Topic: Bitcoinica stolen coin returns (Read 13143 times)
Nearly forgot about this one
the development of an alt-coin (double blinding signing) which makes such registries more such lunacy more difficult to implement.
Are you suggesting it is possible to combine eCash blinded signature with a decentralized blockchain, somehow? In other words, a fully anonymous p2p currency??
Please, explain a little more if that's the case. Perhaps open a new topic about it...
Yeah, it would be like magic. I mean Bitcoin is like magic sort of, but no double spending and no trail just seems like fairy tales. Obv I'm very interested if someone can explain how this could be possible.
I found this: http://wbl.github.com/bitcoinanon.pdf
I read it once, and my conclusion is: I'm too ignorant in cryptography.
I just can't understand what's in that paper. I'll search if it has been discussed here already. By discussed I mean explained in a language mere mortals may understand.
Interesting, but it's not good enough.
That paper details a method whereby the sender of coins can easily defraud the recipient(s), and simply shrugs it off because the fraud would eventually be detected.
Anyone know what happened after the linode hack? Linode was clearly responsible, I wonder if they covered the damages and repaid to Bitcoinica.
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... meanwhile let me speculate with you: All hosting I know has regulation saying that you will not have to pay for days that their service is offline if that is above a certain percentage. None of them askes how much the service is worth running per hour and surely none of them cares if you put crypto tokens on it that can be stolen. Most likely if you want to off-load that risk, you would have to find an insurance and if I were an insurance I would certainly not insure bitcoins that lay outside of my influence. insure - steal -claim it wasn't you - profit.
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... meanwhile let me speculate with you: All hosting I know has regulation saying that you will not have to pay for days that their service is offline if that is above a certain percentage. None of them askes how much the service is worth running per hour and surely none of them cares if you put crypto tokens on it that can be stolen. Most likely if you want to off-load that risk, you would have to find an insurance and if I were an insurance I would certainly not insure bitcoins that lay outside of my influence. insure - steal -claim it wasn't you - profit.
Just read their Terms of Service here: http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm
I wonder if they were different prior to the hack? If anyone has a copy we could see if there is still any hope apart from seeing if their current ToS is valid according to law.
Anyone know what happened after the linode hack? Linode was clearly responsible, I wonder if they covered the damages and repaid to Bitcoinica.
Off topic! Moderators do something!!
... meanwhile let me speculate with you: All hosting I know has regulation saying that you will not have to pay for days that their service is offline if that is above a certain percentage. None of them askes how much the service is worth running per hour and surely none of them cares if you put crypto tokens on it that can be stolen. Most likely if you want to off-load that risk, you would have to find an insurance and if I were an insurance I would certainly not insure bitcoins that lay outside of my influence. insure - steal -claim it wasn't you - profit.
Anyone know what happened after the linode hack? Linode was clearly responsible, I wonder if they covered the damages and repaid to Bitcoinica.
Screw tracking coins!
I want bitcoin to be money. Without fungibility it is not money.
had to spew this somewhere, probably not the most appropriate thread. Can anyone point me to a fruitful discussion about this?
I want bitcoin to be money. Without fungibility it is not money.
had to spew this somewhere, probably not the most appropriate thread. Can anyone point me to a fruitful discussion about this?
Thanks for the build, didnt get any stolen coins, but Ive been looking for a copy of 0.6.2 with coin control, without the security risks of running next-test 24/7.
His reasoning is simple, he wants to be famous.
Bragging "hackers" (I use the quotes because he actually broke into an e-mail account) are the worse kind.
The good thing about it, is that they get caught first.
Bragging "hackers" (I use the quotes because he actually broke into an e-mail account) are the worse kind.
The good thing about it, is that they get caught first.
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT send any of these coins to anyone involved with bitcoinica before bitcoinica reveal their endgame strategy.
There is decent speculation that they are planning to make a "run on the bank", if that doesnt happen then it would be the right thing to send them the coins accumulated from the hacker funded wallet.
There is decent speculation that they are planning to make a "run on the bank", if that doesnt happen then it would be the right thing to send them the coins accumulated from the hacker funded wallet.
I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?
Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force.How does that sound?
That's ok I just paid them more.
I found this: http://wbl.github.com/bitcoinanon.pdf
I read it once, and my conclusion is: I'm too ignorant in cryptography.
