Were those the same civilized people that genocided away roughly 100 million savages?
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because we are a civilized people
Please don't do that again. My keyboard's warranty doesn't cover vomit damage.+1. They have the highest incarceration rate in the world yet this guy claims they are civilized. He lost touch with reality.
Were those the same civilized people that genocided away roughly 100 million savages?
wants to allow a quasi-currency to fund terrorism. Nor do I.
The drug war does more to fund terrorism than anything Bitcoin could ever do. Only 20% of Afghanistan men can read. Do you really think they are using Bitcoin? I live among them, they do not even know how to use a toilet properly let alone a crypto currency. Whoever is telling you that all of these restrictions they are putting on Americans' freedoms is to help stop terrorists is blowing a lot of smoke up your ass.
because we are a civilized people
Please don't do that again. My keyboard's warranty doesn't cover vomit damage.+1. They have the highest incarceration rate in the world yet this guy claims they are civilized. He lost touch with reality.
All the government does when you don't pay taxes is seize your assets.
Seize? You meant steal, using force if you happen to defend your property. Try to resist their seizure / stealing of your car and they will shoot you dead. If you somehow survive, you get in prison. If you want to leave the prison to have a beer with friends, the prison guard will shoot you dead.
But wait, why would you want to resist; they have all the guns in the world, they have tanks and combat airplanes. Why would you resist them? They are such nice people
because we are a civilized people
Please don't do that again. My keyboard's warranty doesn't cover vomit damage. I WELCOME regulation.
Sorry dude, I am an American.
Trust me, I am sorry too. All your regulation is supposed to be derived / based on the so called US constitution, i.e. a piece of paper with ink on it from year 1787 or something.
Trust me, there is no evidence to prove the US constitution or any other US laws apply to you. Just like there is no evidence that bible from 2000 years ago and church laws or regulations apply to you or anybody else.
If you can prove this with the evidence US constitution, laws and regulations apply to you, I will pay you BTC 100.
If you believe you easily earned BTC 100 from me watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE&list=UUFeK8ZdHbCqAq3gekWs8aEQ&index=38
And don't waste your time telling me some cock-a-mamy scheme that if I don't pay taxes men with guns will show up at my door.
All I want is to pay you BTC 100 if you can prove US constitution and other laws or regulation by the so called US government apply to you or anybody else othe than the so called US government.
No they won't. It's easy to think the US government is some evil group who shoots at non-tax payers but there is no evidence to support that.
All the government does when you don't pay taxes is seize your assets. They do not shoot at you or take you to jail or point guns near you because we are a civilized people who do not jail paupers. You are spreading FUD.
All the government does when you don't pay taxes is seize your assets. They do not shoot at you or take you to jail or point guns near you because we are a civilized people who do not jail paupers. You are spreading FUD.
Tell that to Ed and Elaine Brown who tried to live peacefully and free but because they did not pay taxes were survailed by SWAT teams and police for weeks for not paying taxes and then finally attacked. And when they chose to defend themselves (as a free person will do when attacked) they had more charges thrown against them and are now in jail for life.
Or Irwin Schiff who had all of his property seized and was taken away to jail after being in front of a judge who said "I will not allow evidence in my court room".
They take you to jail.
Do not ever claim that America is the land of the free as long as people cannot live free without being kidnapped and held prisoner.
No they won't. It's easy to think the US government is some evil group who shoots at non-tax payers but there is no evidence to support that.
All the government does when you don't pay taxes is seize your assets. They do not shoot at you or take you to jail or point guns near you because we are a civilized people who do not jail paupers. You are spreading FUD.
All the government does when you don't pay taxes is seize your assets. They do not shoot at you or take you to jail or point guns near you because we are a civilized people who do not jail paupers. You are spreading FUD.
Sorry dude, I am an American.
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People don't tell me what to do at gunpoint because I am not a criminal.
Not as long as you comply to their rules, and pay whatever taxes they tell you to pay. Stop paying your taxes, and by definition you become a criminal and will be treated as such.
Regardless of the whole tax thing, you Americans seem to think that the USA is the "land of the free" but it's actually one of the most restricted NON-free countries in the world.
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And don't waste your time telling me some cock-a-mamy scheme that if I don't pay taxes men with guns will show up at my door.
Try it. Stop paying your taxes, and eventually, they will.
Sorry dude, I am an American. People don't tell me what to do at gunpoint because I am not a criminal. And don't waste your time telling me some cock-a-mamy scheme that if I don't pay taxes men with guns will show up at my door.
I care, I WELCOME regulation.
What kind of regulation do you welcome:
a) the voluntarily one agreed on and enforced between consenting individuals, or
b) agreed by a small number of people and coercively forced onto non-consenting individuals at a gun point?
I care, I WELCOME regulation. It improves our ability to operate in a safe and legal manor. It reduces corruption and the whole point is that no legitimate government, like ours, wants to allow a quasi-currency to fund terrorism. Nor do I.
