that is just like asking> bitcoinrama, are you on knc's pay list?
Topic: Bitcoinorama: Shill for KNC? Hardware is too full of sock puppets - page 2. (Read 10082 times)
September 23, 2013, 11:55:26 AM
that is just like asking> bitcoinrama, are you on knc's pay list?
August 23, 2013, 12:44:47 PM
Except that (now) your whole argument (which keeps changing) depends on whether the court will decide you're akin to a sole trader or not (which you still haven't proven).
Unless you ARE a registered "sole trader", in which case you're a business already, which makes your comment irrelevant since I'm asking the question wrt to the B2C nature of the trade when claiming to be a business to obtain business-only goods. (got that?)
So, in a B2B case, does a private person have B2C rights or B2B rights? (it's not a completely accurate description of the issue but maybe it's clearer for you).
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader
Unless you ARE a registered "sole trader", in which case you're a business already, which makes your comment irrelevant since I'm asking the question wrt to the B2C nature of the trade when claiming to be a business to obtain business-only goods. (got that?)
So, in a B2B case, does a private person have B2C rights or B2B rights? (it's not a completely accurate description of the issue but maybe it's clearer for you).
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader
My argument has never changed. I brought up the sole trader aspect in the very beginning of the KnC thread.
It was you that brought up the consumer/business angle when I declared I was purchasing on ccard? Confused much?
If you register as a sole trader, you don't pay VAT. Why wouldn't you register as such?! Quite frankly the way mining is headed with respect to legislation it makes complete sense to.
You can also claim other business expenses, such electricity (yes cheaper electricity), associated hardware and products necessary for a business to function. In addition you host your machine at home you can claim some of your rent back, though for specifics you need to speak with an accountant. I'm not an accountant, nor am I a lawyer, never have I claimed to be. I do care about people getting ripped off and sharing information I have found. Always stated that. What's your excuse? You've no interest in helping others, just determined to have a petty fight as long as you can prove me wrong. It's pathetic.
You have a bee in your bonnet as you gave a lot of unsecured funds to Bitsyncom and are quite rightly upset.
Though several things strike me as weird;
You're so disposed to the intricacies of consumer protection and secured purchases, yet flouted all of that for your own purchase.
You've even consulted lawyers (if that's even true) on the legalities of making a purchase within a company you have no intention of buying from, yet seem blazé about your own predicament with Bisyncom. Would lawyers' advice there not be more imperative for your own circumstance and relevant and helpful to a wider disgruntled audience of the community on Bitcointalk?
You seem to forget your whole hearted efforts at trying to dismiss KnC as a scam from the start to protect your own interests. You tried you damned hardest to stop people from purchasing there and it's in the thread for all to see.
I don't care where people purchase from as long as they inform themselves to their best abilities and take responsibility for their own purchase, where possible I want to see respectable vendors value their customers, not aim for a one shot chance at making easy cash and disappearing.
The fact you dismiss the advice from the UK Citizen's Advice Beaureau, is quite frankly, laughable. Go away and concentrate on Bitsyncom and where the hell your thousands of dollars of chips are.
As I've said before I take no pleasure in seeing people suffer from foul play or those that have not received what they ordered. I do want people bulk chips to arrive as they have already paid for them. I already factored in them being present in the network prior to KnC being successful, if that will be the case. You take pleasure in other people's misery. You're a nasty piece of work KS.
August 23, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
Except that (now) your whole argument (which keeps changing) depends on whether the court will decide you're akin to a sole trader or not (which you still haven't proven).
Unless you ARE a registered "sole trader", in which case you're a business already, which makes your comment irrelevant since I'm asking the question wrt to the B2C nature of the trade when claiming to be a business to obtain business-only goods. (got that?)
So, in a B2B case, does a private person have B2C rights or B2B rights? (it's not a completely accurate description of the issue but maybe it's clearer for you).
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader
Unless you ARE a registered "sole trader", in which case you're a business already, which makes your comment irrelevant since I'm asking the question wrt to the B2C nature of the trade when claiming to be a business to obtain business-only goods. (got that?)
So, in a B2B case, does a private person have B2C rights or B2B rights? (it's not a completely accurate description of the issue but maybe it's clearer for you).
