Dude, we don't "execute violence against those who did not consent" except those who are in jail/prison. This is a modern country. We ended slavery one hundred fifty years ago.
"(pointing a gun at people)"
Facts or it didn't happen.
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You are wrong to assume 49% are basically OK... this 49% recognizes there is no REAL CHOICE and could not find anyone WORTH voting for. End result is that 75% of the public is actively against the man in charge and only 25% voted for him. Unfortunately, of the 25% that voted for him, half of those people were really voting AGAINST the other guy who they thought was worse. End result is that only 12% of the population REALLY endorses and supports the policies of the elected official.
What world do you live in? Where I live, every election has loads of local angry candidates fighting on local issues. OK they lose but that doesn't mean there is no choice. It means that people did not agree with them!
Just cos you can't win an election does not mean the process is invalid.
The process is invalid because the winner claims moral authority to execute violence against those who did not consent to the results of the election via contract. They claim the right to declare 'right and wrong' and to then 'reward' and 'punish' people based on an arbitrary definition of right and wrong with NO REGARD to the fact that the MEANS by which they exercise power (pointing a gun at people) is universally recognized as wrong and immoral for any other individual to do except in immediate self defense.
In your system of many choices, half are still voting for the lesser of N evils.
You are wrong to assume 49% are basically OK... this 49% recognizes there is no REAL CHOICE and could not find anyone WORTH voting for. End result is that 75% of the public is actively against the man in charge and only 25% voted for him. Unfortunately, of the 25% that voted for him, half of those people were really voting AGAINST the other guy who they thought was worse. End result is that only 12% of the population REALLY endorses and supports the policies of the elected official.
What world do you live in? Where I live, every election has loads of local angry candidates fighting on local issues. OK they lose but that doesn't mean there is no choice. It means that people did not agree with them!
Just cos you can't win an election does not mean the process is invalid.
BTC-e have just switched on their OKPAY service again for a few days, to allow people to move their cash into their exchange, before they switch off the service for another 2 months.
We are seeing all the various financial services throughout the world getting their cogs spun up to make the movement of fiat to a bitcoin exchange so difficult that without already having your cash in the exchange, you can't take advantage of any movements in value. If you do want to move your fiat into bitcoins the whole process is taking longer and longer - last time it took me 2 weeks.
I don't expect US users to note how difficult it is for the rest of the world, but at this rate its going to be impossible to get enough bitcoins / altcoins into the mainstream to gain enough traction to make any success happen.
Anyone else having this problem, or am I just looking in the wrong place? - BTW, I really don't like MTGox, I don't trust them, and to only use that service to get your bitcoins seems to defeat to object of having them!
We are seeing all the various financial services throughout the world getting their cogs spun up to make the movement of fiat to a bitcoin exchange so difficult that without already having your cash in the exchange, you can't take advantage of any movements in value. If you do want to move your fiat into bitcoins the whole process is taking longer and longer - last time it took me 2 weeks.
I don't expect US users to note how difficult it is for the rest of the world, but at this rate its going to be impossible to get enough bitcoins / altcoins into the mainstream to gain enough traction to make any success happen.
Anyone else having this problem, or am I just looking in the wrong place? - BTW, I really don't like MTGox, I don't trust them, and to only use that service to get your bitcoins seems to defeat to object of having them!
Probably in the wrong place. Have you considered OTC?
You are wrong to assume 49% are basically OK... this 49% recognizes there is no REAL CHOICE and could not find anyone WORTH voting for. End result is that 75% of the public is actively against the man in charge and only 25% voted for him. Unfortunately, of the 25% that voted for him, half of those people were really voting AGAINST the other guy who they thought was worse. End result is that only 12% of the population REALLY endorses and supports the policies of the elected official.
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.
That's not how the us government works.
The president isn't chosen by popular vote, and presidents have lost the popular vote and still won the election. Representatives and senators are voted in by localities and represent the interests of the individual states they serve (not 51% of the country).
