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Topic: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 185. (Read 378996 times)

legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
The decision making processes should be based on where the miners point their hashing power and what code people choose to run. This is the level at which consensus should be achieved. To think that important decisions should be made by a Core development team is tantamount to centralization of power.

There is a very big difference between being a benevolent dictator of your own implementation of Bitcoin and actually being the dictator of Bitcoin. This is a very important distinction. It is not wrong to be in charge of your own implementation of Bitcoin when people are free to choice whatever client they want. Having multiple implementations of Bitcoin is good for decentralization and freedom.

Agreed.  One group of developers should not be considered a permanent authority on what Bitcoin is or should be.  I don't see how anyone could possibly be advocating for such a thing, but sadly it seems increasingly common at the moment.  Disparate factions are emerging here and no one is any closer to agreeing on anything.  If anything, the gap appears to be widening.  We're not working towards a solution, we're working towards a split.  I honestly don't see this ending amicably.  


Points to remember:

  • If you want to use an open source coin, that means anyone can modify that code and submit their own version under another name.
  • Such actions are not an attack on the system and actually prevent the possibility of a single group having permanent control over development.
  • Successfully forking with an alternative client does not give those developers any special power or diktat to enforce future changes on the network.
  • Assuming that Core developers are the only permanent authority on what Bitcoin "is" or "should be" is an extremely dangerous mindset.
  • Consensus is not a group of developers agreeing, because the people securing the network make the decisions, not the developers.


Oxymorons to avoid:

  • "Bitcoin is great because it's decentralised, but only the core devs can be trusted to write code"
  • "Bitcoin is great because it's open source, but releasing a client to propose a fork means you're a dictator"
  • "Bitcoin is great because it's permissionless, but you can't use it to buy a cup of coffee"
  • "Bitcoin is great because only the economic majority can decide the rules of the network, but only when I personally agree with them, otherwise I'll dismiss it as an altcoin like a petulant child"
legendary
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First rule for a failed dictator: Never admit defeat. Grin

If you ask me it's wonderful news, because during the time of their vacation we might see less FUD-drama regarding the extreme danger of not raising the blocksize immediately and enforcing a "benevolent dictatorship" in the development decision process... maybe they will reconsider and take a few years off - that would be even better.

ya.ya.yo!
The decision making processes should be based on where the miners point their hashing power and what code people choose to run. This is the level at which consensus should be achieved. To think that important decisions should be made by a Core development team is tantamount to centralization of power.

There is a very big difference between being a benevolent dictator of your own implementation of Bitcoin and actually being the dictator of Bitcoin. This is a very important distinction. It is not wrong to be in charge of your own implementation of Bitcoin when people are free to choice whatever client they want. Having multiple implementations of Bitcoin is good for decentralization and freedom.

lol seriously? such a sneaky way of choosing your words to imply something which is subjective and false.

Hello: "your own implementation of bitcoin" = "your own altcoin"

plz cut the crap.
hero member
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First rule for a failed dictator: Never admit defeat. Grin

If you ask me it's wonderful news, because during the time of their vacation we might see less FUD-drama regarding the extreme danger of not raising the blocksize immediately and enforcing a "benevolent dictatorship" in the development decision process... maybe they will reconsider and take a few years off - that would be even better.

ya.ya.yo!
The decision making processes should be based on where the miners point their hashing power and what code people choose to run. This is the level at which consensus should be achieved. To think that important decisions should be made by a Core development team is tantamount to centralization of power.

There is a very big difference between being a benevolent dictator of your own implementation of Bitcoin and actually being the dictator of Bitcoin. This is a very important distinction. It is not wrong to be in charge of your own implementation of Bitcoin when people are free to choice whatever client they want. Having multiple implementations of Bitcoin is good for decentralization and freedom.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.



 Cheesy

inb4 Malaysian Airlines flight carrying Mike and Gavin goes missing.

XT's Bus Factor = 2

It's not like Peter R, Frap.doc, Zarass, and solex are going to take over XT's github if Mike and Gavin went missing or quit.
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 Cheesy

inb4 Malaysian Airlines flight carrying Mike and Gavin goes missing.
legendary
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 Cheesy

First rule for a failed dictator: Never admit defeat. Grin

If you ask me it's wonderful news, because during the time of their vacation we might see less FUD-drama regarding the extreme danger of not raising the blocksize immediately and enforcing a "benevolent dictatorship" in the development decision process... maybe they will reconsider and take a few years off - that would be even better.

ya.ya.yo!
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
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willmathforcrypto.com
A fee market already exists and will exist with or without a block size limit:

hey peter do you even exist?

WHO ARE YOU?

If you're still wondering about this, my talk at the conference is in about a half hour. You can watch it on the livestream. Hope you enjoy it!

Edit: Oops. I was rushing to post this during the break and logged into the wrong account!

lol don't let the door hit you on your way out, Peter

Again, for anyone coming into this thread late, I'm not actually Peter. I posted that as a joke since hdbuck accused me of being one of Peter's alts in this thread last week. Now it's starting to seem more confusing than funny, sorry about that.
legendary
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A fee market already exists and will exist with or without a block size limit:

hey peter do you even exist?

