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We should amass bitcoins and buy an island.. make it a country and have it's currency BTC. That is all.
We should amass bitcoins and make the land we live on already less like a country. And take a holiday on the said island once in a while.
And there are ways to do it. Ways to make it legal to drink unpasteurized milk. Ways to trade property without sales tax. Ways to avoid property tax and income tax on the use of the property.
Bitcoin is an innovation. Counterparty and Mastercoin are innovations built on Bitcoin. MaidSafe is coming.
It seems that the people who know how to work with land, and the people who know the best ways of owning land, and the people who know the major loopholes around the taxes, are not all that interested in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the key that ties it all together, at least until MaidSafe is fully online and operating worldwide.
I have been down this road before. Much further than just chatting about ideas online.
As part of the Free State Project a group of us were going to work on buying land for a "free town" type of project. Discussion went on for months. We weighed different parts of the state with graphs and voting numbers and laws and every type of analysis we could come up with.
Finally we determined that if 50 of us put in $10k each we would have enough to buy a large lot of land that could be divided between us with the goal of around 5-10 acres each. So we had one guy who lived in the state who's dad did that type of real estate business himself who was just getting into starting his own business start working on setting things up for us. He set up a corporation and started setting out to find land. He had a contract written up and asked for people to start submitting their checks, with a signed contract from him and us.
It ended up with just 2 of us (me and another couple) sending him $10k. Meanwhile he's driving all over the state taking pictures and talking to land owners, sending us everything we want, but nobody else ponied up any cash. He ended up giving the money back, losing out on time and money.
It ended up that everyone was all talk with no ability to actually invest in such an idea. The discussions died off and that was the end of it.
That is why I started working on BitPools. Where you can keep your bitcoins in your wallet but can pledge your money toward such a goal. If enough people pledge to the point that it is a viable possibility it is only then that people will start working on actual proposals. Then people can vote with their bitcoin on whichever idea they like best and the project gets funded.
As part of the Free State Project a group of us were going to work on buying land for a "free town" type of project. Discussion went on for months. We weighed different parts of the state with graphs and voting numbers and laws and every type of analysis we could come up with.
Finally we determined that if 50 of us put in $10k each we would have enough to buy a large lot of land that could be divided between us with the goal of around 5-10 acres each. So we had one guy who lived in the state who's dad did that type of real estate business himself who was just getting into starting his own business start working on setting things up for us. He set up a corporation and started setting out to find land. He had a contract written up and asked for people to start submitting their checks, with a signed contract from him and us.
It ended up with just 2 of us (me and another couple) sending him $10k. Meanwhile he's driving all over the state taking pictures and talking to land owners, sending us everything we want, but nobody else ponied up any cash. He ended up giving the money back, losing out on time and money.
It ended up that everyone was all talk with no ability to actually invest in such an idea. The discussions died off and that was the end of it.
That is why I started working on BitPools. Where you can keep your bitcoins in your wallet but can pledge your money toward such a goal. If enough people pledge to the point that it is a viable possibility it is only then that people will start working on actual proposals. Then people can vote with their bitcoin on whichever idea they like best and the project gets funded.
Well I know that making this idea come true is not too easy and finding people who will really pay for this will be hard.
I must say, I haven't got even 100$ in that moment, so I know that all those are dreams for me - but my dreams sometimes come true
So I believe that this is possible - just more people need to join this idea.
So why is it that all kinds of folks ponied up multiple $thousands to buy Bitcoin? There isn't anything substantial backing Bitcoin. Land is always there. If the Internet or the power grid failed, Bitcoin could conceivably be gone. Land is always there. Do you think the land people maybe used the wrong approach? (Mastercoin Counterparty)
Why do you have to go and ruin a perfectly good island by creating a government there?
well maybe not a gov like we know it - but we need some members to keep eye on everything
make every resident accountable. they all do weekly voting on certain island agenda's.
after all it wold be an island of a small population, not a 70 million population country that needs a small committee to be the voice/representation of the many to keep debates controllable and civil.
and all bitcoiners would be smart enough to vote using a blockchain.
Did you say "make?" as in "force?"
