Topic: Bitcoin Island - page 6. (Read 9754 times)

So this island will have a decentralized voting system in place for a real democracy?

Would you be willing to pledge 10 bitcoins towards buying a small island?

Not hand over to me or anyone, just set aside 10 of your current bitcoins in your own wallet toward this goal.

This is assuming a few years of hashing things out before anyone would need to send their bitcoins and a significant increase in the value of those 10 bitcoins. A goal of 200 people pledged with a final 100 people agreeing on the final decision and actually following through with the payment.

As I said before, taking over an already occupied island will bring shitstorm from the UN.

I see our community will do it one day

One day I will place my feet @ bitcoin land!

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regards.

cool

Can we declare sovereignty over different places, like a distributed nation or something like that?

Like for example some occupied spaces we´re they accept bitcoin as their official currency.

From the U.S. Constitution (of no authority), Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 in part: "No State shall ... pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts ...."

In other words, the States can't make laws that overcome agreements, if the agreements are done up in the right way.

The Federal Government has been adjudicated to be a "state."

Your point is well taken.

You'd appreciate Lysander Spooner's "No Treason:The Constitution of No Authority".

Point of law; point of evidence. In the United States... from Marc Stevens at http://marcstevens.net/articles/ol-lie-world-tour-evidence-laws-apply.html.

"I’ve mentioned this on the No State Project a few times.  It’s the Same ol’ Lie World Tour.  I’ve already gotten lot’s of footage and will post them under this part of the website so they are easy to find.  The Tempe city council “we have jurisdiction because we say so” and the interview with federal magistrate John Buttrick are good examples."

... and ...

"There is a very pertinent question here: If the police have no evidence the laws apply, and the prosecutors don’t, then where are the judges getting it from when they insist they have jurisdiction over us?  They are so certain they will not only put us in cages, but also order psychological examines for asking for this phantom evidence."

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The point of this is that in the United States, there is no evidence that any laws apply to anybody. If there is no evidence that any laws apply, then why and how can government prosecute anyone, or even insist that they obey a law? Check out what Marc has to say.

The thing that Marc doesn't say is that the only way that laws can apply, or that judges have any authority over us, is by contract or agreement, where we have agreed to accept the laws or the judgements. But government never shows us the agreement. So maybe there isn't any.

In other words, even the various governments in the United States, and the United States government itself, are all dictatorsahips, simply acting for their own reasons like they are governments of freedom.

Time for Bitcoin Island, which might include all of North America, or maybe the whole world... all of it under fair, free Bitcoin-style agreement.

It's a matter of control:

The real world is trying to put bitcoin into its existing framework to control it, but due to the P2P network, the degree of control is very limited

On the other hand, bitcoin is trying to put real world into its totally new framework and regulate the real world with its purchasing power, once its purchasing power is big enough, then it essentially make the real world a sub-set of its framework

Imagine that if 1 BTC can buy you a whole city, then you are making the rules for those cities as you wish, or at least develop it the way you want it

As a human citizen in a certain country, you should obey the rules of that country, but since bitcoin is almost impossible to regulate, your bitcoin is your key to freedom

So you might not need a bitcoin island, what you need is to support the bitcoin exchange rate and push it towards multi-billion dollars

Hehe IF early adopters would be interested about this idea I think this might be possible.

I would highly recommend not donating to any idea unless it has +10k PEOPLE behind it.  People are wealth, the most underrated wealth there is.  I'll leave that there but soon.. people will remeber what real wealth is and that paper cannot feed you.  The idea just popped into my head so I just wanted to talk about it, glad to see there are a lot more people that have gone a lot farther with this idea then I have.

Here is a hypothetical sequence:

Identify an existing island with a small population, with adequate rainfall and some potential for self-sustainability, that has been colonized in the past, and whose people may want to be independent.  The island should be very far away from the colonial power.

