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sr. member
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It's something else, the mentality of people perhaps? I have no clue actually, Americans are probably a little bit too gun crazy but assuming the same would happen in Europe when you allowed guns is wrong in my opinion.

Well, three of the examples you quoted have more guns than the UK and less than the US, and have more gun deaths than the UK and less than the US, so I'm not sure what your point is there. Jamaica and many other countries with higher gun death rate than the US (e.g. Somalia) are outliers because the rule of law in general is weak, the police are corrupt, and border controls are poor, making it very difficult to control gun ownership. It is not only a matter of outlawing them, but being able to properly enforce that law. As you've kindly demonstrated, the correlation between gun density and gun deaths still holds.

Suicide is a non-argument anyway, I don't need a gun to kill myself, a rope is just as effective. And those homicides, I can take a knife or a hammer and kill someone too. I won't ever do those things though, not with or without a gun.

It certainly isn't a non-argument - a gun is by any measure the easiest and fastest way of killing yourself. In the time it takes to buy a rope, tie a noose, find a chair etc., many people will have second thoughts. The same argument applies to homicide - it is difficult and risky, not to mention visceral, bloody and horrifyingly intimate, to kill some-one with a knife or a hammer, whereas a gun can be used at a relative distance with ease and detachment.

Certainly if you are utterly, mercilessly determined to kill yourself or some-one else then you will be able to, but that doesn't apply in most cases, and guns make it easy to go through with it. The presence of guns also has the ability to turn any angry or violent confrontation into a murder scene in the heat of the moment.

Do you have any response to the fact that you are more likely to be killed if you have a gun in your home, not less? Self-defence?

Surprisingly enough , some of us feel safer enough without guns to protect them from criminals, and not willing to risk to get shot by your neighbor having too many beers at his barbeque party.

This.

Well spoken!!
I Feel safer for sure without guns, in my country you know you dont have to fear anyone can bring a gun to even normal people. I just dont like the idea that anybody can have a gun.
Ofcourse people can bring other weapons like hammer/baseballbat/knife but you can defend alot better vs that.
And with a gun, 1 bullet is all it takes you only have to pull the trigger. 
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
This is a really good idea, I want to live in the town to how can I signup?
I only dont like the location you should choose a country where guns are Banned.
And Where smoking and growing weed is legalized.
Mexico is dangerous to with all the cartels.
Better choose a country where Eu-Usa cant touch us, and where they have nice weather!

wait what? why would you want to live in a country where guns are banned? unless you are a criminal,  how would you defend yourself from criminals who would have guns whether they were banned or not?

Surprisingly enough , some of us feel safer enough without guns to protect them from criminals , and not willing to risk to get shot by your neighbor having too many beers at his barbeque party.
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No, the same amount of criminals would have them, it wouldn't be criminals if they would obey the law. If it doesn't bother you to rob someone, it won't bother you to have an illegal weapon. Tongue

You know it isn't split between "law-abiding perfect citizens" and "die-hard murderous criminals" right? Firstly, of course it bothers most criminals to break two laws instead of one, not because they are moral people but because they engage in basic risk management. Secondly, more people become criminals when guns are easily available.

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

You can rationalise it all you want, but the statistics are quite clear. Gun deaths per 100,000 population:

US: 10.3 (victims have the right to defend themselves with guns)
UK: 0.25 (criminals have a harder time getting guns, and are arrested if caught carrying)

Within US (AJE):

"Persons with guns in the home are at significantly greater risk of death by both homicide and suicide than those without guns in the home."
I can do this too:
Switzerland: 3.84 (45,7 guns /100 people, every men actually gets a gun)
Sweden: 1.47 (31.6 guns / 100 people and 1.20 are suicides, and a rope is just as effective, so I don't think those would have been saved)
Norway: 1.78 (One of the safest countries in the world, went there a few times and never felt safer than anywhere else, 31.3 guns / 100 people though)
Jamaica: 39.74 (8.1 guns / 100 people, that's only a little more than in the UK where it is 6.7)

So the more guns the population has, the safer the country?

No of course not, that would be a wrong conclusion, like you just did. Yes, the UK has one of the lowest deaths by guns but it has nothing to do with the law, many countries where gun regulation is just as strict score higher than for example Sweden and Norway. (Belgium, France,...)

Why aren't there more accidents in Scandinavia and Switzerland with guns like in the US? Or why has Jamaica a crazy high amount of deaths by guns while they have restricted gun laws and don't have many more guns than the UK?