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader
August 23, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
Lol, and the rest, it's a shame you don't actually do any research KS, you really should click that Citizen's Advice Bureau link. Never have I said that consumer rights are complete when dealing with a business sale, but am I protected, sure;
True and that will effect those that have paid with BTC and wire transfers.
Or by credit card, or by debit card, or by cash, or any other method.
Edit: You have protection from your credit card company if you can prove that the [supplier] company has failed to live up to the contract. But you do not have the benefit of consumer protection when deciding whether they have lived up to the contract or not. You don't have a right to cancel, so they can't have failed to provide you that right. You certainly aren't without rights, but you have fewer rights than you would have with a B2C contract.
Edit 2: In general, I am certainly in agreement that paying by credit card is by far the safest method of paying for goods. (Offtopic: But a very poor method for paying for ongoing services)
True and that will effect those that have paid with BTC and wire transfers.
Or by credit card, or by debit card, or by cash, or any other method.
Unless you have called your card issuing bank, explained the circumstances and they have said they are content with offering you protection when making the purchase.
Again, noone is saying that you have no protection with a B2B contract.
But you do not have the same level of protection that you would with a B2C contract. You just don't. The Distance Selling Regulations, which would otherwise provide a complete right to a refund, do not apply.
But you do not have the same level of protection that you would with a B2C contract. You just don't. The Distance Selling Regulations, which would otherwise provide a complete right to a refund, do not apply.
True and that will effect those that have paid with BTC and wire transfers.
Or by credit card, or by debit card, or by cash, or any other method.
Edit: You have protection from your credit card company if you can prove that the [supplier] company has failed to live up to the contract. But you do not have the benefit of consumer protection when deciding whether they have lived up to the contract or not. You don't have a right to cancel, so they can't have failed to provide you that right. You certainly aren't without rights, but you have fewer rights than you would have with a B2C contract.
Edit 2: In general, I am certainly in agreement that paying by credit card is by far the safest method of paying for goods. (Offtopic: But a very poor method for paying for ongoing services)
Again, noone is saying that you have no protection with a B2B contract.
But you do not have the same level of protection that you would with a B2C contract. You just don't. The Distance Selling Regulations, which would otherwise provide a complete right to a refund, do not apply.
But you do not have the same level of protection that you would with a B2C contract. You just don't. The Distance Selling Regulations, which would otherwise provide a complete right to a refund, do not apply.
True and that will effect those that have paid with BTC and wire transfers.
Or by credit card, or by debit card, or by cash, or any other method.
Unless you have called your card issuing bank, explained the circumstances and they have said they are content with offering you protection when making the purchase.
August 23, 2013, 11:47:11 AM
I'll just leave this here for you to ponder:
Thank-you Murray.
While it is true that a B2B contract may not take away all of the consumer protection that would apply to a B2C contract, it does take away considerable portions of it, such as the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations, which do not apply to B2B contracts. The Distance Selling Regulations would also not apply.
And, in general, when interpreting B2B contracts, courts will take the view that each side has received appropriate advice, and negotiated a contract that matches their wishes, while with a standard fixed B2C contract that the consumer does not have the opportunity to negotiate, they will recognise the imbalance of arms, and construe all terms in a way that favours the consumer.
And, in general, when interpreting B2B contracts, courts will take the view that each side has received appropriate advice, and negotiated a contract that matches their wishes, while with a standard fixed B2C contract that the consumer does not have the opportunity to negotiate, they will recognise the imbalance of arms, and construe all terms in a way that favours the consumer.
While it is true that a B2B contract may not take away all of the consumer protection that would apply to a B2C contract, it does take away considerable portions of it, such as the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations, which do not apply to B2B contracts. The Distance Selling Regulations would also not apply.
And, in general, when interpreting B2B contracts, courts will take the view that each side has received appropriate advice, and negotiated a contract that matches their wishes, while with a standard fixed B2C contract that the consumer does not have the opportunity to negotiate, they will recognise the imbalance of arms, and construe all terms in a way that favours the consumer.
And, in general, when interpreting B2B contracts, courts will take the view that each side has received appropriate advice, and negotiated a contract that matches their wishes, while with a standard fixed B2C contract that the consumer does not have the opportunity to negotiate, they will recognise the imbalance of arms, and construe all terms in a way that favours the consumer.
