Topic: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil - page 3. (Read 6662 times)

Wait, wait... YOU'RE the answer!

Sorry but in any walk of life... athlete, lawyer, gold miner, pencil pusher, whatever... you will find all sorts of people across the Dungeons & Dragons alignment scale. Theres no getting around that and IMO everyone has something to contribute.

Yes, like that guy in the video about Waco.  What he did was push for a presidential order to protect the FBI agents for whisltleblowing and he started whistleblowers.org with the money he got from the court settlement.  He didn't run around like some teenager and say the whole system should be abolished and that we should use a system people used when people lived in caves. 

There is zero chance that people will group together and eliminate the "state."   There is a chance that Bitcoin will force the hands of some of those in power and change some things.  However, when someone reasonable proposes some changes this is the way some Bitcoiners react:

http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/19/interview-on-lets-talk-bitcoin-no-137-the-eye-of-the-beholder/

(You may notice the guy who suggested "hanging" Preston Byrne is the same clown complaining about raising the block size:  http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/).  This lunatic crap is really a problem for mass adoption and the screwballs are pushing out all the reasonable people.  Using Bitcoin to end war, threatening to hang people because they are not Libertarian enough, discussing Waco, Silk Road, etc. all have negative impacts on mass adoption and you see how the exchange rate keeps tanking even after Microsoft announced things.  The answer is not to elevate nut jobs like Ver, Shrem, free State Project, etc.  The answer is to push these people out so they are not associated with Bitcoin to the average person the street.   

I have to disagree here. Real change happens when people work together for a belief of something better. For example if we all collectively decided to stop paying taxes. How would the impact the country? There would have to be immediate dialog. Obamacare? Maybe its good for a handful of helpless people, but its a burden on everyone else. What if people marched and forced all of congress to use Obamacare also? Change would happen pretty quick. Usually nothing happens because there are always naysayers and those that dont hold up to their word.

We are starting to see breaking points around the country and around the globe against the government cartels that run things. People are grouping together to find our own real solutions. Bitcoin is one of them.

I don't do anything when I see your posts because they are worthless.  You go around calling people "trolls" like some teenager and you complain government is too big.  No kidding, everybody knows that.  Comcast is too big too and getting support is like contacting a government office.  So what about that?

As for a foreigner trying to get in, the US has no obligation whatsoever to accommodate someone or answer their complaints.  Just like if I went to the Saudi Arabia border and started complaining if they won't let in.

No kidding the system is flawed.  All civilizations in all of history have been flawed.  Your Waco video shows the system is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  That does not mean you completely eliminate the system and replace it with some fantasy system based on meme's.  You don't link the problems with your so-called proposed solution.  The point of the other link is to show that anyone can sit there and point to a bunch of Reddit posts and meme's but it is completely different story when you try to implement things in the real world. 

Which is indicative of a flawed system.

eta: When was the last time a failure of a governmental employee resulted in that individual 'facing problems'? I don't know about the little people on the front lines, but screwups on a monumental scale seem to typically come with increased authority, budgets, and pay.

The fact that someone renounces their citizenship is probably enough to deny them reentry.  in any case there is no obligation to give a non-citizen a reason.  Just like if I walked up to a another country's embassy and started demanding things.  They owe me nothing.

As for fears of terrorism, etc., threats don't have to be rational, just perceived.  many more people die on the highways than on planes.  When a plane goes down it is a huge issue but that many people die every weekend on the highways. 

if some government employee is faced with the decision of blocking entry to Ver or letting him in they are obviously going to choose blocking him for any one or more of the reasons I listed.  That government employee has nothing to gain by approving his entry and will face problems if something goes wrong.

The government doesn't do anything: people do.

I agree with Help.org that we should not lump all government employees into one category.

But on the same note, we also should not lump all people into one category:


Now for my rant:

Not all people are going to be concerned about security above any other issue. Some of the greatest people in history were willing to sacrifice their own security for a greater cause. In fact, one might argue that the members of the US Military AND the many people they are fighting are giving up security and risking their lives for a greater cause. The problem is both sides seem to feel that they are "defensive."

But it is probably true that many people will be concerned about their security above any other issue. I am a little bit like this WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I THINK CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE US GOV are over stepping their bounds. I am fearful that the mere fact that I am writing these words likely puts me higher someone's list. History has shown those lists are out there. And why? Because my opinion differs from theirs? Yet - they (the individual or group of individuals) can listen to me, watch my bank account, know EVERYTHING about me, and use anything I do against me; all behind a cloak without ever having to risk the same of themselves. This is dangerous because it can easily lead to (if it hasn't already) lead to a puppet government.

Yes, I am concerned for my security. I would much rather have a government that carries a big stick, but remains peaceful. We have the big stick, why do we have to go poking other countries with it?


One more thought: more people die from cancer than terrorist attacks.

I love the ideas that the USA was founded on. It saddens me greatly each time we lose or give a bit of that up in the name of greed, fear or laziness.

