Topic: Bitcoinorama: Shill for KNC? Hardware is too full of sock puppets (Read 10077 times)

Yet none of what you call shilling ever occurred in the KNC thread. How odd.

On the other hand there was no shortage of guys like you who trolled the HF threads as well as mine.

As for ytter, he's just an angry guy.

 ... in fact cypherdoc's shilling was so bad I had to put him on ignore and made a point of ignoring anything relating to Hashfast.

 Have zero interest in whatever it is they are working on or putting out because of that dude. Same with Butterfly Labs because of Inaba / Josh Zerlan. Yifu / Bitsyncomm / Avalon ? Don't get me started...

 Competition is getting way to fierce for their douche-baggery to be rewarded and supported.

 Bitcoinorama, obviously being involved with KnC, seems to be a reasonable guy, and I can't say anything bad about him.

 

Are you saying he is PAID to post?

I can't imagine Hashfast got their money's worth out of you.

au contraire.

given the sequence of events, i am brimming with confidence.

Desperation is a foul stench indeed.

LOL? Revive this topic for this? Wow...

Wild stab in the dark, or actual email correspondence:

Hashfast: Why is the KNC thread always top of the Custom Hardware board and hardly anyone shows any interest in our thread?

CypherDoc: Don't worry, I'll spread some FUD, continually post negative comments in the KNC thread and try and pick a fight with Bitcoinorama. I'll suggest Hashfast as being better in every way by copying stuff from your press releases.

Hashfast: Thanks CypherDoc, we knew we could depend on you...

Cue defensive post from CypherDoc proclaiming his integrity and stating something about his reputation.

sorry, what?! why is this being dug up again??

holy shit guys, you're wasting so much precious life time with your silly internet discussions/accusations 

Yes he is a shill.

So what's he gonna do about this mess?

as i said in my endorsement thread, i am no longer getting paid by HashFast.  so that's good.

the only thing i have against Bitcoinorama is that he tried to say that i had a malice of intent b/c of my cc cancellations with KNC and BF when i had only held those measly orders for a measly 2 wks.  i still can provide those receipts if i have to to prove this.

and now, we're seeing tons of ppl doing the same thing and considering it normal practice and self protection as they move their orders to cheaper vendors to save money.  i believe he was using me to attack HF.

but as i said before, i think he has provided useful info that i myself used to initially place my orders with KNC in good faith.  

+1

Nothing would change if Bitcoinorama was once and for all proven to be or proven not to be a shill.

Hell, 'orama could have even told us in his first post he was an official online representative from KnC. And if KnC never showed up to deny it, nobody would have doubted it. There would be one useless thread less and probably 50 pages of BS less in the KnC thread.

God. So much rhetoric and inciting words with false substance.

The accusations and points raised towards Bitcoinorama all seem valid, and especially so to most people without prior knowledge of the respective companies, but damnit anyone can and should just go through his post history if feeling suspicious and think for yourself about the validity of his posts. Think for yourself.

Is it not true that support for different payment methods indicate different prospects for a company?
Or that Hashfast changed its terms? Is that not true, or not important? Perhaps they were just bored. "Aw, I have nothing to do. I guess I'll just go and change the terms and conditions for fun!"

The answer for the title is obvious (no), but the question itself is highly irrelevant. Take cypherdoc for example, he is a known shill for hashfast. But so what? Yes, the difference is that he has incentive to put the company in a good light. But does that mean there is no useful information there? We do live in the 21st Century, learn how to separate the signal from the noise. Again, think for yourself.

You don't have to believe anything, and please form your own judgement. But for all the visitors, please note that the lowest common denominator is what usually gets passed around, and that threads and posts with flaming phrases, like in real life (ads), are mostly by and large useless.


 



(Fucking hell, I don't have anything to do with this. I've just lurked too long and can't bear to see Bitcoinorama being worn out by multiple non-stop trolls when he, at least in my eyes, contributed much useful information for this community. We need more people like him if anything, and ironically he gets his thread against him. Speaking of this community, it's slowly bearing a striking resemblance to 4chan. Minus the coarse humor, and with more shit, less diamonds. )

Ok...

I don't believe, in those hundreds of pages, that he claimed impartiality. Maybe I'm wrong, as to be honest I skipped about 50 pages after I moved, but He has always since his visit been very positive about KnC, and has flown his bias in the open. He also advised caution. Being happy with a company, or even wildly optimisitic (which he has not) isn't the same as shilling for them.