A videographer visits the island, asks questions and records individuals responding about the takeover of their land by a foreign power and the overthrow of their sovereignty, what they would like to see happen in the future for their children, and asks how long the foreign domination of their land should continue.  A list and photo of every resident of the island is compiled, and an evaluation of each one is started and updated throughout the process.  The videographer hands out t-shirts with an appropriate message and graphic.  Future indigenous spokesmen and potential leaders are identified and cultivated.  Follow-up visits by others are conducted throughout the remaining process.

The video is edited in the most advantageous and appealing way possible, given subtitles, music, etc.  The history of oppression and foreign control of the people is documented, along with their desire to be free.

A web domain is obtained, and a web site is created with stories, photos, and videos.

The video is released as a documentary at the major film festivals.

Support by celebrities is cultivated.

Support by donors is cultivated.  Bitcoin is prominently featured as a method of donation.  A board of trustees administers the funds.

A United Nations declaration is pursued, which supports the right of the indigenous people to self-determination.

A declaration of independence is created, and then signed by the indigenous people, in a sequence of elders and influential persons that is most advantageous.  Copies are posted on the web site at the appropriate time.

A constitution is created, which specifies a new currency (Bitcoin), and offers residency and/or citizenship to individuals who significantly assisted in the independence of the nation, or who support it now.  Bitcoin grants are made to every resident who signed the declaration of independence.

Representation at the United Nations is requested.

Bitcoin is no longer property.  It is an official currency.  It is strongly identified with something righteous and noble.

A fresh start.

Update:  No more hypothetical details here.

I can declare a stake in your productivity... what makes me any different? Force. They can back it up, and kill you without recourse, if you resist. You're only as much a slave as you are forced to comply. Of course, you are a slave. As am I. My point is, the problem is not the government policies... it's the monopoly on force. I have no problem with communism, socialism, capitalism, or any other 'ism... as long as participation is voluntary.

(Yes, capitalism is wrong if it's forced... not sure whatever that might look like)

great idea, where is address for donations?
one island is only beggining, we can buy some small country

1. You can't eat Bitcoin or digital. You need to have REAL land somewhere. At least an island would allow both land and ocean fish.

2. Nobody started a nation from scratch, without a lot of talk and organizing with other people. A nation of one isn't any fun. A nation of many needs discussion and agreement before it can happen.

3. This means that digital is a good way to start. Ideas can be thrown into a pot. They can be compared with the history of many nations. Many of the past mistakes can be avoided. For example, the Constitutional government of the U.S. should have been set to die in, say, 20 years after it was set in place. The nation should have reverted to The Articles of Confederation.

4. We of the digital age are smart enough to wire the best plan into a Bitcoin-like program that would make it work.

5. If we are good, the world will come to us for our plan, and we won't need to purchase an island, or any other land. The peoples of the world will throw their lands to us for the opportunity to participate.

6. What we have will need to be made extremely secure from a standpoint of being unchangeable, like the blockchain. Otherwise the corrupt politicians of the world will try to use it to enslave the peoples of the world ever more firmly, in unbreakable chains.

7. One of the major questions has to do with "time." The banking system is about to collapse worldwide. The U.S. dollar is about to be removed as the major world currency. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) is about to set its own currency in place, one that would start the whole process over again, and make it another hundred years before the REAL final collapse will come. But the turmoil that will come about with the collapse of the U.S. dollar just might possible take the Internet down. We don't have much time; in fact we have very little time.

8. You have seen my basic idea for extremely limited government, and lots of personal freedom, on page 3 of this thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6026390.

The entire idea is to free ourselves from our debt masters... Well that's why I mentioned it.  The fact my gov can take out unlimited amounts of money against my name means I am a slave.  I don't like being a slave..  people suggest moving.. only 3 countires are not controlled and owned by the central banksters.

Why declare anything? Buy the land, and do your thing. Declaring anything is only going to draw attention and grant legitimacy to the state. Your best bet in the US would be to create your own religion, and cut yourself off from the rest of the world. You'd have some chance of defending that in court, and having the more import court of public opinion on your side.

Exactly!
We can make it so much better...