I know many people with dual citizenships. My wife loves her country, but got US citizenship so she could get a decent job here in the states. Running businesses overseas is not a crime. In fact many people run businesses in places like Puerto Rico for their tax benefits. Nothing wrong with that. this isnt the bible and the eye of the needle story here, so Id say Rogers yearly tax bill alone will be larger than 99% of the average Americans lifetime of taxes. That alone should give Roger a free pass to travel in the states.

The real prob is the absolute idiots running Homeland Security, ISCIS, Immigration, etc. Whatever new name our politricksters like to call it after the previous ones F something up. I dealt with them when bringing my wife to the states. Downtown Los Angeles. I got a letter saying my wife was to immediately report to Dept Homeland Security and get ready to be deported. We filed our immigration papers properly, sent them in properly and the government screwed up some of our paperwork. They were in the wrong. We headed to downtown to speak with whomever we could. Waited in line 3 hours to get in (funny how we were the only ones who spoke english, dont we have any standards anymore?) then waited another hour to reach the front desk. The large lady behind the counter with her beautiful long nails, immaculate hair style had no care for anyone in the whole building except herself. We showed her the proof that the government screwed everything up and I wanted her to fix it. She said "all this looks gooood to meee. I dont see what the problem is. looks like you done screwed up." I have no idea how these people working for the government get their jobs. Absolutely ridiculous. She refused to say the government was at fault and she threatened to have us arrested for asking to speak with her supervisor. We called our local state representative and he listened to us and promised everything would be fine. We had our case expedited and instead of waiting months, we came back in a week for an interview and found out that lady that helped us had since been fired.

In Rogers case, if he had an educated person behind the desk helping him, if that person spoke to others in the building and just looked at the docs, Roger would have been fine to enter. The people they look for are the ones with zero connections to home and become a flight risk to stay in the US and become a financial burden on the state. Roger is none of those.

This was a political move against Roger no doubt about it.

I would like to point out a few more things:

1. The law states I only need to have ties to a country outside of the USA.  It doesn't need to be my country of citizenship.

2. In addition to 9 years of history with Japan, I already have strong ties to St Kitts at this point.  In St Kitts, I bought a substantial amount of real estate, have local friends, started my own local business, and have participated deeply with other local businesses.

I would hazard a guess that you'd also score "more points", if you were citizen of the country you had "permanent ties" with and applied with that passport. Possibly the immigration droid is programmed to think that if you are presenting a St Kitts and Nevis passport, your proof of residence/employment ties should have something to do with St Kitts and Nevis.

You don't seem to understand that you can't pick out one or 2 facts, these things are determined by looking at the entire picture.  You are also not going to get a complete answer by asking someone through a window at an embassy or entry point.

Apparently:
-You have property and other ties to the US.
-You run an offshore tax haven business
-You have citizenship in more than one country
-You have been in jail for explosives.
-You have made many statements about federal agents that could be taken as a threat
-You have renounced your citizenship
-You have a radical/fantasy agenda

Plus:
-Terrorism is a hot button issue
-Several Police officers have recently been ambushed and the statements they made before they did are similar to statements you make on a regular basis.

Like it or not, irrespective of what Ben Franklin said, people are going to be concerned about security above any of the issue you have.  You can complain all you want how this is wrong but it isn't going to change it.  if people feel threatened they will do anything and everything else goes out the window.

They were already listed for sale last year,  and that has no bearing on the visa issue.
Foreigners can own real estate in the USA.
Obama himself admits that they have a monopoly on violence:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64KcZsD82E
I don't support using violence on peaceful people.

Yes, you have several properties listen in your name in California.  Sell those and reapply.  Your rights in those properties are being protected by "the violent ones" anyway so I am sure you don't want that.

Here is another letter where they gave the specific reason in writing rather than just in verbal form:

I withdraw my slap upside the head and replace it with a tap on the wrist then.

@memorydealers

good to hear from you, imho you are a top,top man
followed your story with interest over the years

without doubt it was insane uncle sam inflicted that sentence on you and is beyond a joke you cannot enter your country of birth even though paying huge taxes

I foresee in more time to come many indigenous americans will be doing everything to rescind their passports

imo, don't waste too much of your time and energy on this, I realise this is a matter of principle but the US is one of the last places on earth I would visit with the regime running it along with draconian customs, insane cops and the rest of it. not to mention what they have done to this world past few decades.

this is no slur on americans reading this as there are many amazing people from america.

push on with that your doing mate, you've obviously put some noses out of joint, some faceless soulless bureacrats have been told to say no to your application.
don't waste any more energy or money on this, enjoy your life and what you're doing in better places. if the revolution comes, go back after  

Thanks for showing up and clearing up the issue with the truth. I would have been disappointed if you didn't show.

You're efforts over the years deserve our support.

Good luck with your fight.

The letter says they are not giving a specific reason.


That is not possible which is why your agenda is a fantasy.  Stop linking your fantasy agenda to Bitcoin.  As for the rest of your life ... who cares?  You are doing fine and if you want to sit there and cry how "the violent ones" are ruining your life then go to Bitcoin island and have fun.

so whoever doesnt agree with you is a stan lover lal