Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 187.

jonald_fyookball

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: TooDumbForBitcoin on September 11, 2015, 08:27:53 AM

Quote from: uxgpf on September 11, 2015, 03:25:19 AM

Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

GitHub is probably better place for peer review and discussing patches than reddit:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/61#issuecomment-139344632

I guess Peter Todd knows that too, but just couldn't resist posting a good propaganda piece on Reddit.

Anyway the patch works to limit mempool size, so can be enabled during the current "stress test" if needed. There's also some follow up ideas on Bitcoin XT mailing list like picking two random transactions and evicting the lower fee/kB one. In case you have more insight to the issue I'm sure that constructive criticism is appreciated.

Am I hearing you correctly? It's okay for Hearn to post a short, generalized summary of an XT patch, but it's wrong for someone else to follow up with important vulnerability details about the patch, and comment on the patch's review process?

If the latter is propaganda, what is the former?

Peter's comments are fine, and it's fine to use that an example of why peer review is good...But irrelevant to the important goal of scaling Bitcoin on the main chain.

mallard

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Quote from: Peter R on September 09, 2015, 05:26:41 PM

Quote from: brg444 on September 09, 2015, 04:54:56 PM

so core devs control all the nodes and miners now Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.

But we choose to run that code.

TooDumbForBitcoin

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Quote from: uxgpf on September 11, 2015, 03:25:19 AM

Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

GitHub is probably better place for peer review and discussing patches than reddit:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/61#issuecomment-139344632

I guess Peter Todd knows that too, but just couldn't resist posting a good propaganda piece on Reddit.

Anyway the patch works to limit mempool size, so can be enabled during the current "stress test" if needed. There's also some follow up ideas on Bitcoin XT mailing list like picking two random transactions and evicting the lower fee/kB one. In case you have more insight to the issue I'm sure that constructive criticism is appreciated.

Am I hearing you correctly? It's okay for Hearn to post a short, generalized summary of an XT patch, but it's wrong for someone else to follow up with important vulnerability details about the patch, and comment on the patch's review process?

If the latter is propaganda, what is the former?

uxgpf

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Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

GitHub is probably better place for peer review and discussing patches than reddit:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/issues/61#issuecomment-139344632

I guess Peter Todd knows that too, but just couldn't resist posting a good propaganda piece on Reddit.

Anyway the patch works to limit mempool size, so can be enabled during the current "stress test" if needed. There's also some follow up ideas on Bitcoin XT mailing list like picking two random transactions and evicting the lower fee/kB one. In case you have more insight to the issue I'm sure that constructive criticism is appreciated.

iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

another round of.....

#REKT

Peter R: this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

OUCH! Glad I'm not the one who has to change Heam's oozy/stinky bandages (once he gets out of the burn ward's oxygen tank).

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Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 09:36:29 PM

Quote from: knight22 on September 10, 2015, 07:40:29 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on September 10, 2015, 06:52:36 PM

Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

[img - http://i.imgur.com/AyuQhfn.png [/img

another round of.....

#REKT

Peter R: this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

This smacks of the 'voting' fiasco which was so exploitable that it hit little old me within moments. They are making it to easy...and that makes me uneasy.

If I had Conformal's 'bctd' implementation in my back pocket and wished to switch to it, I might be inclined to make a lot of 'mistakes' in XT then blame the (very real) messiness of the Satoshi-based core.

People should consider what they are going to do if, say, Coinbase and various trinket vendors adopt the 'new' XT. And, concurrently, established financial players (e.g., Paypal) suddenly see a green light and choose the 'appropriate' fork.

I'm not saying that this is going to happen. I am saying that if I had my hands on certain levers and a desire to achieve a certain favorable result for TPTB, this is how I might proceed.

At some point something like that will happen if Core doesn't scale properly.

Core will begin scaling by first getting rid of spam and making more efficient use of the existing space on the block chain.

hellyea ^^

The coinwallet greedy-poor-n00bs-spam-attacks just showed that the blockchain is not suitable to do low value high frequency transaction, no matter how big the block size is

Grin

brg444

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Quote from: knight22 on September 10, 2015, 07:40:29 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on September 10, 2015, 06:52:36 PM

Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

[img - http://i.imgur.com/AyuQhfn.png [/img

another round of.....

#REKT

Peter R: this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

This smacks of the 'voting' fiasco which was so exploitable that it hit little old me within moments. They are making it to easy...and that makes me uneasy.

