Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 61.

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Quote from: Amph on November 27, 2015, 02:39:04 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

So much drama for a single variable increase to allow more people to use bitcoin.

this isn't the case with xt, they are adding other crap like ip identification, and unless they changed that shit, it's very relevant to the dismissing of the xt

I don't think they can afford that because the people that are funding their dev team and the nodes would stop if they didn't do what they are being told to do (all those anti privacy and anti decentralization features to please banks)

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Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

So much drama for a single variable increase to allow more people to use bitcoin.

this isn't the case with xt, they are adding other crap like ip identification, and unless they changed that shit, it's very relevant to the dismissing of the xt

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Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on November 27, 2015, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

So much drama for a single variable increase to allow more people to use bitcoin.

short sighted. inefficient. irrelevant.

corpcoin has no value.

About being short sighted, are you talking about Core devs procrastination two years ago who didn't care about the blocksize limit which led to all this drama that is happening today? THAT was pretty short sighted IMO. No?

Hmm just checked, my coinz are still here.

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Quote from: hdbuck on November 27, 2015, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

So much drama for a single variable increase to allow more people to use bitcoin.

short sighted. inefficient. irrelevant.

corpcoin has no value.

About being short sighted, are you talking about Core devs procrastination two years ago who didn't care about the blocksize limit which led to all this drama that is happening today? THAT was pretty short sighted IMO. No?

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Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 01:35:23 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

So much drama for a single variable increase to allow more people to use bitcoin.

short sighted and irrelevant.

corpcoin has no value.

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Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

So much drama for a single variable increase to allow more people to use bitcoin.

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Quote from: knight22 on November 27, 2015, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

Yeah, I love it. Basically all the cancers and leeches of Bitcoin joining together and hopefully pissing off to a "fork". VC money and the payment channel leeches have been trying very hard to end cypherpunk Bitcoin for about 2 years in full force.

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Quote from: muyuu on November 27, 2015, 07:57:37 AM

I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

He his certainly not alone:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

and

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

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I'm certainly bullish that Gavin is increasingly ostracised from Core, and could be even more by leading himself alone in XT.

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Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 05:07:40 PM

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 26, 2015, 04:54:39 PM

I noticed the price had an upside bias since Mike's ragequit moment, coincidence?

Gavin, give it up, XT has more baggage than a trophy wife going on holiday.

LoLCows over at bitco.in claiming Gavin's consideration of XT "leadership" is actually responsible for the rise Cheesy

Which is obvious. The market is realizing that Gavin's actions will lead to an increased cap soonish and the stalemate tactics will come to an end. Whether it is via BIP101 by this or that implementation or another enforced compromise is not that important. Adam's/Wuille's BIP 103 joke with no increase until half a year after the halvening will not be accepted by the market.
Gavin still enjoys an overwhelming support, even on theymos' 'moderated' subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u9mnq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

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Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 05:07:40 PM

LoLCows over at bitco.in

Moooo!

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Quote from: hdbuck on November 26, 2015, 05:05:38 PM

Quote from: jtoomim on November 26, 2015, 04:52:42 PM

Quote from: gmaxwell on November 25, 2015, 07:56:38 PM

Actually, no, they've been having huge problems with it; with nodes crashing all over the place and such. Of course: Bitcoin Core nodes on testnet are unaffected: They're just ignoring the XT chain entirely, banning those peers, and continuing on as if they didn't exist.

We did have some trouble with a couple of features that I was testing out in parallel -- namely, Mike Hearn's alpha thin blocks patch (which works 99% of the time, unfortunately) and the BIP65 + low-S patch for BitcoinXT (which has some problems when heavily reorging and removing a block that contains either a high-S transaction or an invalid OP_CLTV instruction). However, these are unrelated to BIP101 and large blocks. So far, as far as I know, we have not had any crashes or problems due to large blocks themselves.

it is not about crashes..

Crashes are rarely a show-stopper. Most of the time such things are figured out fairly quickly and some stability is achieved (but not always.)

I believe that I did predict a quarter or two ago that the XT-ish ilk will need to find an excuse to switch over to Conformal's 'btcd' protocol implementation. A no-brainer for this would be 'inherent instability' in the Satoshi-based C++ implementation.

It was around three months ago IIRC that Gavin made a quip about learning go-lang. I remember that when he did I already had my prediction made about the bloatchain fork, btcd, (and etc) so his comment simply added some more confidence to my prediction about how the takeover attempt would be going down.

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 26, 2015, 04:54:39 PM

I noticed the price had an upside bias since Mike's ragequit moment, coincidence?

Gavin, give it up, XT has more baggage than a trophy wife going on holiday.

LoLCows over at bitco.in claiming Gavin's consideration of XT "leadership" is actually responsible for the rise Cheesy

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Quote from: jtoomim on November 26, 2015, 04:52:42 PM

Quote from: gmaxwell on November 25, 2015, 07:56:38 PM

Actually, no, they've been having huge problems with it; with nodes crashing all over the place and such. Of course: Bitcoin Core nodes on testnet are unaffected: They're just ignoring the XT chain entirely, banning those peers, and continuing on as if they didn't exist.

We did have some trouble with a couple of features that I was testing out in parallel -- namely, Mike Hearn's alpha thin blocks patch (which works 99% of the time, unfortunately) and the BIP65 + low-S patch for BitcoinXT (which has some problems when heavily reorging and removing a block that contains either a high-S transaction or an invalid OP_CLTV instruction). However, these are unrelated to BIP101 and large blocks. So far, as far as I know, we have not had any crashes or problems due to large blocks themselves.

it is not about crashes..

