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Topic: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 186. (Read 378996 times)

legendary
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A fee market already exists and will exist with or without a block size limit:

hey peter do you even exist?

WHO ARE YOU?

If you're still wondering about this, my talk at the conference is in about a half hour. You can watch it on the livestream. Hope you enjoy it!

Edit: Oops. I was rushing to post this during the break and logged into the wrong account!

wtf!?

Regardless of anyone's definition of validity, one chain will be longer than the rest (it will contain more cumulative work).  I am betting that this (longest) chain will contain a block greater than 1 MB in size by this time next year.  

There is no ambiguity in that definition.  

While I'm not on Peter R's side in the XT debate, he's correct about this. The terms of this potential "bet" are clear. In any case, even if there were some ambiguity, that's one reason there's a neutral third party in a 2-of-3 multisig.

Now for something completely different. Consider this modified version of "the bet": Peter R and anti-Peter R each put 1 BTC into a 2-of-3 multisig with a neutral third party. One year from now, the 2 BTC are paid out to Peter R on every chain that has had a block over 1MB. The 2 BTC are paid out to anti-Peter R on every chain that has not had a block over 1MB. This would actually give people a way to trade potential coins on potential multiple forks before the potential forks actually occur. It's a little surprising there aren't services offering something like this, given how adamant many people on different sides seem to be.

It appears that you just became witness of a double identity.

Let me sum up: Trent Russell = Peter R, but keep in mind that Trent Russell is not on Peter R's side in the XT debate.

Comedy gold.  Grin

ya.ya.yo!
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Peter R managed to fit XT shilling & blockstream trolling in his presentation. Amateurish at best

where can we watch the replay
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
Peter R managed to fit XT shilling & blockstream trolling in his presentation. Amateurish at best
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
A fee market already exists and will exist with or without a block size limit:

hey peter do you even exist?

WHO ARE YOU?

If you're still wondering about this, my talk at the conference is in about a half hour. You can watch it on the livestream. Hope you enjoy it!

Edit: Oops. I was rushing to post this during the break and logged into the wrong account!

wtf!?

Regardless of anyone's definition of validity, one chain will be longer than the rest (it will contain more cumulative work).  I am betting that this (longest) chain will contain a block greater than 1 MB in size by this time next year.  

There is no ambiguity in that definition.  

While I'm not on Peter R's side in the XT debate, he's correct about this. The terms of this potential "bet" are clear. In any case, even if there were some ambiguity, that's one reason there's a neutral third party in a 2-of-3 multisig.

Now for something completely different. Consider this modified version of "the bet": Peter R and anti-Peter R each put 1 BTC into a 2-of-3 multisig with a neutral third party. One year from now, the 2 BTC are paid out to Peter R on every chain that has had a block over 1MB. The 2 BTC are paid out to anti-Peter R on every chain that has not had a block over 1MB. This would actually give people a way to trade potential coins on potential multiple forks before the potential forks actually occur. It's a little surprising there aren't services offering something like this, given how adamant many people on different sides seem to be.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
A fee market already exists and will exist with or without a block size limit:

hey peter do you even exist?

WHO ARE YOU?

If you're still wondering about this, my talk at the conference is in about a half hour. You can watch it on the livestream. Hope you enjoy it!

Edit: Oops. I was rushing to post this during the break and logged into the wrong account!

Brilliant!
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willmathforcrypto.com
A fee market already exists and will exist with or without a block size limit:

hey peter do you even exist?

WHO ARE YOU?

If you're still wondering about this, my talk at the conference is in about a half hour. You can watch it on the livestream. Hope you enjoy it!

Edit: Oops. I was rushing to post this during the break and logged into the wrong account!
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
nice to see XT nodes drop to

6.99% 6.89% (30 minute later lol)
Honestly, you should not be even looking at the node count at all. It does not matter if they have 10, 20 or 500% of the nodes. This does not change anything, and without the support of the miners XT can not happen.

7. /Bitcoin XT:0.11.0B/ (145)   2.5%

So, 6.89 + 2.5 = 9.39%

Still not 10.5%
It will probably keep on declining unless someone starts deceiving the count again. As was demonstrated, the node count can be easily manipulated and thus should be completely disregarded.

Stealth mode in XT has made node count irrelevant.
member
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so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.



No, they don't.

The code is available so anyone can modify as they like. XT is a great example of how anyone can just fork, release a new code and (if the majority of miners like it) be the code that rules the network.

Only because some one wrote the code that the majority uses now, doesn't give any absolute power over what might happen next. Of course their saying has some influence, but the choice is still for the miners (individually) to make.
legendary
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Terminated.
nice to see XT nodes drop to

6.99% 6.89% (30 minute later lol)
Honestly, you should not be even looking at the node count at all. It does not matter if they have 10, 20 or 500% of the nodes. This does not change anything, and without the support of the miners XT can not happen.