If I had Conformal's 'bctd' implementation in my back pocket and wished to switch to it, I might be inclined to make a lot of 'mistakes' in XT then blame the (very real) messiness of the Satoshi-based core.

People should consider what they are going to do if, say, Coinbase and various trinket vendors adopt the 'new' XT. And, concurrently, established financial players (e.g., Paypal) suddenly see a green light and choose the 'appropriate' fork.

I'm not saying that this is going to happen. I am saying that if I had my hands on certain levers and a desire to achieve a certain favorable result for TPTB, this is how I might proceed.

At some point something like that will happen if Core doesn't scale properly.

Core will begin scaling by first getting rid of spam and making more efficient use of the existing space on the block chain.

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Quote from: tvbcof on September 10, 2015, 06:52:36 PM

Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

[img - http://i.imgur.com/AyuQhfn.png [/img

another round of.....

#REKT

Peter R: this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

This smacks of the 'voting' fiasco which was so exploitable that it hit little old me within moments. They are making it to easy...and that makes me uneasy.

If I had Conformal's 'bctd' implementation in my back pocket and wished to switch to it, I might be inclined to make a lot of 'mistakes' in XT then blame the (very real) messiness of the Satoshi-based core.

People should consider what they are going to do if, say, Coinbase and various trinket vendors adopt the 'new' XT. And, concurrently, established financial players (e.g., Paypal) suddenly see a green light and choose the 'appropriate' fork.

I'm not saying that this is going to happen. I am saying that if I had my hands on certain levers and a desire to achieve a certain favorable result for TPTB, this is how I might proceed.

At some point something like that will happen if Core doesn't scale properly.

tvbcof

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Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

[img - http://i.imgur.com/AyuQhfn.png [/img

another round of.....

#REKT

Peter R: this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

This smacks of the 'voting' fiasco which was so exploitable that it hit little old me within moments. They are making it to easy...and that makes me uneasy.

If I had Conformal's 'bctd' implementation in my back pocket and wished to switch to it, I might be inclined to make a lot of 'mistakes' in XT then blame the (very real) messiness of the Satoshi-based core.

People should consider what they are going to do if, say, Coinbase and various trinket vendors adopt the 'new' XT. And, concurrently, established financial players (e.g., Paypal) suddenly see a green light and choose the 'appropriate' fork.

I'm not saying that this is going to happen. I am saying that if I had my hands on certain levers and a desire to achieve a certain favorable result for TPTB, this is how I might proceed.

brg444

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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

another round of.....

#REKT

Peter R: this is what you get with a lack of peer review, enjoy your broken "implementations"

Zarathustra

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Quote from: marky89 on September 10, 2015, 02:04:24 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:02:49 PM

No, there is no consensus. On which planet do you live?

Consensus of ideas? Who cares -- we will never achieve that. Consensus of the protocol? We already have consensus -- after all, there is only one blockchain.

There is only one valid law in my municipality. But there is no consensus.
Nuclear communities (Dunbar's Number) only are consensus driven. Societies are always majority driven, since the birth of the tragedy: the birth of the society.

The Bitcoiners are going to totally destroy your society and your "laws"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fonestar-on-the-zeroknowledge-blog-is-a-true-hero-470593

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Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:02:49 PM

No, there is no consensus. On which planet do you live?

Consensus of ideas? Who cares -- we will never achieve that. Consensus of the protocol? We already have consensus -- after all, there is only one blockchain. Now, if one wants to recklessly scale with tunnel vision of what scaling means (unequivocal, limitless or near-limitless block size), achieving protocol consensus is simple: maintain the status quo, ignore the reckless implementation until a reasonable approach makes itself apparent that will be supported by the miners. Everything else is speculative nonsense.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:56:05 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:53:21 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:27:47 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:18:07 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:04:42 PM

hitting a nerve here?

again: NO VOTES IN BITCOIN.
you just have the choice to abide, or leave (just like what gavin did with his XT ph0rk).

good for the brain deadz statists.

Votes and choice everywhere in the Bitcoin environment. There is VOTE and CHOICE of the forum to go, the implementation to run, the mining pool to join etc.
You are the statist. I vote for anarchy.

bitcoin is no democracy, bitcoin is decentralized consensus (ie. vote-proof).

Consensus! So funny.
Who? Gavin and the Popescu? You and me?

no, everybody and nobody at the same time

hdbuck

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Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:53:21 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:27:47 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:18:07 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:04:42 PM

hitting a nerve here?

again: NO VOTES IN BITCOIN.
you just have the choice to abide, or leave (just like what gavin did with his XT ph0rk).

good for the brain deadz statists.