I live in Euro-land and I've had exactly ZERO problems with decent exchanges like bitstamp.net and bitcoin.de.
(and I used to trade on intersango.com as well but they're too small now, no significant volume going on anymore)
So yeah mate, I think you're looking in the wrong place
Why the hell would you go for a Russian exchange, having to deal with utter crap like OKPay, if there are plenty alternatives.
(and I used to trade on intersango.com as well but they're too small now, no significant volume going on anymore)
So yeah mate, I think you're looking in the wrong place
Why the hell would you go for a Russian exchange, having to deal with utter crap like OKPay, if there are plenty alternatives.
Well? Where would you suggest?
Both bitstamp.net and bitcoin.de have their fair share of critics, and their prices do seem very high.
I also still need to transfer my sterling into something else before I can use them, so I am no better off!
Besides, I trust BTC-e far more than I do any of the other names in the exchange universe at the moment.
I have sent 3 wires into Bitstamp from BoA and they all were credited in less than 24 hours. A bit costly for smaller amounts as BoA has a $45 international wire fee and Bitstamp a $15 fee but convenient and pain free otherwise.
Tax could be considered theft, if you were not already aware of the deal for employment in your country.
What deal? I'm not aware of being part of any such deal, and I sure as hell didn't agree upon one.I don't know what my country's employment has to do with this. I'm currently getting paid bitcoins for developing some software for someone else (who, as far as I know, doesn't even live on the same continent as me) and that's the only deal I'm involved in. I give code to him, he gives bitcoins to me. And now you're claiming it's not theft when some 3rd party would suddenly come knocking at my door and took part of my bitcoins by force?
Tax could be considered theft, if you were not already aware of the deal for employment in your country.
Where and when and in what circumstances was this deal you are talking about concluded? Can you offer us some facts on who made this deal?
Tax could be considered theft, if you were not already aware of the deal for employment in your country.
If you are not willing to pay a percentage of your income in tax, you are not allowed to work.
If you are not willing to pay a percentage of your income in tax, you are not allowed to work.
Just spending bitcoins incurs a tax when the value goes up compared to the dollar, no employment required.
And just because a government has its rules of theft if you perform your daily activities does not mean that you consent to the theft by performing your daily activities. We are born with inherent rights to life and liberty.
If you don't like paying for the "society" you live in and benefit from, thats OK too. It just makes you a freeloading societal leech, much like a welfare queen or career criminal.
If/When you don't pay all of your taxes, you are stealing from the rest of us who do. You can try to justify it all you want, but the truth is YOU are the thief, not the government.
If/When you don't pay all of your taxes, you are stealing from the rest of us who do. You can try to justify it all you want, but the truth is YOU are the thief, not the government.
Merely living does not imply consent to be robbed.
Please do take away all government services, including the SEC, DEA, CIA, IRS, DHS, FBI, FDA, EPA, NSA, TSA, DOT, CPS, Foreign Aid, bank bailouts, automobile bailouts, welfare, warfare, and everything else.
Are you saying that anyone who does not pay taxes and still uses government services is a thief?
Today's lesson is that there are far too many Asperger types interested in Bitcoin and Rand!
That was really the lesson? I just learned that my ignore list is one name too short.Tax could be considered theft, if you were not already aware of the deal for employment in your country.
If you are not willing to pay a percentage of your income in tax, you are not allowed to work. That rule applies before you accepted the deal to work for an income. In an ideal Rand world, you would have read all the terms and conditions before you took on the contract - wouldn't you? Wink
If you don't work, you don't get an income, and might consider government charity - also known as welfare benefits. If you are not willing to accept the rules of the country, you don't get those either!
This is a fairly standard style of sophism that I like to call the "hypocritical parent" technique. Notable characteristics of this fallacy include rampant begging of the question, unilaterally imposed demands referred to as a "deal", faux fairness, and a complete avoidance of the question of why it's justified for the the people imposing the demands to do so, but it's not justified for the people ordered around to impose demands on the rulers. Many people have the misfortune of being the target of this kind of treatment at a young age. Sadly as most of them grow up they mentally convert this experience into, "this is how society should be organized!" and very few of them manage to achieve the enlightenment of, "actually my parents were just hypocritical assholes and I shouldn't seek to replicate that now that I'm an adult." If you are not willing to pay a percentage of your income in tax, you are not allowed to work. That rule applies before you accepted the deal to work for an income. In an ideal Rand world, you would have read all the terms and conditions before you took on the contract - wouldn't you? Wink
If you don't work, you don't get an income, and might consider government charity - also known as welfare benefits. If you are not willing to accept the rules of the country, you don't get those either!
In the long run, governments are handicapping their own currencies by making them incapable of buying Bitcoins. In the short term however, this really is a problem. I wrote an article about this a week or so ago. Kind of extreme, but it's really just food for thought. If you're interested...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207764.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207764.0;all
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