There is no political solution...
Spirits in the Material World - The Police
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Topic: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! - page 7. (Read 8697 times)
Oh I see. You don't actually want anything to change, you just want to whine about how "oppressed" you are and pretend that there is nothing you can do about it (like a spoiled teenager).
The whole point of Bitcoin is change. Change you can certainly believe in this time around.
Anyone working toward its free, unadultered, use is working to free humanity from such oppression.
Again, if you don't like taxes, then you can run for office and try to get taxation repealed (which would be asinine, but it is your choice).
If I do not like theft I should ask the thieves to let me be one of them so that I can tell them to stop stealing?
Slavery was common in the US until 1886. It was accepted, and common.
According to you, the slaves should have just run for office and changed the law.
Or, people would eventually realize that slavery was bad and outlaw it.
That is all well and good for history, but if you are a slave you are stuck waiting for the uninformed masses to start acting morally.
So what do you do? You escape, you find the underground railroad, you do whatever you can do to be free in a society that thinks you should be a slave.
Bitcoin is our underground railroad. Those that still believe in slavery are working to shut it down. Under the guise of "creating laws and regulations to prevent criminals and terrorists from laundering money".
That makes no sense. At all.
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes)
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes)
The act is still theft, what is done with the loot afterwards does not change the act.
No, because the citizens of this country elect officials who support taxation to represent them, and in some local/state governments vote on taxes directly.
The power is always in the peoples hands.
We didn't get to vote on the creation of the Federal Reserve, the same year income tax was imprelented. And you can't seriously say with a straight face the our government properly represents us.
If only Tosche Station accepted BTC in exchange for power converters... *ducks*
Oh I see. You don't actually want anything to change, you just want to whine about how "oppressed" you are and pretend that there is nothing you can do about it (like a spoiled teenager).
What have you smoked today?
This is actually true, here in Canada at birth I am a stewart of the state until I am 18 years old, I am under the care of her Majesty.
Can anyone show facts and evidence linking you to Elizabeth Alexandra Mary - I guess this granny is referred as to majesty. For millenia and centuries people calling themselves kings and queens were able to deceive others that power to govern other people comes from god, and that they (kings and queens) represent the so called god on Earth. This trick is still working in Canada.
Same in the U.S. just that you don't have a Monarchy you belong to the state.
The american revolution destroyed the myth of power to govern comes from god, and was replaced with another myth of power to govern coming from the so called nation, elections, and what not.
I could declare myself a non-citizen if I wanted but then all the rights and priviliges that government gives me would be out of my reach. I could smoke pot in public because I am a non-citizen a people of the land. There is a law that the Natives here in Canada can proclaim that if they are born in Canada they are free of the laws and benefits of the aboriginal treaties, they are truly free and cannot be judged by a Canadian Court for being original inhabitants of the land.
Here is something for you: go to call of shame and video first to get a taste of more lengthy materials
http://marcstevens.net/
You do not need to declare yourself a non-citizen to smoke pot.
Oh I see. You don't actually want anything to change, you just want to whine about how "oppressed" you are and pretend that there is nothing you can do about it (like a spoiled teenager).
Again, if you don't like taxes, then you can run for office and try to get taxation repealed (which would be asinine, but it is your choice).
You mean, you suggest that I join the mafia to change the mafia into something good and virtuous? What have you smoked today?
No, because the citizens of this country elect officials who support taxation to represent them, and in some local/state governments vote on taxes directly.
I used to read a lot. Did you know that in ancient Rome there were people called masters and slaves (the division was more complex - I want to keep it simple). A human called ''master'' could by virtue of ''law'' own another human called ''slave''.
Slaves were given certain rights, e.g. they could retain 10% of their income (90% must have been paid to the master). The master took care of his slaves. He provided services in exchange for 90%. He provided the slaves with:
- schools (if you were the master would you allow the slave to go to the school in which he might be taught how bad slavery is?)
- security
- medical care
- what not.
The slaves at that time could not choose their master. At their birth slaves became the property of a given master.
And you know what? In part of Europe I live in, cumulative taxes (income tax, VAT, luxury tax, social tax and others) account for about 83%.
Do you know what a factual difference between a slave in ancient Rome and a citizen is? A slave could not vote who his master would be. A citizen is given the right to change his master every 2 / 4 / 6 years (depending were you live in.
Citizen = slave. Citizenship = slavery. only the word to describe the facts is more sophisticated
Why do you call yourself a citizen. Are you a masochist?