Votes and choice everywhere in the Bitcoin environment. There is VOTE and CHOICE of the forum to go, the implementation to run, the mining pool to join etc.
You are the statist. I vote for anarchy.

bitcoin is no democracy, bitcoin is decentralized consensus (ie. vote-proof).

Consensus! So funny.
Who? Gavin and the Popescu? You and me?

no, everybody and nobody at the same time, hence the vote-proof Wink

dam you man..

edit: moar jelly jellyhustra?! Grin

ah nah im done you on ignore now.

yummy yummy bye bye

Zarathustra

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:27:47 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:18:07 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:04:42 PM

hitting a nerve here?

again: NO VOTES IN BITCOIN.
you just have the choice to abide, or leave (just like what gavin did with his XT ph0rk).

good for the brain deadz statists.

Votes and choice everywhere in the Bitcoin environment. There is VOTE and CHOICE of the forum to go, the implementation to run, the mining pool to join etc.
You are the statist. I vote for anarchy.

bitcoin is no democracy, bitcoin is decentralized consensus (ie. vote-proof).

Consensus! So funny.
Who? Gavin and the Popescu? You and me?

hdbuck

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Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 01:18:07 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:04:42 PM

hitting a nerve here?

again: NO VOTES IN BITCOIN.
you just have the choice to abide, or leave (just like what gavin did with his XT ph0rk).

good for the brain deadz statists.

Votes and choice everywhere in the Bitcoin environment. There is VOTE and CHOICE of the forum to go, the implementation to run, the mining pool to join etc.
You are the statist. I vote for anarchy.

lmao, anarchy, so kul! ^^

But no.

bitcoin is no anarchy, bitcoin is organized mathematics (ie. protocol).

bitcoin is no democracy, bitcoin is decentralized consensus (ie. vote-proof).

bitcoin has far too much entropy now, and has spread well too much, to be highjacked by you statist - pretending to be anarchists, wow ^^ - clueless puppets and your shinny corporate businesses masters.

now have sum moar jelly...

yummy yummy!!

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: uxgpf on September 10, 2015, 11:30:43 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on September 10, 2015, 11:11:48 AM

You guys do realize that the people in control of Bitcoin and its future direction are not participating in this thread, right?

Just wondering.

Who are these people? If you can name them I'd like to ask them about bitcoin's future direction. If they are in control they will surely know it exactly. You know, like a person who is in control of a car surely knows where it's heading.

Here you go. Ask away. Oh, prepare to be ignored unless you ask your questions on the TBF forum.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors

Zarathustra

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 01:04:42 PM

hitting a nerve here?

again: NO VOTES IN BITCOIN.
you just have the choice to abide, or leave (just like what gavin did with his XT ph0rk).

good for the brain deadz statists.

Votes and choice everywhere in the Bitcoin environment. There is VOTE and CHOICE of the forum to go, the implementation to run, the mining pool to join etc.
You are the statist. I vote for anarchy.

hdbuck

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hitting a nerve here?

again: NO VOTES IN BITCOIN.
you just have the choice to abide, or leave (just like what gavin did with his XT ph0rk).

here, have sum jelly..

good for the brain deadz statists.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 01:00:35 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 12:43:44 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 12:37:39 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 12:34:05 PM

Quote from: brg444 on September 10, 2015, 12:21:08 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on September 10, 2015, 12:16:49 PM

Quote from: btcusury on September 10, 2015, 11:38:14 AM

Are you sure you really actually understand what democracy (statism) is? Watch this... if you can handle it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A

Yes, since I live in the most democratic democracy on this planet, I know what democracy is.
The majority rules via institutions. That's similar in the Bitcoin-World.

There is only one human organisation that is better than democracy: anarchy. But anarchy and consensus is only possible in nuclear communities. They are self-sufficient and don't trade with aliens.

So please explain again how are votes distributed in this Bitcoin democracy?

How do you determine "majority"?

In the same way as in a democracy. Votes are distributed between miners, devs, nodes, merchants, users, bitcointalkers etc.
Some have more charisma and influence, some less.

there is no votes. Roll Eyes

what that over simplified brain dead analogy with your beloved democracy.

pathetic statist.

Can't you read, pathetic fascist? There is only one human organisation that is better than democracy: anarchy. But anarchy and consensus is only possible in nuclear communities. They are self-sufficient and don't trade with aliens.

Bitcoin is human organisation. It is consensus driven. Thank you

No, there is no consensus. On which planet do you live?

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