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Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

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Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

This is trivial. Bust a drug dealer, offer him or her prosecution immunity in return for setting up sting op. Done deal.

So meanwhile the drug dealer is still selling drugs to maintain good feedback??

Bro, listen. I already explained this. Take 12 agents. Have 1 agents pretend to sell many times to the other 11 and have the 11 leave glowing feedback. It does not take much to get reputation on SR. Have you visited it? http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/ via Tor.

And then two other people try to buy drugs and it drops below 100%. Sting fails.

No, that's not how SR works. If you try to buy something from a dealer, he doesn't have to oblige and future buyers don't require that certain other buyers have already left positive feedback. It just takes some good reputation to lure in a buyer, and it doesn't take much.

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Quote from: BitcoinHoarder on July 15, 2011, 02:01:24 PM

Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

This is trivial. Bust a drug dealer, offer him or her prosecution immunity in return for setting up sting op. Done deal.

So meanwhile the drug dealer is still selling drugs to maintain good feedback?? The moment someone doesn't get their drugs, they rant about it in the forums, and the drug dealer's rep is screwed. Sting fails.

Holy sweet Jesus imperi has outsmarted the Feds on this one.

Fuck, someone give him his own CSI spinoff...

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Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

This is trivial. Bust a drug dealer, offer him or her prosecution immunity in return for setting up sting op. Done deal.

So meanwhile the drug dealer is still selling drugs to maintain good feedback??

Bro, listen. I already explained this. Take 12 agents. Have 1 agents pretend to sell many times to the other 11 and have the 11 leave glowing feedback. It does not take much to get reputation on SR. Have you visited it? http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/ via Tor.

And then two other people try to buy drugs and it drops below 100%. Sting fails.

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Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 02:00:17 PM

Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

This is trivial. Bust a drug dealer, offer him or her prosecution immunity in return for setting up sting op. Done deal.

So meanwhile the drug dealer is still selling drugs to maintain good feedback??

Bro, listen. I already explained this. Take 12 agents. Have 1 agents pretend to sell many times to the other 11 and have the 11 leave glowing feedback. It does not take much to get reputation on SR. Have you visited it? http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/ via Tor.

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Quote from: imperi on July 15, 2011, 01:55:32 PM

Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:54:47 PM

Quote from: imperi on July 15, 2011, 01:55:32 PM

Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

No, no one cares because people buy things on craigslist in cash (USD). People have been buying cars in cash since they were invented. To my knowledge, no one has ever bought a car with bitcoins.

I don't think Synaptic has ever spent more than $200 before, from his mom's credit card.

Synaptic, I'll give you an example. I buy all my cars in cash, period. The latest car I bought cost $6000. I withdrew $6000 from my bank in cash and carried that with me to make the purchase. It's very nerve racking carrying that much cash in your pocket. With a bitcoin transaction, you don't carry any cash in your pocket and yet it is as good as cash.

Have you tried Dwolla?

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Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:54:47 PM

Quote from: BitcoinHoarder on July 15, 2011, 01:59:34 PM

Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

No, no one cares because people buy things on craigslist in cash (USD). People have been buying cars in cash since they were invented. To my knowledge, no one has ever bought a car with bitcoins.

I don't think Synaptic has ever spent more than $200 before, from his mom's credit card.

Synaptic, I'll give you an example. I buy all my cars in cash, period. The latest car I bought cost $6000. I withdrew $6000 from my bank in cash and carried that with me to make the purchase. It's very nerve racking carrying that much cash in your pocket. With a bitcoin transaction, you don't carry any cash in your pocket and yet it is as good as cash.

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I love it here, I really do.

Why are your responses so sarcastic? You can leave.

Maybe because I was being genuine? You can stay.

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Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

This is trivial. Bust a drug dealer, offer him or her prosecution immunity in return for setting up sting op. Done deal.

So meanwhile the drug dealer is still selling drugs to maintain good feedback?? The moment someone doesn't get their drugs, they rant about it in the forums, and the drug dealer's rep is screwed. Sting fails.

