancing sites using Bitcoin to come back to life.

But who will approach freelancing sites to accept bitcoin as payment method? As they don't seems to show any interest in added bitcoin as a payment option it may be due to volatility but this can we eradicated by fixing the amount in USA like $100 worth of bitcoin for a task. The drawback over here is that we don't have a centralize community for the growth of bitcoin but altcoins might have better chances as they have relevant teams to do this.

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I've never really seen Bitcoin freelancing as separate from freelancing. I was a freelancer/self-employed person for a period of time until 2006, before having made the decision to relocate to a new place in 2015/16... forcing me to return to freelancing and remote work.

I still took a time to rebuild networks and reputation, before the gigs started flowing back in. And I had to work for a long time to slowly convince people (employers) to pay in bitcoin. Until around 2018 even, some were still paying in paypal or even bank wire but as of today, all my main clients are 100% crypto (only 1 pays in alt) and the few who still insist on paypal or others I no longer focus on as much.

So in practical aspects, I'm about virtually 100% freelancing for bitcoin.

Freelancing works better on upwork and other non-crypto specific platforms (ie. work your ass off by reaching out to people). Then it's your job to convince them to pay in btc. I offer a discount on my rates for bitcoin payments, and that's the clincher. They save 3%-5% on costs, I make it up by also gaining bitcoin feeless and I sell it on a good rate p2p.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month. It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

I m really wondering what are the reasons why freelancing sites using Bitcoin seem to not gaining good traction in this industry? Maybe if we can identity the problems and challenges with this situation some people can be coming up with possible solutions. Freelancing sites should be making the gigs economy alive and can be helping a lot in more adoption of Bitcoin as they are presenting many people with opportunities to earn some Bitcoin in exchange for performing some tasks. Sadly, there is really no Fiverr counterpart here in the Bitcoin industry. Had Fiverr made a decision to allow Bitcoin as part of its mode of payment then things can be so positively different. I am so sad for this development and I am hoping that something can be done to make those freelancing sites using Bitcoin to come back to life.

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in my experience the bitcoin "economy" is always the most active and thriving when the price is on the rise inside a big bull market. for example in 2017 everything was a lot more active like freelancing sites,... and when price comes down and bear markets start like 2018 everything slows down.

there is also another problem with these sites like xbtfreelance that they lack advertisement so only a handful of people are aware of it and sometimes the quality of them are low which discourages people from participating and eventually the site loses its traffic.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

Maybe the reason could be people started to work for useless tokens not only for bounties but also for other crypto related services so those sites were in silent mode now but its not completely lost its place,when there will be a highly bullish trend all those services will be back so there will be more chances for freelancers.

And I don't think bitcoin is not created to help poverty,it just to give us financial freedome wither we could have it via earning or buying.

You have a point, and another thing is that unlike before wherein project has their own fund, and they have private investors, but nowadays the project is purely relying on the fund that they will raised in public such as IEO/ICO and if they haven't raised anything at all or just raised small amount of money, they stopped or sometimes run away.

People investing on the current ICO's can't be considered as investors because they just rushing to invest when the see huge discounts but they never care about what they are about to invest and how this project could go in long term.Basically investors have to concentrate on long term goals or benefits to be more successful.

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Quote from: Thanasis on October 23, 2019, 03:12:27 AM

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

Maybe the reason could be people started to work for useless tokens not only for bounties but also for other crypto related services so those sites were in silent mode now but its not completely lost its place,when there will be a highly bullish trend all those services will be back so there will be more chances for freelancers.

And I don't think bitcoin is not created to help poverty,it just to give us financial freedome wither we could have it via earning or buying.

You have a point, and another thing is that unlike before wherein project has their own fund, and they have private investors, but nowadays the project is purely relying on the fund that they will raised in public such as IEO/ICO and if they haven't raised anything at all or just raised small amount of money, they stopped or sometimes run away.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

Maybe the reason could be people started to work for useless tokens not only for bounties but also for other crypto related services so those sites were in silent mode now but its not completely lost its place,when there will be a highly bullish trend all those services will be back so there will be more chances for freelancers.

