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No thanks.


So what is the difference between 1 phone + 1 phone being used as a dedicated bitcoin device  vs 1 phone + dedicated bitcoin device.

My point is the hardware already exists.  It is called a smartphone.  It has everything you need including connectivity and software.

For most casual users a single device is fine for the paranoid just carry two.  

Just to nitpick, I know you're trying to say that the card must be "active" in the general sense that it must perform computation, which is true.  But "passive" and "active" refer to the power source, which is technically irrelevant.

The power source could be passive.  The thing that prevents cloning is the design and the user interface.  Simplistic RFID tags are not designed to be secure and obviously lack a secure user interface.

Ah, I see.  A bitcoin card can't be a  passive RFID.  It has to be an active id by it's nature.  Good luck cloning those.

A 'pro' RFID reader/writer.

What is a proxmark?

What will stop people from going around with a Proxmark and cloning those cards?

This looks promising!

I notice they don't have a bitcoin donation address yet though.

http://www.servalproject.org/  they have mesh networking on android....Ive actually used it in Melbourne

Do some research on the matter.

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No reason for a smartphone to have internet when you don't want it to.  "Airplane mode" disables all radios at the device level.  Kinda hard to be online when you have no signal.

Unless you intend to carry a second phone to actually make calls, texts or use the Internet while mobile; you're going to turn that mode off eventually.  I'm not concerned about a live hacker taking my money, I'm concerned about a worm or virus that steals android wallets.  That only takes a few seconds.

How are you going to do a Bitcoin tx when neither party has access to the internet?

No reason for a smartphone to have internet when you don't want it to.  "Airplane mode" disables all radios at the device level.  Kinda hard to be online when you have no signal.

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News will arrive around June 10-15th 

Smartphones are just computers that are always accessible to the Internet.  Android can be, and has been, hacked.  No thanks.  I have an android phone and won't keep more than petty cash on it.  I want a device that is inherently more secure than an operating system with continuous Internet access that can still transact in a relatively conveint fashion.  I can have a perfectly secure savings account printed onto archival paper & in my safe that I can send money to all day, but I can't readily use that on a normal basis though.

Hello Yankee,


Any news about this device?

Plus the smartphone will be the platform of the future.  Android smartphones are now as cheap as $149 on prepaid plan without contract and there are prepaid plans as cheap as $30 per month.

Things like Google wallet & NFC are going to be the next killer app (NFC is useful for more than just payments it can replace membership cards, loyalty cards, metro cards, basically every piece of plastic in your wallet).

I love my SamSung Galaxy Nexus.  Google gives you $10 free to put on a prepaid "card" in the wallet.  I bought a soda & hotdog from 7-11 by tapping my phone.  Pretty cool tech that just works.  This will get people use to the idea of digital "money" and the smartphone as the payment platform.

While Google may never support Bitcoin other apps can use NFC hardware.  If 7-11 wanted to accept Bitcoins tomorrow the hardware is already in place in their 30,000 stores.  All they need is the backend software to process, verify, and route a signed Bitcoin tx received by NFC.

NFC & Smartphones will be gateway to mass usage of Bitcoin.  NFC can also be used point to point.  Say your friend owes you $10.  You make a payment request for 2 BTC (pretty much 2 or 3 clicks in a smartphone wallet app).  You tap your phone against his.  He gets the payment request his wallet app opens up showing the amount, note, address.  He enters his pin and your get a the 0-confirm notification in seconds.

Same here... I was happy until the part about when they track people buying stuff... That killed it for me!

That is not necessary, a smartcard just needs to sign transactions and updating the future multi-gig blockchain on that vapor devices connection is not gonna happen anyway.

If you had read the thread, I mentioned that I can do that all now if I'm willing to pay for a cell phone & service, but I can avoid such charges with a meshable device.

Why not a simple SMS instead?

I'd likely buy a usb dongle to serve this purpose in my own home, in order to keep my own cards up to date.


Only if she travels beyond a single hop range, and again, if I know generally where she is going (say the mall or a public park) I don't need to know precisely where to meet her if I need to drive to pick her up.  I couldn't text her from the house if she was beyond the single hop range, but if I sent a text like "I'm on my way to pick you up, we're going to grandma's, be ready" the text would arrive at her card as soon as I were close enough for a single hop to work.