51% of the votes in this country gets you nothing.
That's a false argument. Maybe it would be better to say democracy in the US is tyranny of 70% against the 30% (70% of the votes basically guarantees that you'll win in any US election, period).
Keep in mind that even if it was a popular vote with a 51% majority rule, because the participation rate is so ridiculously low (2008 was a highly anomalous 60%, usually it's around 50%), in reality only 26% of the voting eligible population would establish the majority rule...
That's 49% of the population saying that they are basically OK with whoever wins and 51% who care enough to vote. Which makes sense - the US is not going through any fundamental upheaval so you'd expect most people to be indifferent as to who wins elections.
Out of 464,000 adults in my county 293,000 cast votes last fall. That's not bad at 67%. (Marijuana legalization for recreational use passed by 10 votes).
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.
That's not how the us government works.
The president isn't chosen by popular vote, and presidents have lost the popular vote and still won the election. Representatives and senators are voted in by localities and represent the interests of the individual states they serve (not 51% of the country).
51% of the votes in this country gets you nothing.
That's a false argument. Maybe it would be better to say democracy in the US is tyranny of 70% against the 30% (70% of the votes basically guarantees that you'll win in any US election, period).
Keep in mind that even if it was a popular vote with a 51% majority rule, because the participation rate is so ridiculously low (2008 was a highly anomalous 60%, usually it's around 50%), in reality only 26% of the voting eligible population would establish the majority rule...
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.
That's not how the us government works.
The president isn't chosen by popular vote, and presidents have lost the popular vote and still won the election. Representatives and senators are voted in by localities and represent the interests of the individual states they serve (not 51% of the country).
51% of the votes in this country gets you nothing.
That's a false argument. Maybe it would be better to say democracy in the US is tyranny of 70% against the 30% (70% of the votes basically guarantees that you'll win in any US election, period).
Not a thing.
It's easy to think the US government is some evil group who shoots at non-tax payers but there is no evidence to support that. [...] They do not shoot at you or take you to jail or point guns near you because we are a civilized people who do not jail paupers.
sorry Osama I shoot you in the head.
and I laugh an evil laugh.
and I laugh an evil laugh.
What's wrong with these statements?
Are you saying that anyone who does not pay taxes and still uses government services is a thief?
No. Just those who don't pay their entire required share, as laid out by the law.
It is a fact fear does not exist. For something to exist it must have energy (like photon) or / and mass (like bicycle).
''Fear'' has neither of the two, just like unicorn. Unicorns have neither energy nor mass - therefore unicorns do not exists. Therefore ''fear'' does not exist.
Thoughts and emotions don't exist because they don't have energy or mass? Do you actually believe we are beings without consciousness or sentience?
If so, your understanding of science is just as poor as your understanding of economics.
I would do whatever the majority wanted.
If the majority wanted you to kill me for not paying taxes, then you would kill, right?
Would you feel proud of yourself?
Maybe you should just pay taxes? Even in the most libertarian of societies there will be things you have to pay for.
I would do whatever the majority wanted.
...said every gang rapist ever. 
sorry Osama I shoot you in the head.
and I laugh an evil laugh.
and I laugh an evil laugh.
Woo hoo!!! USA! USA! USA!
sorry Osama I shoot you in the head.
and I laugh an evil laugh.
and I laugh an evil laugh.
I would do whatever the majority wanted.
If the majority wanted you to kill me for not paying taxes, then you would kill, right?
Would you feel proud of yourself?
I would do whatever the majority wanted.
fuck no, that's insane.
I sense some progress in you. That's very cool.
I would only kill a person who was endangering me or my family.
If I lived in your vicinity and refused to pay taxes, would you consider my refusal a danger to you or your familiy?
I would keep up the sanctions though and I'd use black ops to try to create a revolution from within.
How would you finance keeping up sanctions and black ops:
a) from your own pocket, or
b) from pockets of other people (taxes) who might not support the sanctions and black ops?
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