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I noticed the price had an upside bias since Mike's ragequit moment, coincidence?

Gavin, give it up, XT has more baggage than a trophy wife going on holiday.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on November 25, 2015, 07:56:38 PM

Actually, no, they've been having huge problems with it; with nodes crashing all over the place and such. Of course: Bitcoin Core nodes on testnet are unaffected: They're just ignoring the XT chain entirely, banning those peers, and continuing on as if they didn't exist.

We did have some trouble with a couple of features that I was testing out in parallel -- namely, Mike Hearn's alpha thin blocks patch (which works 99% of the time, unfortunately) and the BIP65 + low-S patch for BitcoinXT (which has some problems when heavily reorging and removing a block that contains either a high-S transaction or an invalid OP_CLTV instruction). However, these are unrelated to BIP101 and large blocks. So far, as far as I know, we have not had any crashes or problems due to large blocks themselves.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on November 25, 2015, 07:56:38 PM

Quote from: brg444 on November 23, 2015, 06:19:48 PM

That's supposed to tell us what exactly? That under the most optimal technical environment "the network" can substain large blocks?
I'm shocked Shocked

Actually, no, they've been having huge problems with it; with nodes crashing all over the place and such. Of course: Bitcoin Core nodes on testnet are unaffected: They're just ignoring the XT chain entirely, banning those peers, and continuing on as if they didn't exist.

I'm a bit surprised to read this.
I'm not fond of Bitcoin XT & BIP101 but having being vocal about the lack of tests, I've decided to setup a XT node on a VPS for this test.
This node is pretty weak (1 vCore, 2Go RAM, windows as OS) but so far everything has been fine with no crash.
Anyway, it doesn't change my mind that BIP101 without prior works on the P2P protocol isn't a good idea.

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 26, 2015, 03:44:29 PM

Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 02:53:36 PM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 26, 2015, 02:46:25 PM

Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 02:06:48 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 26, 2015, 01:55:31 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on November 26, 2015, 01:17:54 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 26, 2015, 12:47:01 PM

Quote from: valiz on November 26, 2015, 12:04:03 PM

You are actually supporting XT and huge blocks. You are among the last standing supporters. Even knight appears to run out of time for this.

Really? https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3u9moq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

I don’t run out of time for this but arguing at this point is useless. Most people are in “wait and see” mode until December. If a consensus doesn’t emerge after that workshop, then Core will be forked by the industry.

inb4 corpcoin. Grin

[img]http://-snip-[img]

So there will be corpcoin and nichecoin. The choice will be yours.

In other words a beat down Honda vs. a Ferrari. I know which one I choose Cheesy

I would choose the Honda, less expensive and more reliable.

That just goes to show how economically illiterate you are.

http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/13/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/

I strongly disagree with the economic theory in this article, furthermore it quotes Warren Buffet to make its points, someone I certainly also often disagree with. Whatever your economic beliefs might be it does not change that I do not think that Bitcoin economic policy should be decided on by a small group of technical experts in the form of Core.

We can start having a discussion when you stop entertaining this blatant BS.

Until then, you're just another troll. Enjoy your irrelevancy

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Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 02:53:36 PM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 26, 2015, 02:46:25 PM

Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 02:06:48 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 26, 2015, 01:55:31 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on November 26, 2015, 01:17:54 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 26, 2015, 12:47:01 PM

Quote from: valiz on November 26, 2015, 12:04:03 PM

You are actually supporting XT and huge blocks. You are among the last standing supporters. Even knight appears to run out of time for this.

Really? https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3u9moq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

I don’t run out of time for this but arguing at this point is useless. Most people are in “wait and see” mode until December. If a consensus doesn’t emerge after that workshop, then Core will be forked by the industry.

inb4 corpcoin. Grin

[img]http://-snip-[img]

So there will be corpcoin and nichecoin. The choice will be yours.

In other words a beat down Honda vs. a Ferrari. I know which one I choose Cheesy

I would choose the Honda, less expensive and more reliable.

That just goes to show how economically illiterate you are.

http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/13/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/

I strongly disagree with the economic theory in this article, furthermore it quotes Warren Buffet to make its points, someone I certainly also often disagree with. Whatever your economic beliefs might be it does not change that I think that Bitcoin economic policy should not be decided on by a small group of technical experts in the form of Core.

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 26, 2015, 02:46:25 PM

Quote from: brg444 on November 26, 2015, 02:06:48 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 26, 2015, 01:55:31 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on November 26, 2015, 01:17:54 PM

Quote from: knight22 on November 26, 2015, 12:47:01 PM

Quote from: valiz on November 26, 2015, 12:04:03 PM

You are actually supporting XT and huge blocks. You are among the last standing supporters. Even knight appears to run out of time for this.

Really? https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3u9moq/gavin_andresen_i_might_take_over_lead_of_bitcoin/

I don’t run out of time for this but arguing at this point is useless. Most people are in “wait and see” mode until December. If a consensus doesn’t emerge after that workshop, then Core will be forked by the industry.

inb4 corpcoin. Grin

[img]http://-snip-[img]

So there will be corpcoin and nichecoin. The choice will be yours.

In other words a beat down Honda vs. a Ferrari. I know which one I choose Cheesy

I would choose the Honda, less expensive and more reliable.

That just goes to show how economically illiterate you are.

http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/13/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/

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