It's something else, the mentality of people perhaps? I have no clue actually, Americans are probably a little bit too gun crazy but assuming the same would happen in Europe when you allowed guns is wrong in my opinion. Suicide is a non-argument anyway, I don't need a gun to kill myself, a rope is just as effective. And those homicides, I can take a knife or a hammer and kill someone too. I won't ever do those things though, not with or without a gun. But I should have the right to defend my family and possessions, now and in the future if things would go really bad. And a gun is still the most effective tool for that, if I was a criminal I really would think twice to rob a house where the owners have guns.

btw: http://chartsbin.com/view/2642
Better ban cars first?
sr. member
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No, the same amount of criminals would have them, it wouldn't be criminals if they would obey the law. If it doesn't bother you to rob someone, it won't bother you to have an illegal weapon. Tongue

You know it isn't split between "law-abiding perfect citizens" and "die-hard murderous criminals" right? Firstly, of course it bothers most criminals to break two laws instead of one, not because they are moral people but because they engage in basic risk management. Secondly, more people become criminals when guns are easily available.

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

You can rationalise it all you want, but the statistics are quite clear. Gun deaths per 100,000 population:

US: 10.3 (victims have the right to defend themselves with guns)
UK: 0.25 (criminals have a harder time getting guns, and are arrested if caught carrying)

Within US (AJE):

"Persons with guns in the home are at significantly greater risk of death by both homicide and suicide than those without guns in the home."

Yes when guns are easy to get ofcourse more people will get them.
I know Americans love there guns and stuff but they cause so many problems to.
Way more shootings and unnecesary deaths, guns are a evil invention, for 1 goal only, killing people.
And i think its bad for bitcointown to have guns in it, i mean in other country's you dont even need guns to protect yourself, because only the hard criminals will have them.
And if you have good security its not needed at all!
sr. member
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load of bollox
newbie
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No, the same amount of criminals would have them, it wouldn't be criminals if they would obey the law. If it doesn't bother you to rob someone, it won't bother you to have an illegal weapon. Tongue

You know it isn't split between "law-abiding perfect citizens" and "die-hard murderous criminals" right? Firstly, of course it bothers most criminals to break two laws instead of one, not because they are moral people but because they engage in basic risk management. Secondly, more people become criminals when guns are easily available.

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

You can rationalise it all you want, but the statistics are quite clear. Gun deaths per 100,000 population:

US: 10.3 (victims have the right to defend themselves with guns)
UK: 0.25 (criminals have a harder time getting guns, and are arrested if caught carrying)

Within US (AJE):

"Persons with guns in the home are at significantly greater risk of death by both homicide and suicide than those without guns in the home."
legendary
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I wish Bitcoin rules the world and this Fucking American rule end.
member
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Guns are banned where I live, they don't cost that much, any criminal can afford them.  Undecided

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

And you are against guns but it is ok to electrocute someone or send a bunch of guard dogs after them? I have dogs but to be honest I wouldn't want them to risk their life if I catch an armed thief in the house. I would prefer to shoot him instead of my dogs attacking him and maybe get killed, their life is more precious to me than anything else. But that aside, immobilize someone with a shot in the leg is probably more human than electrocute someone or get him shredded by dogs, piranhas, alligators,...

But if in your country guns where allowed, more criminals would have them and more shootings would occure.
Ofcourse trained dogs, and i like dogs to but i dont think trained dogs will be affraid of that.
I dont care about the people trying to kill/steal from bitcointown, but i do care of the safety of the people.
And i think guns can happen alot of accidents with.
No, the same amount of criminals would have them, it wouldn't be criminals if they would obey the law. If it doesn't bother you to rob someone, it won't bother you to have an illegal weapon. Tongue
And you're right about the dogs, they won't be afraid, but if that criminal is armed, the dog will lose it against a bullet. He will just run towards his death, even a knife is enough to take a dog down.



The problem with guns is that they are easy to use and the same time
dangerous as also kids can use them. Sad
And recently as you can see there were some slaughters made by kids i some schools in US and europe.
It would be better for community to learn martial arts Wink this way you will get community of
physically healthy and physically stable mature non violent people.

I would also tell that the biggest criminals are not this poor few
mentally challenged that are waving with guns
but the others that are wearing nice suites and ties Wink
You're a special kind of idiot if you give your kid a weapon or keep it in reach of a child. You don't give a child knifes and sharp scissors to play with either, I don't see why a responsible adult couldn't have a gun though. If you give me a gun, I'm pretty sure no accidents will happen and no child will come near it.

How do you explain those slaughters in Europe by the way? Guns are banned in most European countries. Wink
And good luck with those martial arts when you need to fight against a bullet, unless your name is Neo, you'll probably lose it.