Thank-you Murray.
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Business to business sales, are consumer rights applicable? (Note: this is UK focused)
In short, yes, unless the company you are dealing with has specifically underwritten terms in their Terms and Conditions negating aspects of your consumer rights. This is known as an exclusion clause, and is yet another reason why Terms and Conditions should always be read and thoroughly discussed in your respective thread.
In short, yes, unless the company you are dealing with has specifically underwritten terms in their Terms and Conditions negating aspects of your consumer rights. This is known as an exclusion clause, and is yet another reason why Terms and Conditions should always be read and thoroughly discussed in your respective thread.
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How do you know if the contract (business to business) takes away your statutory rights?
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm
In particular, sections 10 and 11 of the Distance Selling Regulations, which would otherwise have given an absolute right to cancel, will not apply to a pre-order written as a B2B contract rather than a B2C one. In the particular field of Bitcoin ASIC miner pre-orders, I think that is quite a significant loss!
Edit: If by repeating that quote, you intend to imply that there is no loss of protection, you are simply wrong.
From the Distance Selling Regulations:
This simply does not apply to businesses.
Similarly for the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations:
And, from the OFTs guidance on the UTCCR:
Edit: If by repeating that quote, you intend to imply that there is no loss of protection, you are simply wrong.
From the Distance Selling Regulations:
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“consumer” means any natural person who, in contracts to which these Regulations apply, is acting for purposes which are outside his business;
[...]
Right to cancel
10.—(1) Subject to regulation 13, if within the cancellation period set out in regulations 11 and 12, the consumer gives a notice of cancellation to the supplier, or any other person previously notified by the supplier to the consumer as a person to whom notice of cancellation may be given, the notice of cancellation shall operate to cancel the contract.
(2) Except as otherwise provided by these Regulations, the effect of a notice of cancellation is that the contract shall be treated as if it had not been made.
[...]
Right to cancel
10.—(1) Subject to regulation 13, if within the cancellation period set out in regulations 11 and 12, the consumer gives a notice of cancellation to the supplier, or any other person previously notified by the supplier to the consumer as a person to whom notice of cancellation may be given, the notice of cancellation shall operate to cancel the contract.
(2) Except as otherwise provided by these Regulations, the effect of a notice of cancellation is that the contract shall be treated as if it had not been made.
This simply does not apply to businesses.
Similarly for the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations:
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What terms are not covered?
Most standard terms are covered by the UTCCRs. The exceptions are those:
that reflect provisions which by law have to be included in contracts
that have been individually negotiated
in contracts between businesses
in contracts between private individuals
in certain contracts that people do not make as consumers – for example, relating to employment or setting up a business
in contracts entered into before 1995.
Most standard terms are covered by the UTCCRs. The exceptions are those:
that reflect provisions which by law have to be included in contracts
that have been individually negotiated
in contracts between businesses
in contracts between private individuals
in certain contracts that people do not make as consumers – for example, relating to employment or setting up a business
in contracts entered into before 1995.
And, from the OFTs guidance on the UTCCR:
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The fact that certain customers – even a majority – are not consumers does not justify exclusion of liability that could affect consumers. However, there is no objection under the Regulations to terms which cannot affect consumers, for example those which exclude liability for business losses, or losses to business customers.
August 23, 2013, 10:46:05 AM
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TL;DR. (Wall-o-words'o-avoiding-to-answer.)
Substantiate. Put actual quotes, discuss.
August 23, 2013, 09:51:29 AM
First you say it's fun watching him squirm, now you say you've got no interest and he's on ignore.
WHICH IS IT BITCOINORAMA!? WHICH IS IT!?
WHICH IS IT BITCOINORAMA!? WHICH IS IT!?
August 23, 2013, 09:00:21 AM
KS, just give it up, I'm not interested. You're on ignore.
There's just no need for you anymore. The flaw in your plan to disprove the legitimacy of KnC was always going to be that they were legitimate.
Countering your continuous barrage of nonsensical statements, and false claims just strengthened their position, as they always did exist, and have played by the rules, legally, whilst giving people what potentially maybe the fairest deal so far; the foresight to create a machine that would behave competitively, at a future date, with secured payment choices, during an uncertain, and justly untrustworthy point in Bitcoin mining's history. If they succeed.
