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Topic: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 190. (Read 378996 times)

legendary
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so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.  This is presently Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization.  
 


Right.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable that Gavin would would ask for "only" 75% consensus to offset the status quo bias.  
At least in my opinion.

This is more conflation of decentralization of "development" vs. that of the protocol. Consensus refers to the protocol -- not the node client. That the development process is centralized is absolutely no excuse to compromise the basic, basic principle of consensus. 75% to hard fork is 75%, no matter how you rationalize it.

If Core doesn't scale expect a divorce at some point. Even if it means forking at 50%. I will personally be fine with it.

Enjoy your 0.50$ bitcoin then.

I wonder which coin will worth 0.50$. The one that scales and is useful or the one that doesn't and is useless?

Please advice.

If Bitcoin is forked by 50% the trust in cryptocurrency in general will be destroyed.

You really are clueless about what a hardfork entails heh?


It will be great if those notorious warriors who notoriously call others noobs, n00bs, redditards, idiots and alike, will be finally forked out of the game. The soonisher the better.
A consensus with such characters is not possible.
legendary
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Well, whoever wanted to split the community the way Gavin and Mike did, DESERVES TO FAIL.

You talk to people if you want changes, you do not introduce parallel BTC.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Not all nodes are miners.  Do you even know how Bitcoin works?

YOU brought up spoofed nodes.  They can't be spoofs if they mined a block, genius.

Slush brought up spoofed nodes.  Slush's FakeXT node spoofs BIP101 support when it mines blocks.

XT is dead, and it's never coming back.  Does that make you sad and angry?  Good.   Cheesy

Says the guy who shit his pants because of XT  Grin

When did that happen?  Please cite relevant posts.

Wait.  Nevermind.  I now recall the (ROFLSMP) circumstances:




No wonder Heam and his proxy Galvin are too ashamed to show up (tail tucked between legs) at the Scaling confabs.
legendary
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Not all nodes are miners.  Do you even know how Bitcoin works?

YOU brought up spoofed nodes.  They can't be spoofs if they mined a block, genius.

Slush brought up spoofed nodes.  Slush's FakeXT node spoofs BIP101 support when it mines blocks.

XT is dead, and it's never coming back.  Does that make you sad and angry?  Good.   Cheesy

Says the guy who shit his pants because of XT  Grin
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Not all nodes are miners.  Do you even know how Bitcoin works?

YOU brought up spoofed nodes.  They can't be spoofs if they mined a block, genius.

Slush brought up spoofed nodes.  Slush's FakeXT node spoofs BIP101 support when it mines blocks.

XT is dead, and it's never coming back.  Does that make you sad and angry?  Good.   Cheesy

You brought it up in this thread in a goofish attempt to
pronounce my opinion "wrong" about Gavin's 75% consensus.
 
Guess you lost the plot again.  

But that's what trolls like you do.  

They bring up a point, and when the point is invalidated,
they move to the next point.

If that point is also invalidated, they go onto something else,
never bothering to revisit the original point. 

Let's review:  I said it was my OPINION that Gavin's 75%
consensus was reasonable (given the entrenched consensus
due to the core repository).

You claimed my opinion was "wrong" and started talking about
spoofed nodes.

I pointed out that blocks, not nodes determine the consensus.

You foolishly tried to conflate blocks with nodes.

I debunked that and you started talking about Slush.

Say whatever you want, you've already lost this round.




 

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Not all nodes are miners.  Do you even know how Bitcoin works?

YOU brought up spoofed nodes.  They can't be spoofs if they mined a block, genius.

Slush brought up spoofed nodes.  Slush's FakeXT node spoofs BIP101 support when it mines blocks.

XT is dead, and it's never coming back.  Does that make you sad and angry?  Good.   Cheesy
legendary
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And how sidechains solve the scaling exactly? It just moves the bloat elsewhere where people will have to run full bloat sidechain nodes. It's a pathetic solution that complicates everything for almost no gain.

Sidechains are part of an orthogonal scaling solution.  The "pathetic solution" is bloating Layer 1 until it loses it's unique properties, and then breaks.  XT is the canonical implementation of such a pathetic solution.  That's why it's fukkin' #R3KT, with no chance of ever winning.   Grin

legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Your opinion is completely wrong.  Organofcorti exhaustively demonstrated why (given the presence of spoofed nodes) 75% is the most unreasonable, optimally bad number possible.