And I don't think bitcoin is not created to help poverty,it just to give us financial freedome wither we could have it via earning or buying.

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Unfortunately bitcoin freelancing is not a popular thing to begin with, the freelancers and the demands for project usually centered on a conventional freelancing platform and rarely I see in a bitcoin freelancing site. Back in the day when it's still a relatively new thing the project there is not that much compared to any mainstream freelancing sites. That's why because of that more and more freelancers turning their face into mainstream freelancing platform because there's just more opportunity.

One thing that just come to my mind, It's always funny when people saying bitcoin could alleviates poverty I mean it's just a currency and not charity foundation.

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There are still active posts on https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/ and they keep on coming. I haven't worked with any of them but there should be an escrow needed for each transaction or job you'll ever take there.

Until you build trust and confidence between yourself and the client. And as a freelancer, you will be the one to decide whether to continue it or not if there's something that you didn't like or isn't favor to your agreement.

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It's really a matter of concern that a lot of people don't get an opportunity as like as they got in the previous years, also it's true that this platform is becoming more professional in comparison to recent times. we saw that the service section was full of work announcement in 2017, 2018 but in this year, this rate has gone to below quantity, not only that but also ICO/IEO has been almost vanishing from this platform due to lack of investors, the current situation is also responsible to a lot of scam projects, people lost their money and faith in this platform so this has happened, but the work rate also has been lower than that time, I hope it will get back and the good time will come.

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In my opinion its not going to die, freelancing just slowed adoption due to bear market conditions. But before during the market was healthy the freelancing ecosystem was quiet healthy too and lot opportunities offered for job seekers. Nowadays it’s quiet rare but I’m confident that it will be back to normal once the market recover.

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Bitcoin is seldom used to pay for freelancing jobs nowadays because Bitcoin is getting more precious. Freelancing especially those that are supportive of crypto have now shifted to paying with their own tokens. There were already a number of crypto projects whose objective is to provide freelancers as well as employers an ecosystem where tasks are accomplished and are paid with their altcoins. Even these projects have since died.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 06:02:16 PM

People were saying that since Bitcoin is the first global currency that doesn't care about borders, it would be easier to connect workers and employers, and especially help the so-called "unbanked". It makes some sense in theory, because Bitcoin has different properties than fiat, so why it didn't work as predicted?

Maybe employers are much more likely to pay using fiat or altcoin instead?BTC has reached an astounding price so I'd suppose they'd rather hire professionals instead of free lancers. Most probably because we're now done with the development phase of projects and serviced and its now time for companies to do it professionally instead. It guarantees the quality of work after all.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on October 22, 2019, 05:16:02 PM

I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month.

It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

there is demand from freelancers to be paid in bitcoin, but no supply. this could be because businesses are generally uninterested in adopting it. since there's an abundance of labor willing to work for more traditional forms of payment, there is no pressure on businesses to adopt it.

bitcoin is great for freelancers, especially for the unbanked in the context of internet-based work. but why should employers spend time and incur fees buying bitcoin---and risk the volatility---just for the benefit of those people?

to a lesser extent, there could also be a dynamic related to gresham's law happening. why pay out bitcoin when it's more rational to hoard them?

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I won't call Bitcoin freelancing as dead, rather it had suffered a major slowdown which could be attributed to the bearish market but overtime this industry will regain its composure and would be vibrant again - a normal cycle in crypto evolution.

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on October 22, 2019, 06:28:39 PM

I've recently escrowed a few deals for a user who wanted a job done on the Services board.
It's rare, but it does still happen. It's hard to find though, there are many scammers but occasionally a new user with skills joins the forum.

There's no shortage of people with skills on the platforms that I've mentioned (unless we talk about highly specialized skills or very high quality demands), the problem is that there's not enough employers. It's harder to judge about this forum, since many things can go through pm's rather than public threads, but bidding is usually public on the platforms that I've mentioned, and you can see how barren they are right now.

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