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Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:54:47 PM

I love it here, I really do.

Why are your responses so sarcastic? You can leave.

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Quote from: imperi on July 15, 2011, 01:55:32 PM

Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

No, no one cares because people buy things on craigslist in cash (USD). People have been buying cars in cash since they were invented. To my knowledge, no one has ever bought a car with bitcoins.

To my knowledge, no-one has ever bought anything with a paper bag of shit.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

If only there were a popular news outlet that would cover such a story so I could stay abreast of all things bag of shit related...

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Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:54:47 PM

Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

No, no one cares because people buy things on craigslist in cash (USD). People have been buying cars in cash since they were invented. To my knowledge, no one has ever bought a car with bitcoins.

I don't think Synaptic has ever spent more than $200 before, from his mom's credit card.

HAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAH

HAHAH.

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Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

This is trivial. Bust a drug dealer, offer him or her prosecution immunity in return for setting up sting op. Done deal.

Synaptic

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Quote from: BitcoinHoarder on July 15, 2011, 01:49:03 PM

This is an important point. I think that many folks here think that the Government is "dumb". It is *not*. It may be operating along principles that you disagree with, but it is most definitely not stupid.

Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:54:47 PM

Undercover agents can't pose as dealers because they don't have good reputation and good feedback from successful sales. Furthermore, they lack early number userids.

Driving in a car is "crazy" for someone who spent their whole life in the Amazon rain forest, but once they have done it enough they know it is safe. Like buying on the Silk Road.

I think you vastly underestimate the resourcefulness and long term planning of Federal law enforcement.

...oh wait. imperi.

NVM, carry on.

If you don't offer a way that law enforcement could *viably* disrupt Silk Road, rather than take down a dozen or so buyers (and generate lots of free publicity), then you don't have a valid argument.

It would only take a dozen stings to disrupt confidence in the community. So the community would move to the next place (minus a certain percent of people who get too scared), and so would the agents. That's how law enforcement goes.

Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales.

Screenplay says?

IMPERI: Exists stage left.

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Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

No, no one cares because people buy things on craigslist in cash (USD). People have been buying cars in cash since they were invented. To my knowledge, no one has ever bought a car with bitcoins.

I don't think Synaptic has ever spent more than $200 before, from his mom's credit card.

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Quote from: BitcoinHoarder on July 15, 2011, 01:49:03 PM

Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

No, no one cares because people buy things on craigslist in cash (USD). People have been buying cars in cash since they were invented. To my knowledge, no one has ever bought a car with bitcoins.

imperi

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This is an important point. I think that many folks here think that the Government is "dumb". It is *not*. It may be operating along principles that you disagree with, but it is most definitely not stupid.

Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:47:07 PM

Undercover agents can't pose as dealers because they don't have good reputation and good feedback from successful sales. Furthermore, they lack early number userids.

Driving in a car is "crazy" for someone who spent their whole life in the Amazon rain forest, but once they have done it enough they know it is safe. Like buying on the Silk Road.

I think you vastly underestimate the resourcefulness and long term planning of Federal law enforcement.

...oh wait. imperi.

NVM, carry on.

If you don't offer a way that law enforcement could *viably* disrupt Silk Road, rather than take down a dozen or so buyers (and generate lots of free publicity), then you don't have a valid argument.

It would only take a dozen stings to disrupt confidence in the community. So the community would move to the next place (minus a certain percent of people who get too scared), and so would the agents. That's how law enforcement goes.

Everyone lives in very separate locations, so each 'sting' would cost thousands of dollars per college kid to arrest in coordinated efforts, and some would fail because the address recipient wasn't the drug buyer.

edit:

Nobody has explained yet how the police could get good feedback, which is necessary to make lots of sales. Are they going to hack the site? lol

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Quote from: Synaptic on July 15, 2011, 01:44:59 PM

Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:41:33 PM

Quote from: Synaptic on July 15, 2011, 01:37:34 PM

Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:32:50 PM

Quote from: Synaptic on July 15, 2011, 01:24:22 PM

Quote from: imperi on July 15, 2011, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: Synaptic on July 15, 2011, 01:20:16 PM

Quote from: supersonic3974 on July 15, 2011, 01:16:07 PM

Just because you can't think of any potential newsworthy events, that doesn't mean there aren't any. It just means you have a limited imagination.