And why are you still pretending XT/101 has any chance of happening?  101 is the 'red uniform' BIP.  It's dead, Jim.   Grin

[pop culture reference.gif]

Its not nodes.  Its mined blocks.  derp.

"Mined blocks" require a node (Core, XT, or NotXT).  Do you even how Bitcoin works?



Not all nodes are miners.  Do you even know how Bitcoin works?

YOU brought up spoofed nodes.  They can't be spoofs if they mined a block, genius.

legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
And how sidechains solve the scaling exactly? It just moves the bloat elsewhere where people will have to run full bloat sidechain nodes. It's a pathetic solution that complicates everything for almost no gain.

Sidechains are part of an orthogonal scaling solution.  The "pathetic solution" is bloating Layer 1 until it loses it's unique properties, and then breaks.  XT is the canonical implementation of such a pathetic solution.  That's why it's fukkin' #R3KT, with no chance of ever winning.   Grin
legendary
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Your opinion is completely wrong.  Organofcorti exhaustively demonstrated why (given the presence of spoofed nodes) 75% is the most unreasonable, optimally bad number possible.

And why are you still pretending XT/101 has any chance of happening?  101 is the 'red uniform' BIP.  It's dead, Jim.   Grin

[pop culture reference.gif]

Its not nodes.  Its mined blocks.  derp.

"Mined blocks" require a node (Core, XT, or NotXT).  Do you even how Bitcoin works?



There are plenty of XT nodes ready to be mined when needed. Don't worry.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Your opinion is completely wrong.  Organofcorti exhaustively demonstrated why (given the presence of spoofed nodes) 75% is the most unreasonable, optimally bad number possible.

And why are you still pretending XT/101 has any chance of happening?  101 is the 'red uniform' BIP.  It's dead, Jim.   Grin

[pop culture reference.gif]

Its not nodes.  Its mined blocks.  derp.

"Mined blocks" require a node (Core, XT, or NotXT).  Do you even how Bitcoin works?

legendary
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Sorry if I see the potential of whole new business models and area of commerce bitcoin could bring while you don't. Bitcoin that doesn't scale doesn't fit that vision and that vision will happen without bitcoin that doesn't scale.

Your vision for Bitcoin is, quite honestly, pathetic.

Step outside for a minute and realise there are things more important to disrupt then "commerce". I guess that's the consumer in you speaking...Don't worry, we'll have a sidechain for you to buy your lattes.

And how sidechains solve the scaling exactly? It just moves the bloat elsewhere where people will have to run full bloat sidechain nodes. It's a pathetic solution that complicates everything for almost no gain.

legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Your opinion is completely wrong.  Organofcorti exhaustively demonstrated why (given the presence of spoofed nodes) 75% is the most unreasonable, optimally bad number possible.

And why are you still pretending XT/101 has any chance of happening?  101 is the 'red uniform' BIP.  It's dead, Jim.   Grin



Its not nodes.  Its mined blocks.  derp.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.  This is presently Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization.  
 


Right.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable that Gavin would would ask for "only" 75% consensus to offset the status quo bias.  
At least in my opinion.

This is more conflation of decentralization of "development" vs. that of the protocol. Consensus refers to the protocol -- not the node client. That the development process is centralized is absolutely no excuse to compromise the basic, basic principle of consensus. 75% to hard fork is 75%, no matter how you rationalize it.

If Core doesn't scale expect a divorce at some point. Even if it means forking at 50%. I will personally be fine with it.

Enjoy your 0.50$ bitcoin then.

I wonder which coin will worth 0.50$. The one that scales and is useful or the one that doesn't and is useless?

Please advice.

If Bitcoin is forked by 50% the trust in cryptocurrency in general will be destroyed.

You really are clueless about what a hardfork entails heh?

Meh. The bitcoin that scales will make its way to the mainstream while nobody (expect bitcointalk.org) will ever know about this silly episode on bitcoin history.

 Roll Eyes

you redditards and your mainstream. you'd sell your soul to the devil if that could fulfill your wet dreams of moon

Sorry if I see the potential of whole new business models and area of commerce bitcoin could bring while you don't. Bitcoin that doesn't scale doesn't fit that vision and that vision will happen without bitcoin that doesn't scale.

Your vision for Bitcoin is, quite honestly, pathetic.