The power is always in the peoples hands.
Hahahahaha. Do they have the power to choose not to have a master / state?
This is actually true, here in Canada at birth I am a stewart of the state until I am 18 years old, I am under the care of her Majesty.
Same in the U.S. just that you don't have a Monarchy you belong to the state.
I could declare myself a non-citizen if I wanted but then all the rights and priviliges that government gives me would be out of my reach. I could smoke pot in public because I am a non-citizen a people of the land. There is a law that the Natives here in Canada can proclaim that if they are born in Canada they are free of the laws and benefits of the aboriginal treaties, they are truly free and cannot be judged by a Canadian Court for being original inhabitants of the land.
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes) and the fact that you believe that police can legally beat you for no other reason than a failure to appear in court; the fact that a rule/regulation/law may be specific enough to provide exceptions to said rule, doesn't mean that the rule is invalid.
I am provided these ''services'' at the barrel of a gun. I am forced to pay (taxes) for them even if I nether need them nor want them. If I do not pay for these fantastic ''services'', I get a letter from IRS, if I ignore the letter, a get another one from a court. If I ignore this one, guys dressed in blue costumes will appear at my door. If I do not want to speak to them, they will break into my house. If I resist, they will beat the shit out of me and break my legs. Then I will be sent to jail. If I believed your BS to be free and want to go home, a prison guard will shot me dead.
Do you think it is moral to provide a service at the barrel of a gun?
Besides that, as I stated before, laws represent the collective will of the people. When laws like the Jim Crow laws are no longer considered acceptable by the general public, they are removed.
What you stated is irrelevant. I do not think your stating anything makes it true by the virtue of it being you who states anything. Laws do not represent the collective will of the people. Laws represent the observable and empirically (and to certain extend rationally) confirmed reality.
Your ''law'' is a misnomer. Collective will of the people has no power to stop a rock from falling down the hill, collective will of the people cannot make ''2+2=-5''. Finally, collective will of people has no power to magically make theft moral.
Again, if you don't like taxes, then you can run for office and try to get taxation repealed (which would be asinine, but it is your choice). You can even start your own political party that runs on an anti taxation platform. Failing that, you can vote for politicians and judges that support your political view.
Stop pretending you are being oppressed. We have a government that allows you to participate as much or as little as you want. If you fail to act on your own political goals, then that is your fault, not the government's.
I will agree to the fact that better systems can be built and everyone of us discussing this now is giving ideas to a fully formed system sooner or later to be created by us or others.
I love Democracy, but I think Direct Democracy would be better; Each and every one of us involved and having a say on the issues that are dear to our hearts.
that is Bitcoin for all of us, the Democratization of Money Directly to the people by the people.
by the way, have any of you checked out your local government site? nasa maybe, Cern? the information is open and government is actively trying to get closer to the people, we simply have to give them a chance, and yes you will get screwed sometimes, sometimes. I know from personal experience, but that just highlights the fact that I am not that good at law, or have enough money to hold out against them, but I can still read their transcripts through freedom of information on how they're going to give it to me: that is our current state of Democracy.
the governments will concede to us when we can see everything they do, it should be a law that all conversations by government employees be monitored and surveyed at all time and be open for the public to read online whenever they so damn please, but that is not happening any time soon
they are still human beings who value their privacy.
Everyone is thinking about the move, but what do we know of other governments? Somalia has no say on Bitcoin, neither does Mexico, Canada is embracing it as long as you pay your taxes and declare income from venture capital.
Many different Democracies with different ideals, you could say that they are all forks of the original idea of Democracy created in the Greek City States 5000 years ago, we sure have come a long way.
I love Democracy, but I think Direct Democracy would be better; Each and every one of us involved and having a say on the issues that are dear to our hearts.
that is Bitcoin for all of us, the Democratization of Money Directly to the people by the people.
by the way, have any of you checked out your local government site? nasa maybe, Cern? the information is open and government is actively trying to get closer to the people, we simply have to give them a chance, and yes you will get screwed sometimes, sometimes. I know from personal experience, but that just highlights the fact that I am not that good at law, or have enough money to hold out against them, but I can still read their transcripts through freedom of information on how they're going to give it to me: that is our current state of Democracy.
the governments will concede to us when we can see everything they do, it should be a law that all conversations by government employees be monitored and surveyed at all time and be open for the public to read online whenever they so damn please, but that is not happening any time soon
they are still human beings who value their privacy.
