Topic: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! - page 2. (Read 8697 times)

Can you possibly use less emotive terms than "rape your wife?"  I'm old and have followed politics all my life and I don't ever recall an election on that subject.  Elections are generally about mundane things who picks up trash, how it gets disposed and how much is paid for it. 

It doesn't really matter if you regard elections as legitimate or not.  People want to have government; they want to have a right to vote on how things are done and you can either comply with their decisions or not.  Complying but saying "Its not legitimate" is fine.

"Deprive" implies force and I would never deny anyone the right to vote; however, I will never grant the outcome of a vote legitimacy.   If we were to vote on who gets to rape your wife, and then you object then by you logic I could claim you were trying to deny us our of our right to vote.

Vote all you want, but don't bind me to it!

You don't need to "suspect" - you can go door to door at election time and ask. Come election day you will know for a fact whether most people do or do not support your position.

I suspect the problem is that you know the answer, you don't like the answer and are looking for a way to deprive people of the right to vote.

No better system has been accepted or understood by the masses... saying it hasn't been found is a lie.   I suspect most people dislike the government and don't want it interfering in their life, but most people also are not imaginative enough to consider who life could be possible without the government and therefore assume a government is needed.   Thus lack of imagination causes people to fall back to primitive use of force so they can avoid dealing with a mans reason.  Thus force is easier than reason and is the lazy way.  Someone who relies on force is not confident enough in their own position to persuade via logic.

You want to see a better system.. the-iland.net documents it.

This guy gets it.

So, make your case and if you can't find a politician who agrees with you, stand for election and see if you can get the votes.  I'm sure you will find persuading people to sure that the blind and aged stop getting Medicare an interesting experience.  I doubt you'll get many votes.

The logic here is simple.  Government is something the vast majority of people want.  All human institutions are a mess.  Democracy is a human institution so it too will be a mess.  But no better system has been found so you have to make the best of it.  

Did you forget to subtract out the NET benefits people receive vs taxes paid?   Many people receive more benefits than taxes paid via sales tax, gas, etc.   What about the NEGATIVE 'benefits' that people people were forced to pay for that actually worked AGAINST them such as paying for immoral wars, foreign aid, subsidizing their competition?   Regulatory expenses and delays and downright outlawing honest livelihoods?

Also since when does one party get to dictate the price someone else has to pay for the service received whether wanted or not?  If I show up at an intersection, wash your window, then demand $1000 at gun point on the grounds that 'you benefited' by the services I provided despite the fact that I left smears on your previously already clean window?  

Yes, if we are referring to income tax (which is what most people are referring to when they complain about "taxes"). It would be asinine to expect people who are below the poverty level and live on a fixed government income to pay income tax.

However, these people still pay back into the system through sales taxes, and often (even disproportionally) "sin" taxes such as liquor and tobacco, as well as "stupidity" taxes like the lotto, etc. So no one really gets by tax free.

I agree completly

"Democracy" is tyranny of 1% against the 99%, but sadly most of the 99% are sheep and don't see this.

of course but we would like to have a choice in WHO should be providing those things that we have to pay for. with taxation there is no choice, the government will make that choice for you.

Yes I did.

Edit  +income

Did you miss the word "income" there?  Almost all people pay taxes of some kind. 

Doesn't matter.  They have to pay.  There is no such thing as a perfect system that makes everyone happy.

Approximately 50% of Americans 'pay no taxes' and we ALL benefit from services.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/only-53-percent-pay-income-tax.htm

So some people can not pay taxes and use government services and not be considered thieves and other people can not pay taxes and use government services and be considered thieves?

Are those people forcing the government at the point of a gun to provide those services?

Seems fair enough.  You can't just "opt out" of the stuff you don't like.  If you have fiat money, then you render unto Ceaser what is due to Ceaser.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_and_Elaine_Brown

April 2007
 On April 24, U.S. District Judge Steven McAuliffe sentences Ed and Elaine Brown to five years and three months in prison each for concealing earnings and failing to pay federal income tax on nearly $2 million of income. Neither of the Browns appeared in court for the sentencing.

May 2007
 On May 18, Ed and Elaine Brown are reported as stating they do not intend to appeal their convictions on federal tax evasion charges. They said they have abandoned "man's law" and now follow only the rules and laws put forth in the Bible.
 
June 2007
 On June 7, police, SWAT teams, and armored vehicles are seen gathering in a field near the Browns' home. United States Marshal Stephen Monier confirms that one Brown supporter was detained near the Browns' property. Several sources later identify the Browns' supporter as a man named Danny Riley, and state that he was detained while walking the Browns' dog, Zoe. Monier's office later releases a press statement indicating that the government agents were not raiding the Browns' home, but were in the area to serve a warrant for the seizure of Elaine Brown's dental office in West Lebanon, New Hampshire. (Subsequent testimony at trial revealed that this operation was in fact an arrest attempt.) In the evening of June 7, Riley records a video describing his encounter with and detainment by federal agents earlier that day. In the video Riley claims that one camouflaged agent fired two shots over his head after he fled from the agent once happening upon him hiding in the woods near the Browns' property. Riley claims that after being tackled and tasered, he was threatened with 15 years in jail by the FBI unless he told the media that the siege was expected and planned for, and was not the outcome of an abortive attempt to serve a warrant.[

So when you lose the result is because there is no REAL CHOICE and then the process is invalid because you think its immoral.

Who made you Ayatollah?