I just got fed up of scams and bum deals and pushed for a solid proposal that kept people's funds safe, yet allowed an experienced IC design team a shot at what we all want, an end to the BS scams and delays. I never forced anyone to do as I said, I just said what I was doing, and I'm nobody's fool, I shared what I thought was helpful throughout one of the most bizarre periods I've ever witnessed. There's a lot of jealousy and negativity on this forum, but not from me, and I don't care to experience it either.
I hope both of our orders arrive on time, but I have no interest in communicating with an angry little man who just won't quit.
There's just no need for you anymore. The flaw in your plan to disprove the legitimacy of KnC was always going to be that they were legitimate.
Countering your continuous barrage of nonsensical statements, and false claims just strengthened their position, as they always did exist, and have played by the rules, legally, whilst giving people what potentially maybe the fairest deal so far; the foresight to create a machine that would behave competitively, at a future date, with secured payment choices, during an uncertain, and justly untrustworthy point in Bitcoin mining's history. If they succeed.
I just got fed up of scams and bum deals and pushed for a solid proposal that kept people's funds safe, yet allowed an experienced IC design team a shot at what we all want, an end to the BS scams and delays. I never forced anyone to do as I said, I just said what I was doing, and I'm nobody's fool, I shared what I thought was helpful throughout one of the most bizarre periods I've ever witnessed. There's a lot of jealousy and negativity on this forum, but not from me, and I don't care to experience it either.
I hope both of our orders arrive on time, but I have no interest in communicating with an angry little man who just won't quit.
August 23, 2013, 05:14:02 AM
It's fun watching you squirm KS, anyone whose followed the thread knows precisely how hard you've tried to call out the project as BS continuously.
I've never claimed legal advisor, I've just searched for the facts whenever you've attempted to spread FUD, routinely calling you on your crap. I've always advised people check for themselves, never once have I claimed authority.
Now you're trying to scrape what little credibility you can as you aim to wriggle an twist your way from your previous intent. Your stance has always been (after the numerous other allegations were proven to be FUD) that a business contract negates all consumer rights and that has to be why it was chosen. Well it doesn't and I proved that, the same as I disproved all your other theories.
Your attempts to smear are in the thread for all to see, and those that have followed are well aware of your intent.
As for your buddy NoDisco, what he fails to mention is he actually contacted me through PM on three-four occasions prior, so no it wasn't like I contacted him out of nowhere. I have his messages. He asked me for help, I helped as I saw fit, they were reasonable requests, I gave reasonable answers. After which he goes full crazy and attacks me on the forum for no reason.
KS you're a nasty spiteful piece of work, and always have been throughout that entire thread, you're now embittered that Bitsyncom haven't come through with your bulk chips. Believe it or not I take no comfort in that. I want everyone supporting the mining community to get their just share, but you make it real hard to feel sympathy for you, because you're a complete a***hole.
Still Anenome5 is totally correct, that's what the ignore button is for. Adios.
I've never claimed legal advisor, I've just searched for the facts whenever you've attempted to spread FUD, routinely calling you on your crap. I've always advised people check for themselves, never once have I claimed authority.
Now you're trying to scrape what little credibility you can as you aim to wriggle an twist your way from your previous intent. Your stance has always been (after the numerous other allegations were proven to be FUD) that a business contract negates all consumer rights and that has to be why it was chosen. Well it doesn't and I proved that, the same as I disproved all your other theories.
Your attempts to smear are in the thread for all to see, and those that have followed are well aware of your intent.
As for your buddy NoDisco, what he fails to mention is he actually contacted me through PM on three-four occasions prior, so no it wasn't like I contacted him out of nowhere. I have his messages. He asked me for help, I helped as I saw fit, they were reasonable requests, I gave reasonable answers. After which he goes full crazy and attacks me on the forum for no reason.
KS you're a nasty spiteful piece of work, and always have been throughout that entire thread, you're now embittered that Bitsyncom haven't come through with your bulk chips. Believe it or not I take no comfort in that. I want everyone supporting the mining community to get their just share, but you make it real hard to feel sympathy for you, because you're a complete a***hole.
Still Anenome5 is totally correct, that's what the ignore button is for. Adios.