We can agree on that last thing though.  Grin
sr. member
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Guns are banned where I live, they don't cost that much, any criminal can afford them.  Undecided

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

And you are against guns but it is ok to electrocute someone or send a bunch of guard dogs after them? I have dogs but to be honest I wouldn't want them to risk their life if I catch an armed thief in the house. I would prefer to shoot him instead of my dogs attacking him and maybe get killed, their life is more precious to me than anything else. But that aside, immobilize someone with a shot in the leg is probably more human than electrocute someone or get him shredded by dogs, piranhas, alligators,...

But if in your country guns where allowed, more criminals would have them and more shootings would occure.
Ofcourse trained dogs, and i like dogs to but i dont think trained dogs will be affraid of that.
I dont care about the people trying to kill/steal from bitcointown, but i do care of the safety of the people.
And i think guns can happen alot of accidents with.


The problem with guns is that they are easy to use and the same time
dangerous as also kids can use them. Sad
And recently as you can see there were some slaughters made by kids i some schools in US and europe.
It would be better for community to learn martial arts Wink this way you will get community of
physically healthy and physically stable mature non violent people.

I would also tell that the biggest criminals are not this poor few
mentally challenged that are waving with guns
but the others that are wearing nice suites and ties Wink

Yes i think you have a nice idea martial arts for everyone we kick criminals there asses Cheesy
And yeh the people who we really need to be care of are the people trying to stop bitcoin
hero member
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Guns are banned where I live, they don't cost that much, any criminal can afford them.  Undecided

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

And you are against guns but it is ok to electrocute someone or send a bunch of guard dogs after them? I have dogs but to be honest I wouldn't want them to risk their life if I catch an armed thief in the house. I would prefer to shoot him instead of my dogs attacking him and maybe get killed, their life is more precious to me than anything else. But that aside, immobilize someone with a shot in the leg is probably more human than electrocute someone or get him shredded by dogs, piranhas, alligators,...

Is nice if the guns are banned but this should be done according of the environment.
I'm against guns but if environment is hostile then guns are required.
The problem with guns is that they are easy to use and the same time
dangerous as also kids can use them. Sad
And recently as you can see there were some slaughters made by kids i some schools in US and europe.
It would be better for community to learn martial arts Wink this way you will get community of
physically healthy and physically stable mature non violent people.

I would also tell that the biggest criminals are not this poor few
mentally challenged that are waving with guns
but the others that are wearing nice suites and ties Wink
member
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Guns are banned where I live, they don't cost that much, any criminal can afford them.  Undecided

If you ban guns, you only end up with criminals having them and citizens who can't defend themselves.

And you are against guns but it is ok to electrocute someone or send a bunch of guard dogs after them? I have dogs but to be honest I wouldn't want them to risk their life if I catch an armed thief in the house. I would prefer to shoot him instead of my dogs attacking him and maybe get killed, their life is more precious to me than anything else. But that aside, immobilize someone with a shot in the leg is probably more human than electrocute someone or get him shredded by dogs, piranhas, alligators,...
sr. member
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Most criminals dont have guns in country's where they are banned.
Ofcourse if they really want to get it they got it but for alot of money, and they are hard to get.
So not all criminals have the resources to even get guns or the money for them.
We can just use the drone with laser they are making with bitcoins Cheesy
Nah We could have a big group of guard dogs, and A lake around us with piranhas and alligators.
And things to electrocute them, tons of stuff you can do other then guns.
Guns only bring problems to the world! 
legendary
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This is a really good idea, I want to live in the town to how can I signup?
I only dont like the location you should choose a country where guns are Banned.
And Where smoking and growing weed is legalized.
Mexico is dangerous to with all the cartels.
Better choose a country where Eu-Usa cant touch us, and where they have nice weather!

wait what? why would you want to live in a country where guns are banned? unless you are a criminal,  how would you defend yourself from criminals who would have guns whether they were banned or not?
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 511
This is a really good idea, I want to live in the town to how can I signup?
I only dont like the location you should choose a country where guns are Banned.
And Where smoking and growing weed is legalized.
Mexico is dangerous to with all the cartels.
Better choose a country where Eu-Usa cant touch us, and where they have nice weather!
newbie
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Bitcoin as main currency is really getting real. I can’t wait to see this get implemented. I’ve only seen few business establishments that are using bitcoin, and now a whole town? This is really amazing!
legendary
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Arent some libertarians trying to set up something like this in New Hampshire already?

Edit: http://freestateproject.org/
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Google/YouTube
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You guys can start your town in detroit.



that actually might be the cheapest method

okay where is the place with lowest property taxes?
If you guys are doing it in detroit you can just squat.
I don't think those properties will be claimed for a while.
Just don't forget your guns, you're going to need them.
Also record it and broadcast it on the internet for profit/hilarity.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Detroit well you won't be short on spare parts  Grin

(Apologies to all people who worked at the big 3)
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