WHO ARE YOU?

If you're still wondering about this, my talk at the conference is in about a half hour. You can watch it on the livestream. Hope you enjoy it!

Edit: Oops. I was rushing to post this during the break and logged into the wrong account!

lol don't let the door hit you on your way out, Peter
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
and 5% in nodes... only 345
That might change if Core takes to long to increase the blocksize. We should be thankful that XT has given us an alternative. The freedom of choice should be embraced.

According to the Gavinista Manifesto (*snicker*), Core has ALREADY taken too long to increase the blocksize (and blacklist TOR, etc).

But their putsch failed, so now you're lowering the bar for XT all the way down to the ground.  First XT was a revolution against Blockstream and Thermos, but now it's just a handy motivational poster?  Give me a break...you are spinning like a pulsar!  Cheesy

Hundreds of other altcoins existed before XT.  And some of them (eg Monero) have adaptive block sizes.  Where have you been?

If XT is the first alternative to Bitcoin you've ever encountered, you really should get out more.   Wink

When will the MPfags just give up and accept that bigger blocks are coming? Not if, it's when... Grin

Its over for you due to fail and AIDS.

When will they stop dishonestly claiming XT is an altcoin?
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
and 5% in nodes... only 345
That might change if Core takes to long to increase the blocksize. We should be thankful that XT has given us an alternative. The freedom of choice should be embraced.

According to the Gavinista Manifesto (*snicker*), Core has ALREADY taken too long to increase the blocksize (and blacklist TOR, etc).

But their putsch failed, so now you're lowering the bar for XT all the way down to the ground.  First XT was a revolution against Blockstream and Thermos, but now it's just a handy motivational poster?  Give me a break...you are spinning like a pulsar!  Cheesy

Hundreds of other altcoins existed before XT.  And some of them (eg Monero) have adaptive block sizes.  Where have you been?

If XT is the first alternative to Bitcoin you've ever encountered, you really should get out more.   Wink

When will the MPfags just give up and accept that bigger blocks are coming? Not if, it's when... Grin

Its over for you due to fail and AIDS.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
and 5% in nodes... only 345
That might change if Core takes to long to increase the blocksize. We should be thankful that XT has given us an alternative. The freedom of choice should be embraced.

According to the Gavinista Manifesto (*snicker*), Core has ALREADY taken too long to increase the blocksize (and blacklist TOR, etc).

But their putsch failed, so now you're lowering the bar for XT all the way down to the ground.  First XT was a revolution against Blockstream and Thermos, but now it's just a handy motivational poster?  Give me a break...you are spinning like a pulsar!  Cheesy

Hundreds of other altcoins existed before XT.  And some of them (eg Monero) have adaptive block sizes.  Where have you been?

If XT is the first alternative to Bitcoin you've ever encountered, you really should get out more.   Wink
hero member
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and 5% in nodes... only 345
That might change if Core takes to long to increase the blocksize. We should be thankful that XT has given us an alternative. The freedom of choice should be embraced.
legendary
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Ιntergalactic Conciliator
and 5% in nodes... only 345
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.





The area under the line represents lulz proportional to the degree of Peter R's failure to convince anyone important that XT/101 was a good idea.


legendary
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Haha I'm not Trent.  Trent, are you claiming that you are me?

Haha! All is going according to plan!

why the sudden interest in defending the anon peter? dont you think he is old enough to simply answer? or are you one of peter's proxy account too?
junior member, suddenly caring enough to post in here, talking bets n stuff. Roll Eyes

As for whether or not I'm a "proxy account" for Peter R, I thought of a way to convince you I'm not. I start by telling you I am. Then I can log in as Peter R and publicly deny that I am his proxy. Then your opposition to Peter R will lead you to believe he's lying and that I must, in fact, be Peter R's alt. Then you'll decide that's just what I/he/we want you to think, and so it must not be true. Therefore, I am not a proxy account for Peter R.

People, what's the point. We likely can't have any proof of wheter Trent is Peter or not. So it's just fun and games. Cheesy

Yes, RoadTrain is correct. I'm obviously not Peter R. And me saying this is no more proof that I'm not Peter R as when I implied I was. It was just a bit of fun following up on the odd exchange I had with hdbuck earlier this week on this thread.

@Peter_R: I enjoyed my your talk. I'm not an XT supporter, but I thought the main content of your talk was very clear. I'm curious if you're catching much grief over the last part about Theymos and Blockstream. I expect it got a lot of people's attention.
legendary
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People, what's the point. We likely can't have any proof of wheter Trent is Peter or not. So it's just fun and games. Cheesy
legendary
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Haha I'm not Trent.  Trent, are you claiming that you are me?
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
bizarre... not sure why Peter would admit he logged into the wrong account
instead of just editing his post to say "Peter's talk".
I guess he doesn't really care if you know he has an alt.

Doesn't really help his credibility, but I still support his ideas on this topic.


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