Everyone is thinking about the move, but what do we know of other governments? Somalia has no say on Bitcoin, neither does Mexico, Canada is embracing it as long as you pay your taxes and declare income from venture capital.
Many different Democracies with different ideals, you could say that they are all forks of the original idea of Democracy created in the Greek City States 5000 years ago, we sure have come a long way.
No, because the citizens of this country elect officials who support taxation to represent them, and in some local/state governments vote on taxes directly.
I used to read a lot. Did you know that in ancient Rome there were people called masters and slaves (the division was more complex - I want to keep it simple). A human called ''master'' could by virtue of ''law'' own another human called ''slave''.
Slaves were given certain rights, e.g. they could retain 10% of their income (90% must have been paid to the master). The master took care of his slaves. He provided services in exchange for 90%. He provided the slaves with:
- schools (if you were the master would you allow the slave to go to the school in which he might be taught how bad slavery is?)
- security
- medical care
- what not.
The slaves at that time could not choose their master. At their birth slaves became the property of a given master.
And you know what? In part of Europe I live in, cumulative taxes (income tax, VAT, luxury tax, social tax and others) account for about 83%.
Do you know what a factual difference between a slave in ancient Rome and a citizen is? A slave could not vote who his master would be. A citizen is given the right to change his master every 2 / 4 / 6 years (depending were you live in.
Citizen = slave. Citizenship = slavery. only the word to describe the facts is more sophisticated
Why do you call yourself a citizen. Are you a masochist?
The power is always in the peoples hands.
Hahahahaha. Do they have the power to choose not to have a master / state?
Look at the actions of elected officials.
They create a separate retirement system for themselves.
They exempt themselves from our socialized medical system.
They have armed guards.
The power is always in the peoples hands?
They create a separate retirement system for themselves.
They exempt themselves from our socialized medical system.
They have armed guards.
The power is always in the peoples hands?
Yes. Because you have equal ability to participate in the government, and should you choose not to run yourself, you have the power to vote the politicians who support those things in and out of office.
Using CaVirtex (Canada) as always been fast and easy ! Almost no delay, great customer service, good pricing.. I still very happy to use CaVirtex !
agreed, CaVirtex so far has been stringent with following the regulations, not likely to be shut down anytime soon, banks in Canada can't shut them down because they are openly complying with the regulations. 
Why are people still talking to the troll?
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes) and the fact that you believe that police can legally beat you for no other reason than a failure to appear in court; the fact that a rule/regulation/law may be specific enough to provide exceptions to said rule, doesn't mean that the rule is invalid.
I am provided these ''services'' at the barrel of a gun. I am forced to pay (taxes) for them even if I nether need them nor want them. If I do not pay for these fantastic ''services'', I get a letter from IRS, if I ignore the letter, a get another one from a court. If I ignore this one, guys dressed in blue costumes will appear at my door. If I do not want to speak to them, they will break into my house. If I resist, they will beat the shit out of me and break my legs. Then I will be sent to jail. If I believed your BS to be free and want to go home, a prison guard will shot me dead.
Do you think it is moral to provide a service at the barrel of a gun?
Besides that, as I stated before, laws represent the collective will of the people. When laws like the Jim Crow laws are no longer considered acceptable by the general public, they are removed.
What you stated is irrelevant. I do not think your stating anything makes it true by the virtue of it being you who states anything. Laws do not represent the collective will of the people. Laws represent the observable and empirically (and to certain extend rationally) confirmed reality.
Your ''law'' is a misnomer. Collective will of the people has no power to stop a rock from falling down the hill, collective will of the people cannot make ''2+2=-5''. Finally, collective will of people has no power to magically make theft moral.
Look at the actions of elected officials.
They create a separate retirement system for themselves.
They exempt themselves from our socialized medical system.
They have armed guards.
The power is always in the peoples hands?
They create a separate retirement system for themselves.
They exempt themselves from our socialized medical system.
They have armed guards.
The power is always in the peoples hands?
That makes no sense. At all.
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes)
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes)
The act is still theft, what is done with the loot afterwards does not change the act.
No, because the citizens of this country elect officials who support taxation to represent them, and in some local/state governments vote on taxes directly.
The power is always in the peoples hands.
Just because some people vote for theft does not make it any less theft.
That makes no sense. At all.
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes)
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes)
The act is still theft, what is done with the loot afterwards does not change the act.
No, because the citizens of this country elect officials who support taxation to represent them, and in some local/state governments vote on taxes directly.
The power is always in the peoples hands.
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