Step outside for a minute and realise there are things more important to disrupt then "commerce". I guess that's the consumer in you speaking...Don't worry, we'll have a sidechain for you to buy your lattes.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.  This is presently Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization.  
 


Right.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable that Gavin would would ask for "only" 75% consensus to offset the status quo bias.  
At least in my opinion.

This is more conflation of decentralization of "development" vs. that of the protocol. Consensus refers to the protocol -- not the node client. That the development process is centralized is absolutely no excuse to compromise the basic, basic principle of consensus. 75% to hard fork is 75%, no matter how you rationalize it.

If Core doesn't scale expect a divorce at some point. Even if it means forking at 50%. I will personally be fine with it.

Enjoy your 0.50$ bitcoin then.

I wonder which coin will worth 0.50$. The one that scales and is useful or the one that doesn't and is useless?

Please advice.

If Bitcoin is forked by 50% the trust in cryptocurrency in general will be destroyed.

You really are clueless about what a hardfork entails heh?

Meh. The bitcoin that scales will make its way to the mainstream while nobody (expect bitcointalk.org) will ever know about this silly episode on bitcoin history.

 Roll Eyes

you redditards and your mainstream. you'd sell your soul to the devil if that could fulfill your wet dreams of moon

Sorry if I see the potential of whole new business models and area of commerce bitcoin could bring while you don't. Bitcoin that doesn't scale doesn't fit that vision and that vision will happen without bitcoin that doesn't scale.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.  This is presently Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization.  
 


Right.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable that Gavin would would ask for "only" 75% consensus to offset the status quo bias.  
At least in my opinion.

This is more conflation of decentralization of "development" vs. that of the protocol. Consensus refers to the protocol -- not the node client. That the development process is centralized is absolutely no excuse to compromise the basic, basic principle of consensus. 75% to hard fork is 75%, no matter how you rationalize it.

If Core doesn't scale expect a divorce at some point. Even if it means forking at 50%. I will personally be fine with it.

Enjoy your 0.50$ bitcoin then.

I wonder which coin will worth 0.50$. The one that scales and is useful or the one that doesn't and is useless?

Please advice.

If Bitcoin is forked by 50% the trust in cryptocurrency in general will be destroyed.

You really are clueless about what a hardfork entails heh?

Meh. The bitcoin that scales will make its way to the mainstream while nobody (expect bitcointalk.org) will ever know about this silly episode on bitcoin history.

 Roll Eyes

you redditards and your mainstream. you'd sell your soul to the devil if that could fulfill your wet dreams of moon
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.  This is presently Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization.  
 


Right.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable that Gavin would would ask for "only" 75% consensus to offset the status quo bias.  
At least in my opinion.

This is more conflation of decentralization of "development" vs. that of the protocol. Consensus refers to the protocol -- not the node client. That the development process is centralized is absolutely no excuse to compromise the basic, basic principle of consensus. 75% to hard fork is 75%, no matter how you rationalize it.

If Core doesn't scale expect a divorce at some point. Even if it means forking at 50%. I will personally be fine with it.

Enjoy your 0.50$ bitcoin then.

I wonder which coin will worth 0.50$. The one that scales and is useful or the one that doesn't and is useless?

Please advice.

the one that is truly decentralized?  Or the one that relies on lightning network 'trusted super nodes' ?

Good enough decentralization will be good enough. With or without lightning network that doesn't yet exist.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
so core devs control all the nodes and miners now  Roll Eyes

Core devs control the code that ~85% of the network nodes elect to run.  This is presently Bitcoin's greatest point of centralization.  
 


Right.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable that Gavin would would ask for "only" 75% consensus to offset the status quo bias. 
At least in my opinion.

Your opinion is completely wrong.  Organofcorti exhaustively demonstrated why (given the presence of spoofed nodes) 75% is the most unreasonable, optimally bad number possible.

And why are you still pretending XT/101 has any chance of happening?  101 is the 'red uniform' BIP.  It's dead, Jim.   Grin
legendary
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A hard fork would be bad for bitcoin, I would agree to that.
I don't think it will come to that.
I agree with you here, if we see a hard fork, or really any drastic change, I think that the market will almost certainly reflect that negatively.

That would be a bump in the road in the grand scheme of things.
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A hard fork would be bad for bitcoin, I would agree to that.
I don't think it will come to that.
I agree with you here, if we see a hard fork, or really any drastic change, I think that the market will almost certainly reflect that negatively.
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