Hey, it was swell knowing you. Perhaps again sometime.
In the normal sense of the word government it is a humble and fee-less service designed to HELP the people and to LISTEN to the people, as the PEOPLE are the boss, not the government. The government should have absolutely NOTHING to do with ANY currency, whether it's USD fiat, or Bitcoins.
Actually, a government may need a currency to make trading between its departments easier. The people should not be required to use it. Of course, the people are idiots and will go and voluntarily make agreements with government anyway. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10.
We need more than one island.
That way it is not such an easy target.
That way it is not such an easy target.
Actually, we need a floating island, so that all the subs of all the nations can blast our bottom out from under us.
[...] Democracy means that if 51% of the people decide on something, the 49% have to follow, even if they are adamantly against it. [...]
not. that stoneage. mayority-votes lead systemically to building parties and fight over power. it is really out of date. They don't teach you the good stuff in their institutions.
If you have to learn how to understand government, it is too complicated already. All of us are reasonably smart. We all understand when things are right and when they are wrong, if we have all the details. Make it simple, or it will always be prone to corruption.
For example, the Constitution of the United States is reasonably simple when compared with all the laws and codes. Somewhere in the range of 99+% of the codes and laws are unnecessary. Democracy and voting are the things that generally try to encroach on the freedom of others by introducing laws and codes.
i've got 2140 BTC to spend on volcano's, or whatevers god wants to put there
no shit, i built a quantum computer that doesn't actually use electricity (all my work is done quantumlly thanks to this great Albatron motherboard 
Actually, this isn't a bad thought. A computer built on sound would be naturally quantum. Here's what I mean. Sound and electromagnetic vibration are more or less the same thing. They are vibration of particles, which are themselves vibration across the phases of the "aether."
Check into it. Anyone can build a "sound" computer at home by pin-point layering auto-body resins with different "impurity substances" placed in them to cause different vibrational frequencies. Electronics are not needed, but are helpful for detecting changes in the sound vibrations.
We should amass bitcoins and buy an island.. make it a country and have it's currency BTC. That is all.
yes great Idea, lets make btc stores and jobs, btc mini gov. I like this idea, More Ideas, how come and live there when is ready.
Should make a direct democracy non of this representative crap that actually is not a democracy no matter what any one says.
all voting recorded in the blockchain
That would honestly eliminate fraud... though you would have to register your name to a wallet....
[...] Democracy means that if 51% of the people decide on something, the 49% have to follow, even if they are adamantly against it. [...]
not. that stoneage. mayority-votes lead systemically to building parties and fight over power. it is really out of date. They don't teach you the good stuff in their institutions.
We should amass bitcoins and buy an island.. make it a country and have it's currency BTC. That is all.
Yes, let's centralize all the enemies of the nation-state, so they can take us out with one single missile.Brilliant!
This goes both ways. Let's centralize them all so that we know where they are when we decide to take them out!
We should amass bitcoins and buy an island.. make it a country and have it's currency BTC. That is all.
yea fuck america and it's hI*h taxes!! lets call it New Zealand and make the currency Ruples or something
seriously America is the greatest on Earth! but we have many problems of our own (such as an overcrowded penal system, etc..)
Actually, you can find all kinds of different country ratings about all kinds of things, if you search. United States is 12th economically - http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.
General freedom - http://www.freedomhouse.org/report-types/freedom-world#.Uztl6ldcMcg.
Health freedom, U.S. is last - http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/01/new-health-rankings-of-17-nations-us-is-dead-last/267045/.
If you have to pay property tax, do you really have freedom? Isn't it the boss who tells us what we must do and not do? No freedom if there is taxation.
We should amass bitcoins and buy an island.. make it a country and have it's currency BTC. That is all.
yes great Idea, lets make btc stores and jobs, btc mini gov. I like this idea, More Ideas, how come and live there when is ready.
Should make a direct democracy non of this representative crap that actually is not a democracy no matter what any one says.
Forget the democracy idea. Democracy means that if 51% of the people decide on something, the 49% have to follow, even if they are adamantly against it. Rather, make it NO government, except...