^Your usual baseless drivel. How many months has it been that you failed to actually quote me and quote your rebuke? Starting to lose count.
You can't substantiate your argumentation so now you've switched from not answering my questions to denigrating me to calling me troll and now you make up fantasy tales about my state of mind regarding business you have no clue about. (oh, and let's not forget the insults)
Talk about grasping at straws.
August 22, 2013, 07:14:33 PM
I too can copy and paste PMs.
We can all play that game eh?BITCOINORAMA.COM
Updated Date: 2013-04-12 18:53:17
etc.
August 21, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
Well hopefully she'll use her stick and smack your ass up.
I too can copy and paste PMs. These were all from the 14th. Nothing here that's out of the ordinary, never spoke to the guy beforehand. He asked for some good advice, and got it. No idea what he's complaining about. Then he listen's to KS's BS without reading up any facts for himself, and goes totally fruit of the loom at me.;
Hi Bitcoinorama
I'm London based and saw you mention this about hosting "Also the one Sam's brother is hosting at in the UK as well.".
Do you have any more info on that? I don't really know much about who is interested in KNC in the UK or what is available here.
Cheers
ND
I'm London based and saw you mention this about hosting "Also the one Sam's brother is hosting at in the UK as well.".
Do you have any more info on that? I don't really know much about who is interested in KNC in the UK or what is available here.
Cheers
ND
There's meant to be a new place in the city in London. I've been meaning to give them a ding.
Sam's bro as far as I know is offering shares within units on contract terms.
Ask the guy if he'll consider hosting. If he's anything like Sam he'll be cool to chat to.
Sam's bro as far as I know is offering shares within units on contract terms.
Ask the guy if he'll consider hosting. If he's anything like Sam he'll be cool to chat to.
Do you mind if I ask another quick question? Did you figure out any way to deal with / claim back UK VAT? I'm not VAT registered, so don't know if there is any way to claim it back?
Cheers
ND
Cheers
ND
Dude you're going to have to register as a sole trader. It's not like you'll earn anything in a currently recognised currency, plus if hosting at your house you get your electricity written off and can charge yourself rent. There's quite a few perks. A good accountant can advise you. You'll pay capital gains on any profit (over £8k *i think*)
Otherwise someone who you know that owns a business could buy for you I guess. But that's probably not officially allowed.
Otherwise someone who you know that owns a business could buy for you I guess. But that's probably not officially allowed.
I'm already self employed. But you don't (can't?) register for tax I thought unless you earn over £70k (which I'm defo not 
).
If these miners really do run with standard PC power supplies, then the elec won't be that much. I suppose I could charge myself rent/hosting costs, but it all doesn't really seem to add up to much.
The VAT is the big bite I'd like to be able to claim back.
Anyway, thanks for your help. I'll do some more research. But I'm fairly sure a buyer not registered for VAT will be treated as a consumer buying a business product and have to just stomach the cost. At least their won't be duty to pay on it - the EU is good for something!
If you are ever around East London, I'll buy you a coffee Would be good to hear first hand your thoughts on KNC chances of Sept delivery. At least we know today they got a case and fans!
Cheers
ND
). If these miners really do run with standard PC power supplies, then the elec won't be that much. I suppose I could charge myself rent/hosting costs, but it all doesn't really seem to add up to much.
The VAT is the big bite I'd like to be able to claim back.
Anyway, thanks for your help. I'll do some more research. But I'm fairly sure a buyer not registered for VAT will be treated as a consumer buying a business product and have to just stomach the cost. At least their won't be duty to pay on it - the EU is good for something!
If you are ever around East London, I'll buy you a coffee
Would be good to hear first hand your thoughts on KNC chances of Sept delivery. At least we know today they got a case and fans! Cheers
ND
Dude of course you can claim VAT back, you can on anything that's a 'legitimate' business expense. 
lol. That fan heater cost me 10k and I want to claim back my VAT/winter heating allowance!
Not to get Columbo on you, but just one last thing. I read in one of your posts you said that if you pay by credit card through paypal, paypal "negates" the credit card protection rights? So really the 45 day period on paypal is the only protection, even if the payment came through a credit card?