And what about your imagination?

I just responded to someone who took a shot and took the piss out of him easily.

C'mon everyone, try it. Let's all use our imaginations to come up with something that might show up in THE ECONOMIST again, or THE NEW YORK POST, or TIME. Or really any publication that has a wide audience.

So if there aren't daily articles in the New York Times about Bitcoin, it's dying?

If you excercise any reading comprehention and read my first post, I'm actually saying that if there aren't any reasonable reasons upcoming for bitcoin to get the media exposure that DRIVES SPECULATION which is only thing at all that DRIVES BITCOIN VALUE, then yes, it's dying.

I doesn't have to be a huge media outlet to drive speculation. If the less techy public learns that you can buy a car with bitcoins, then that is going to get their attention.

Why would it, if they can just buy it with USD?

Cause I can tell you flat the fuck out that no-one will EVER finance a car with bitcoins. And if bitcoins are as good as cash for that purchase, what the fuck is the point?

There can be incentives to using bitcoins to make a purchase like that. Say someone offers a discount if they buy in bitcoins.

Yeah, bullshit incentives are actually the only thing that COULD get people to buy in bitcoins.

And what astoundingly extreme circumstances can you imagine that would drive a used car dealer to not only start excepting bitcoins, but to TAKE A LOSS relative to a sale in USD?

I swear, I have never been among a more banal group of people since I took a comical trip to a local scientology org...

Have you ever heard of "for sale by owner"?

Have you ever heard of "no-one gives a fuck?"

Again, no-one cares that a guy traded a brown paper bag containing a copious bowl movement that's held closed by scotch tape with a drawing made by his 6 year old first born son on the front for a fancy yacht.

I mean, really? Every odd sale or trade on craigslist is newsworthy? Enough to drive market speculation on the bags of shit exchange?

I love it here, I really do.

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This is an important point. I think that many folks here think that the Government is "dumb". It is *not*. It may be operating along principles that you disagree with, but it is most definitely not stupid.

Quote from: Synaptic on July 15, 2011, 01:37:34 PM

Undercover agents can't pose as dealers because they don't have good reputation and good feedback from successful sales. Furthermore, they lack early number userids.

Driving in a car is "crazy" for someone who spent their whole life in the Amazon rain forest, but once they have done it enough they know it is safe. Like buying on the Silk Road.

I think you vastly underestimate the resourcefulness and long term planning of Federal law enforcement.

...oh wait. imperi.

NVM, carry on.

If you don't offer a way that law enforcement could *viably* disrupt Silk Road, rather than take down a dozen or so buyers (and generate lots of free publicity), then you don't have a valid argument.

It would only take a dozen stings to disrupt confidence in the community. So the community would move to the next place (minus a certain percent of people who get too scared), and so would the agents. That's how law enforcement goes.

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Cause I can tell you flat the fuck out that no-one will EVER finance a car with bitcoins. And if bitcoins are as good as cash for that purchase, what the fuck is the point?

Have you ever tried to buy a car belonging to her recently passed away husband from a little old lady in Salina, Kansas with "cash" while her apparently inbred yet highly paranoid relatives supervise the transaction? Let me tell you, it's not fun negotiating what type of check and guarantees she will accept let alone getting them in the middle of Outer Mongolia, 400 miles from home.

If (and this is still if) bitcoins were mainstream enough for her and her relatives to know it's an irreversible, secure transaction I could make from my phone and they could verify in 10 minutes I'd have had that 67 Bronco without two dozen new grey hairs.

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This is an important point. I think that many folks here think that the Government is "dumb". It is *not*. It may be operating along principles that you disagree with, but it is most definitely not stupid.