Topic: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil - page 6. (Read 6676 times)

That, I'm sure, would be their argument. I would counter by saying that the difficulty or expense would be greatly reduced by the fact that this guy has been all over the media for at least five years and wouldn't be that hard to find. I think a every media outlet in the country would run the story and he would be found in a day. They could close his business and confiscate MemoryDealers in San Jose as a repayment for his debt to this poor nation who had to suffer through the ordeal of having a businessman running free (I couldn't even type that without laughing). You're right though, America enforces everything around the world "very strictly"

I remember seeing the Free State Project ads on CoinVisitor. Didn't know that was still in operation.

It's just easier and cheaper to refuse entry to risky people than to go chasing them down across the country when they run off. It sucks big time, but the US aren't the only ones who have these crazy immigration laws, although they do enforce them very strictly.

Well, the people involved in the Free State Project seem to think so.

If you recall that sort of behaviour helped spark the revolution that the USofA started from. Has it come full circle?

I guess your right but if he violates the terms of his visa can't they just expel him? Or are they afraid that the ridiculous system of monitoring imposed on the people over the past few decades won't be enough to find him? Can't they just pick him up when he hops out of the forest like a scared deer to visit this family that he is here to be around? The law just looks like a spoiled bully that is making up stupid rules because they're pissed because one of their subjects stood up for himself and said, enough is enough.

It's because he renounced his citizenship. He has a criminal record, it's next to impossible to get a US travel visa with a criminal record. Also because he was once a US citizenship and has many ties to the US such as family, there is a chance he may decide not to return once his travel visa expires and stay as an illegal immigrant in the US. This is why he's being denied, nothing to do with Bitcoin AFAICT.

I guess either one is kind of dumb. Explosives of all types should probably be regulated and kept under the control of a power greater than the individual. Warriors controlled by the collective and dedicated to an end game need that control. Although, it's the end game that makes me want to keep some personal control over them but I see your point. It's not like public controlled utilities like PG&E ever blow up entire city blocks or C-4 ever ends up missing because some soldier steals it.

Anyone that makes a mistake in life should be ostracized? You have a pretty authoritarian view of the world for a Bitcoiner.

Oh, and you can lump control of all U. S. Government agencies together. When we do that we call it Congress. lol

Loaded ammo doesn't have a fuse sticking out of it, and the container is quite durable.  Rounds can cook off in a fire though.  Nitrocellulose and black power are also a different beast than some explosives.  They burn more than explode (much less detonate) when not confined, though they burn pretty quickly.  The primer material is a different matter.

I'm a staunch believer in the 2nd, but if you have goobers living in multi-family units and having things like half gallon milk cartons full of black powder kicking around that's is, unhappily, a fairly good reason for Big Brother to be regulating.  There are many hobbies and businesses which one should probably defer on until one has their own place.  Alternately, if one gets a thumbs-up from all of the folks who live in the same building, I'm cool with that.

Of course, that is why I am involved.  Just because I am dissatisfied with parts of the system does not mean the solution is some kind of ridiculous fantasy anarcho-whatever system that would have everyone living in caves.

As for the "US Government" it is a collection of different agencies and branches all with their own missions and interests.  Only delusion wing nuts group lump them together into one entity and they are voted in by the populace anyway.

Bitcoin is a tool that will force the hands of certain regulatory and commercial entities but it isn't going to end wars or collapse governments.   The only people who think that way are a few dumb kids who have not experienced the world and a few older mentally ill people like Roger Ver who don't learn anything from their life experiences.

I'm not really sure how much in weight he has hanging around but I would guess it's a lot more than 50lbs because we chip in and he reloads for a bunch of us. lol

Because 5lb of powder is completely the same as ~50lb of powder. 

Millions of people store ammunition in paper boxes all over the country. I have a friend that reloads his own rounds. He has a half gallon milk carton like container full of black powder that he pours powder out of into his reloader. He lives in a TIC (like an apartment) with four other families and stores it in his closet. What he's doing is perfectly legal.

IMO it's not selling them, it's the storage in apartment building he completely deserved slap upside the head for.

You do realize that many of the people using Bitcoin have something they hate about the current system of governance. They see Bitcoin as a way to take a bite out government control and put themselves in charge. The most obvious reason for that perception is because they feel they were somehow wronged by the system. Why should Ver be any different. When I was young we used M-80s to scare game away from our back yards. We could buy huge Roman candles that carried enough black powder to blow up a barn. I guess sometime in the last 30 years or so the American people got too stupid to be allowed to use fireworks safely. That's funny because I read a report that firework accidents causing house fires have continuously gone up over the last 30 years even though fireworks are less potent and better regulated. I don't see Ver as being a real threat to this stupid country. I just don't see him entering the country to compete with Indian reservations by selling illegal fireworks. I can only imagine that if you knew the full bio on a lot of the Bitcoin supporters you would probably run for the hills.

The U.S. Government acts like the biggest kid on the block. He's a bully that's used to getting his own way and steals your lunch money. When he doesn't get his way because someone stands up to him he holds a grudge and causes as much trouble as he can. Someone needs to report the USG to the teacher because he needs a good spanking.

Interesting.  It looks like many of the statements floating around from people like Rassah are false.  They claim Ver was the only person to serve a jail sentence.  But look here, another guy got 6 years for the same thing:

http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Newsroom/News-Releases/2004/Indiana-Businessman-Sentenced-to-Over-Six-Years-in-Federal-Prison-for-Illegally-Selling-Professional-Fireworks-To-Consumers/

http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Newsroom/News-Releases/2003/Missouri-Company-Ordered-To-Stop-Manufacturing-and-Selling-Illegal-Fireworks/

"While engaging in the business of selling explosive devices, Mr. Ver stored the explosives in a residential apartment building and mailed the devices via the United States Mail..."

I probably shouldn't get a big grin reading that...

PCR2000 was actually a significant thing. There were quite a few dealers, many professional B&Ms with mail-order. ... That probably shouldn't have weakened my original grin.

They were M-80 firecracker like things.  Likely they would peel the flesh off one's hand.  Probably if fun toys like that were still easily available there would be somewhat more injuries, but also somewhat more wisdom as well...for those who made it through adolescence at least.  After all there are still a lot of ways to hurt oneself which are perfectly legal yet.

I've got relatively little against the guy for selling the things on e-bay.  Storing 50 lbs of them in one's residential apartment, however, is a whole different kettle of fish.  10 months in the pokey for it might be about right for that.  There is a huge difference between knowingly buying something like an M-80 and unknowingly getting your face blown off if the idiot upstairs has a box of explosives in his closet right over your bed.

Very interesting, Fred Whitehurst.  I met him several times when I worked for the FAA.  I did research on explosives and weapons detection systems (my background is in physics) and the FBI would look at our tests because they would use some of the same equipment as the FAA (This was before Homeland security existed).  Whitehurst was an FBI agent and worked in the crime lab and he knew a lot about detecting explosives.  He would go on dangerous missions and he had stories about how he was in war-torn countries would fake a flat tire so he could rub up against a suspect car bomb vehicle and take his clothes back to lab to check for residue. 

He used to uncover a bunch of improprieties at the FBI lab and complain about them.  He eventually got into a big dispute with the FBI and spent several years going to law school at night.  He got a law degree, quit, and sued the FBI and got a big settlement.

The government is full of screw-ups and people trying to cover their ass but the stupid "anarchy" stuff is no solution of any sort.  it is just a childish reaction to the normal human problem you see in any system. 

Since Whitehurst was and FBI agent people like Ver and the Free State Project call him a "murderer" too.  Don't you see how ridiculous those people are and how stupid they make Bitcoin look?