Cheers
ND
Not to get Columbo on you, but just one last thing. I read in one of your posts you said that if you pay by credit card through paypal, paypal "negates" the credit card protection rights? So really the 45 day period on paypal is the only protection, even if the payment came through a credit card?
Cheers
ND
No read again, depends on the issuing bank, although that's more a US issue as they don't have Section 75, though check with your credit card issuing bank, and be very honest with them.
August 21, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
It's fun watching you squirm KS, anyone whose followed the thread knows precisely how hard you've tried to call out the project as BS continuously.
I've never claimed legal advisor, I've just searched for the facts whenever you've attempted to spread FUD, routinely calling you on your crap. I've always advised people check for themselves, never once have I claimed authority.
Now you're trying to scrape what little credibility you can as you aim to wriggle an twist your way from your previous intent. Your stance has always been (after the numerous other allegations were proven to be FUD) that a business contract negates all consumer rights and that has to be why it was chosen. Well it doesn't and I proved that, the same as I disproved all your other theories.
Your attempts to smear are in the thread for all to see, and those that have followed are well aware of your intent.
As for your buddy NoDisco, what he fails to mention is he actually contacted me through PM on three-four occasions prior, so no it wasn't like I contacted him out of nowhere. I have his messages. He asked me for help, I helped as I saw fit, they were reasonable requests, I gave reasonable answers. After which he goes full crazy and attacks me on the forum for no reason.
KS you're a nasty spiteful piece of work, and always have been throughout that entire thread, you're now embittered that Bitsyncom haven't come through with your bulk chips. Believe it or not I take no comfort in that. I want everyone supporting the mining community to get their just share, but you make it real hard to feel sympathy for you, because you're a complete a***hole.
Still Anenome5 is totally correct, that's what the ignore button is for. Adios.
I've never claimed legal advisor, I've just searched for the facts whenever you've attempted to spread FUD, routinely calling you on your crap. I've always advised people check for themselves, never once have I claimed authority.
Now you're trying to scrape what little credibility you can as you aim to wriggle an twist your way from your previous intent. Your stance has always been (after the numerous other allegations were proven to be FUD) that a business contract negates all consumer rights and that has to be why it was chosen. Well it doesn't and I proved that, the same as I disproved all your other theories.
Your attempts to smear are in the thread for all to see, and those that have followed are well aware of your intent.
As for your buddy NoDisco, what he fails to mention is he actually contacted me through PM on three-four occasions prior, so no it wasn't like I contacted him out of nowhere. I have his messages. He asked me for help, I helped as I saw fit, they were reasonable requests, I gave reasonable answers. After which he goes full crazy and attacks me on the forum for no reason.
KS you're a nasty spiteful piece of work, and always have been throughout that entire thread, you're now embittered that Bitsyncom haven't come through with your bulk chips. Believe it or not I take no comfort in that. I want everyone supporting the mining community to get their just share, but you make it real hard to feel sympathy for you, because you're a complete a***hole.
Still Anenome5 is totally correct, that's what the ignore button is for. Adios.
August 21, 2013, 08:26:20 PM
Let me sum up your position: you don't like me saying that KNCMINER is using a business contract which does not protect you like a consumer contract and that I don't like them.
So, in your mind, I MUST want to destroy them.
You're being silly is what you are, and you have entirely too much time on your hands to think up conspiracy theories.
EVERYTHING I said about them was based on fact/research and on their own BS.
I give you: we're KNCMINER company #123 (that was Kennemar & Cole AB), no actually, another company with #456 (KNCMINER AB), we're making an FPGA then an ASIC, no scratch that, just an ASIC, it will be modular, 2 modules, no scratch that, just one big box, we're talking with category3,4,5 datacenters for hosting (well 5 hasn't even been invented yet and there are only, like 8, TierIV), oh and company equity is actually "gov tax".
You avoid answering or simply deflect questions, don't post any proof of what you say (citations for your previous BS post?), continuously try to derail any conversation with tangents like
That just has "loser" written all over it. Get a life. You should have found a job by now, instead of posting legal advice you have no clue about.
So, in your mind, I MUST want to destroy them.
You're being silly is what you are, and you have entirely too much time on your hands to think up conspiracy theories.
EVERYTHING I said about them was based on fact/research and on their own BS.