For an example, which hasn't been shown on this forum but still applies as an example, I am a fan of Glock firearms. I love 'em, I recommend them for experts (not novices), and I rarely miss an opportunity, in the correct venues, to discuss them. I'm certainly not a shill as Glock has never paid me a dime or a round. I don't have the money to buy their product currently, yet I still love the weapons. When asked for a recommendation on firearms, they are the SECOND gun I recommend, even though they are my personal favorite, due to the twitchiness of their decocker. A novice could easily shoot themsellves in the foot.

By comparison, Bitcoinorama has been very positive in his estimation of KnC, yet has consistently advised that you do NOT purchase from them in any manner that can't be reversed or legally disputed. This doesn't make sense if he's in on a scam, now does it?

I don't know what started this snit, nor do I care, but damn if you're gonna attack somebody, at least get your facts somewhat in line.

Oh, and just because I know you're gonna go there, Yeah, I like him. He was cool to me from the second day I was registered on this board, he's intelligent and easy to converse with, and he usually makes good sense.

If they did give him a miner for his efforts, he earned it. If they deliver, and he takes the job, I wish him nothing but success. My only beef with him is he got to go to Stockholm, and I didn't.

Sorry had to show the PMs as you were behaving totally out of line. I had to show you asked me reasonable questions, and I gave you sincere answers. That I had shown no ill favour, and provided no justifiable reason behind your current nastiness directed towards me. For the little I knew of you, you're behaving out of character for someone I had just courteously helped for no reason other than kindness. I'm still utterly confused and angered you're behaving this way hen I took the time, my time to respond. Have KnC offered anything under the table? no. Would I like to have 1 miner for every buyer that's bought based on using my words in their decision process? in hindsight fuck yeah. Did I know they were going to open up an affiliate program? no. Am I part of it? no. Have I stated I absolutely will not be part of it until they prove a working product? Yes. Have I stated I don't think they should run with one until they have a proven working product? yes. Is it my business what they decide currently? no. Am I expecting payment currently? Flight and accommodation would damn well be considerate. Did they pay for that last time? No, and yes I have the card statement to prove it. They mentioned something about rewarding members of the community and opening it up for the forum to decide at the point of production at the open day, but I haven't structured my habits around that, thank. $7k for 3/4 months of being on this forum is peanuts. Believe it or not I've followed this forum as it's been an exciting engineering race, and is 21st century prospectors dream. You couldn't make the BFL/Avalon stories up, neither could you about the engineering feat KnC have decided to tackle. In hindsight it's both madness and the only sensible solution for any legitimate competitor. Aim for the front as it's where it's going anyway. I've been brutally honest in this forum the entire time, every damn prediction I have made about every company has been spot on. Why the fuck am I being persecuted, still? At the time of this thread starting I was being given beef about being pro KnC, and being critical towards Xcrowd, and Hashfast; well; Where are XCrowd? How many times has Hashfast changed it's terms of sale since this thread started, and never told their customers? Noticed this addition a little over a week ago, I have an account set up on changedetection.com tracking changes of terms on most manufacturers sites; on the 9/11 when they changed their terms 4 times in one week;


I'm not the one being devious, above is written consent that a company is awarding itself the power to change and/or negate all terms of sale without forewarning to any of it's customers, when they have been changing their terms of sale the entire time without forewarning any of it's customers, and involved in grossly questionable marketing practices whilst actively taking all steps to remove payment security and accountability.

The crown for being a safe and honest choice for people here has been open for anyone's taking. Why will so few companies attempt this feat? Why shoot me for pointing out what nobody else focuses on. The only people who are pissed off are the ones who are no longer making money from screwing people over here. I like Cointerra, they are making progress, but their chip estimations are theoretical best case. Bitfury has a product in hand and I have never said a bad word about him. One of the first to congratulate Punin in thread, on the day. I mention KnC, then; shill this, shill that because I paid them a visit and stood up for an honest business, and pointed out the dishonest shenanigans occurring elsewhere.

Has KnC taken massive strides into proving everything I said was true? What the hell is the problem with being honest on this f**king forum?!?

His forum is infested with shills and paid trolls.

....rama, ..cake etc

There are also shill=>hater conversions

.....erupter, ...gie

Lol

If it's useless, why do you feel the need to reply?

I never said he was already on the KNC payroll, but as I said in the other thread, I would not be surprised if he is in line for a free miner or two for this PR/marketing efforts. Payment in kind - you understand? He is totally impartial with a job offer on the table? Right. I'll believe that. He hasn't done a single thing to "encourage" people to buy from KNC. Right. I'll buy that too.

I even sent him a few private messages (you can see them above - oh the integrity!) when I joined the forum, as he seemed to be the go-to guy when it came to KNC. But yeah, he hasn't influenced anyone. I'll buy that.

In my own words; my response in that thread;

the value of the hardware section of this forum is about as valuable as the conversations of "what do you think the price with be friday"