7. /Bitcoin XT:0.11.0B/ (145)   2.5%

So, 6.89 + 2.5 = 9.39%

Still not 10.5%
It will probably keep on declining unless someone starts deceiving the count again. As was demonstrated, the node count can be easily manipulated and thus should be completely disregarded.
sr. member
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nice to see XT nodes drop to

6.99% 6.89% (30 minute later lol)

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

Confused on how http://xtnodes.com/ is tracking nodes and updating the site.  Its tracking of 1 out of the last 1000 nodes supporting BIP 101 (and 99.9% not) looks correct.  But, how do they still claim that 10.5% of nodes are using XT?  

The nice thing about bitnodes.io is that it isn't configured to look for any specific user string, but rather lists a count of all user strings.  Unlike xtnodes.com, it is updated frequently.  
  


That's because people are upgrading to 0.11.B smart ass  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Good point. 

7. /Bitcoin XT:0.11.0B/ (145)   2.5%

So, 6.89 + 2.5 = 9.39%

Still not 10.5%


legendary
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nice to see XT nodes drop to

6.99% 6.89% (30 minute later lol)

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

Confused on how http://xtnodes.com/ is tracking nodes and updating the site.  Its tracking of 1 out of the last 1000 nodes supporting BIP 101 (and 99.9% not) looks correct.  But, how do they still claim that 10.5% of nodes are using XT?  

The nice thing about bitnodes.io is that it isn't configured to look for any specific user string, but rather lists a count of all user strings.  Unlike xtnodes.com, it is updated frequently.  
  


That's because people are upgrading to 0.11.B smart ass  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
sr. member
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Earn with impressio.io
nice to see XT nodes drop to

6.99% 6.89% (30 minute later lol)

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

Confused on how http://xtnodes.com/ is tracking nodes and updating the site.  Its tracking of 1 out of the last 1000 nodes supporting BIP 101 (and 99.9% not) looks correct.  But, how do they still claim that 10.5% of nodes are using XT? 

The nice thing about bitnodes.io is that it isn't configured to look for any specific user string, but rather lists a count of all user strings.  Unlike xtnodes.com, it is updated frequently. 
 
hero member
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I thought you were dead  Shocked

I was happy  Grin

Getting a little more difficult to troll after theymos made sure your sock puppets couldn't share with us your library of gay men enjoying themselves heh  Cheesy


Tough shit, Troll.  Grin
hero member
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Regarding Peter's reply above - he does realise that the tx eviction is only on a particular node - that same transaction will likely remain on all other nodes. So why should it be rebroadcast? Additionally, this is only going to be a factor when the mempool is full - by then the majority of tx's sitting there ( as they didnt pay a fee or not enough) are going to be spam, so the likelihood is that it will be a spam tx that will get evicted.  Legitimate tx's will get processed quickly and are unlikely to ever be in the 'relegation zone'.

On the other hand, Peter's deterministic route means that if your transaction is unlucky enough to be the one to be dropped, then it it is dead on all nodes. Game over for you, unless you spot it ( ha!) and re-submit it. Thats a really lousy solution.



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More seriously..

Bitcoin's value proposition  [..... more trilema/MP gypsy crap...]

You need to have the IQ of an amoeba to put any value in that shit.





I thought you were dead  Shocked


I was happy  Grin

Getting a little more difficult to troll after theymos made sure your sock puppets couldn't share with us your library of gay men enjoying themselves heh  Cheesy
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
More seriously..

Bitcoin's value proposition  [..... more trilema/MP gypsy crap...]

You need to have the IQ of an amoeba to put any value in that shit.



legendary
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i lol'd really hard.

On this thread we spell that "l'dol"
legendary
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More seriously..


Bitcoin's value proposition lies in its fixed inflation. No number of dollars meeting the market can increase the supply schedule. Trilema clearly explains:

There's pretty much literally nothing those extra dollars nobody wants can do to increase the Bitcoin supply. It's very, very inelastic, and consequently the only stability point is when equilibrium is reached. Two billion dollars divided by 600`000 Bitcoins comes to three thousand dollars and change per Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is faced with hitting another inelastic limit in its maximum transaction volume. Consumers have come to expect to get what they demand – "the customer is always right". As such consumers have begun to revolt due to them not getting their demand of Bitcoin competing with Visa or as Trilema predicted in 2013:

one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person". Hedge funds and banks (the ones a little ahead of using Excel) that trade in this murky complexity make a killing and become the principal driver of economic growth worldwide. Not only is the consumer about as screwed as is currently the case, but to everyone's benefit he has just been clearly proven yet again that revolt = being fucked in the ass harder, longer, with a thicker implement with sharper barbs on it. Also conveniently, the thing to revolt at has become much more vague and intangible. On the balance of probabilities this would seem the most likely outcome, strictly because history unerringly flows in that direction which most cruelly rapes the "average person".

Many consumers have exclaimed they will leave Bitcoin to go to an altcoin which suits their "needs" if they don't get their way in Bitcoin being perverted into a system to compete with Visa. What they don't realize is the consequences they will face if they choose this option.




full article: http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/
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i lol'd really hard.
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