If anyone damages someone's property, he must repay 4 times the expense of repairing the damage, and litigation expenses, as well. But if he harms someone, the same thing must be done to him as he harmed the other:
eye for eye;
tooth for tooth;
hand for hand;
life for life.
There should be judges elected by qualifications set down in a protocol like Mastercoin or Counterparty, based on Bitcoin. While there is no democracy, but rather freedom, said qualifications for judges should be voted on using Bitcoin-style security as to voting qualifications.
Judges would judge on whether harm or damage was the fault of someone, or whether it was simply the negligence of the one harmed or damaged.
Threats must be taken into account the same as harm or damage, based on judges determining whether or not the threat is valid. After all, we all say things like "f*** y**" to somebody sometime, yet we don't really mean that person any harm. But the kind of threat that would exist from someone building an atomic bomb in his garage should be judged and voted on by democratic voting, first by the judges, and then by the people.
However, if there is controversy regarding whether or not a judge judged faithfully, there should be a democratic vote by the people on the judges actions and judgement. There might be punishment for a judge who judged criminally incorrectly.
The only additional job of the judges would be to draft warnings, not laws. For example, if there is an area where it is dangerous to swim, the judges should see to it that there are signs put up that warn people from swimming there. The people would be free to swim there, but if they did, their harm and medical care would be on their own heads.
Also, judges should cause certain kinds of training to come about. For example, if a woman becomes pregnant, there should be no abortion, because it is murder. Rather, there should be warnings taught among the people that if a woman gets pregnant, she and the man have essentially agreed in advance, with the child-to-be, simply by getting together, that they will support that child until the child is strong enough and old enough to take care of himself/herself. It's on their heads for getting together in the first place, so that the child can live a reasonable life.
Let's not have direct democracy where people are controlled by the voting of other people. Let us rather have freedom and decentralization throughout the whole Bitcoin Island. The above is only some idea on how we can do it. Obviously, there would need to be a lot of details worked out.
regarding governement:
consensus-based direct democracy without representative is possible. There are high-tech democratic methods around 99,9% of you will not know about. Governments are really a waste of recources.
if you are interested in the future of real democracy take a look here:
http://systemicconsensus.blogspot.it
everything else will fail - i know from experience. I think direct democracy is congruent with what most anarchists want if it is done right. But maybe that is too progressive - i don't know. Voluntarism does not need to fail.
edit: I'll make a thread when i bought the island (later - we need btc much higher for that)
consensus-based direct democracy without representative is possible. There are high-tech democratic methods around 99,9% of you will not know about. Governments are really a waste of recources.
if you are interested in the future of real democracy take a look here:
http://systemicconsensus.blogspot.it
everything else will fail - i know from experience. I think direct democracy is congruent with what most anarchists want if it is done right. But maybe that is too progressive - i don't know. Voluntarism does not need to fail.
edit: I'll make a thread when i bought the island (later - we need btc much higher for that)
that's not a bad idea, but the purpose should be just to make it officially a currency...it can be sealand, make bitcoin the nation currency and leave the"nation" empty as it is......
A) There won't be a military defending it, this means that criminals (or the U.S., the biggest criminals) could invade it freely and incite violence with minimal provocation.
B) There won't be a government willing to sell you an island in order to establish a government on it, you will never be recognized by anyone.
C) Your newly founded country would dry out from sanctions from all the governments feeding propaganda to the stupid masses about your country being a heaven for drug dealers etc.
B) There won't be a government willing to sell you an island in order to establish a government on it, you will never be recognized by anyone.
C) Your newly founded country would dry out from sanctions from all the governments feeding propaganda to the stupid masses about your country being a heaven for drug dealers etc.
Yes this is not a best place for Bitcoin land 
This idea will grow in a minds of many
you will see One day we will meet there
and with others will be celebrating a VICTORY of BTC!
Oh I found and island guys. Send me a bitcoin and it is yours:
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I suppose that mass of trash could be easily seized and controlled. And defended.[image]
Using it won't be as easy. I mean... We could, but with some of the early adopters, bitcoin land belongs somewhere... sexier.
Oh I found and island guys. Send me a bitcoin and it is yours:
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