I just can't understand what's in that paper. I'll search if it has been discussed here already. By discussed I mean explained in a language mere mortals may understand.
I read it once, and my conclusion is: I'm too ignorant in cryptography.
I just can't understand what's in that paper. I'll search if it has been discussed here already. By discussed I mean explained in a language mere mortals may understand.
I opened this topic about this subject: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blind-signatures-for-bitcoin-transaction-anonymity-by-watson-ladd-82947
No! Godwin's law dammit! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
It's too late. Luke wins the thread. He is now your king and lawful ruler... amen.
Everyone BOW to the king or PERISH 4evahhh!
but they are still States with legitimate authority.
if by legitimate you mean self asserted and enforced through the threat of violence, then you are right.
the police, checking the pawn shops, will collect the stolen property and not provide any compensation to the pawn shop.
Is that suppose to mean something to me? Is what the police does somehow indicative of what should be done or more so what I should do? News flash I don't give a rats ass what violent thugs in a blue costume do or think I should do.
Btw we had kings ... for most of our history until we didn't.
And society is worse now than it was with kings. I support monarchy.thefuck?
the development of an alt-coin (double blinding signing) which makes such registries more such lunacy more difficult to implement.
Are you suggesting it is possible to combine eCash blinded signature with a decentralized blockchain, somehow? In other words, a fully anonymous p2p currency??
Please, explain a little more if that's the case. Perhaps open a new topic about it...
Yeah, it would be like magic. I mean Bitcoin is like magic sort of, but no double spending and no trail just seems like fairy tales. Obv I'm very interested if someone can explain how this could be possible.
I found this: http://wbl.github.com/bitcoinanon.pdf
I read it once, and my conclusion is: I'm too ignorant in cryptography.
I just can't understand what's in that paper. I'll search if it has been discussed here already. By discussed I mean explained in a language mere mortals may understand.
No! Godwin's law dammit! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
It's too late. Luke wins the thread. He is now your king and lawful ruler... amen.
- The government does have the authority to investigate and prosecute these cases
herp derp
Sometimes I think the entire fundie luke jr thing is just trolling since you are very intelligent in other ways, but I suppose indoctrination gets to the best of us.
Also, if God is the source of all authority, God is the source of all violence, which would make him very evil indeed. Congratulations on justifying the reign of Hitler while you were at it.
No! Godwin's law dammit! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
If he really wanna distribute the coins in the robin hood fashion he'd donate to p2pool.
This way the coins would be evenly and most untraceable distributed and it would make p2pool the largest pool.
Anyone checked the balance of this supposed giveback account, there are like 13coins on there, now that's pathetic.
Actually ... I had a look at that address that Luke-jr gave outThis way the coins would be evenly and most untraceable distributed and it would make p2pool the largest pool.
Anyone checked the balance of this supposed giveback account, there are like 13coins on there, now that's pathetic.
And it is a little interesting:
http://blockchain.info/address/1BPKHoL1sAVnfzxnH38RfXYYcHrEcniUKW
The first transaction to that address (at the bottom) I guess is a test transaction:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/6244057/b72e2ebcf768dc93781faa31c00c99ea202761c405a53e02e46cd5911f9ea233
Which comes from the IP address 69.178.3.55
http://blockchain.info/ip-address/69.178.3.55
And the first 2 transactions listed at blockchain.info from that IP address are from the addresses:
1) 1L2Xi8ZB3jkgpZsvLjWUexUPAujcGVAqqk
and
2) 1P5mbiNiPhcwhENSpfJdZ4VSwW3R95ySQw
now 1) leads directly back to 2) (2 steps back)
http://blockchain.info/address/1L2Xi8ZB3jkgpZsvLjWUexUPAujcGVAqqk
... and you will get a chain of addresses leading exactly back to
3,488 BTC with lots of sizeable transactions along the way over the past 2 days.
However! If you click on
http://blockchain.info/address/1P5mbiNiPhcwhENSpfJdZ4VSwW3R95ySQw
And follow it 1 step forward (instead of back) to this address where most of it's BTC went:
http://blockchain.info/address/18iWntFfrMo6S5P3BBUg6uDhEarFqhnSn
Which is a very interesting address ... since it has process 49,511.8954335 BTC since 12-Mar ...
So I guess that's either a sizeable transaction service ... or ?
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