I give you: we're KNCMINER company #123 (that was Kennemar & Cole AB), no actually, another company with #456 (KNCMINER AB), we're making an FPGA then an ASIC, no scratch that, just an ASIC, it will be modular, 2 modules, no scratch that, just one big box, we're talking with category3,4,5 datacenters for hosting (well 5 hasn't even been invented yet and there are only, like 8, TierIV), oh and company equity is actually "gov tax".
You avoid answering or simply deflect questions, don't post any proof of what you say (citations for your previous BS post?), continuously try to derail any conversation with tangents like
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By the way how's KnC's year-long warranty looking now comparatively, seeing as that's your most assured critique?
[which you just pulled out of your backside as my most assured critique (really?!?)] again without addressing the topic at hand.That just has "loser" written all over it. Get a life. You should have found a job by now, instead of posting legal advice you have no clue about.
August 21, 2013, 11:49:19 AM
BTW KS, bitcoinorama has been sending personal messages to discredit you.
When you bust his lies yesterday about why KNC insist on treating their customers as businesses, i.e.
He sent me this message:
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
When you bust his lies yesterday about why KNC insist on treating their customers as businesses, i.e.
KNCMINER is shaving 1 year warranty off of your 2 years consumer warranty by using the "for business use" line.
He sent me this message:
NoDisco, just a heads up, but you may need to search through the KnC thread.
KS is a total troll, he has been proven wrong time and time again. His only intention has been to derail KnC's project from the start, pulling whatever nonsense he can from thin air. Please look through the thread's history. He overtly lies repeatedly.
He has invested over $100k in bulk Avalon assembly hardware alone, aside chips. He's consistently spreading FUD, occasionally it has had merit, but don't let his true intentions deceive you, and have a look through his KnC posting history. He was a rampant troll, and has just come back from a sabbatical now as his chips aren't turning up.
I think him calling someone a rampant troll is the pot calling the kettle black!KS is a total troll, he has been proven wrong time and time again. His only intention has been to derail KnC's project from the start, pulling whatever nonsense he can from thin air. Please look through the thread's history. He overtly lies repeatedly.
He has invested over $100k in bulk Avalon assembly hardware alone, aside chips. He's consistently spreading FUD, occasionally it has had merit, but don't let his true intentions deceive you, and have a look through his KnC posting history. He was a rampant troll, and has just come back from a sabbatical now as his chips aren't turning up.
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
I won't even bother picking the PM apart, so full of FAIL it is. Just feel free to validate his comments by using the search button, it's all there in the forums. See if anything he says stands. LMAO
Do it.
Bust what lies? I haven't told any.
http://youtu.be/JoqDYcCDOTg
By the way how's KnC's year-long warranty looking now comparatively, seeing as that's your most assured critique?
August 21, 2013, 09:44:25 AM
Orama does have a point.
His largest detractors have lots to lose if KnC is successful.
Let us look at their motivations, too.
His largest detractors have lots to lose if KnC is successful.
Let us look at their motivations, too.
August 21, 2013, 08:39:15 AM
BTW KS, bitcoinorama has been sending personal messages to discredit you.
When you bust his lies yesterday about why KNC insist on treating their customers as businesses, i.e.
He sent me this message:
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
When you bust his lies yesterday about why KNC insist on treating their customers as businesses, i.e.
KNCMINER is shaving 1 year warranty off of your 2 years consumer warranty by using the "for business use" line.
He sent me this message:
NoDisco, just a heads up, but you may need to search through the KnC thread.
KS is a total troll, he has been proven wrong time and time again. His only intention has been to derail KnC's project from the start, pulling whatever nonsense he can from thin air. Please look through the thread's history. He overtly lies repeatedly.
He has invested over $100k in bulk Avalon assembly hardware alone, aside chips. He's consistently spreading FUD, occasionally it has had merit, but don't let his true intentions deceive you, and have a look through his KnC posting history. He was a rampant troll, and has just come back from a sabbatical now as his chips aren't turning up.
I think him calling someone a rampant troll is the pot calling the kettle black!KS is a total troll, he has been proven wrong time and time again. His only intention has been to derail KnC's project from the start, pulling whatever nonsense he can from thin air. Please look through the thread's history. He overtly lies repeatedly.
He has invested over $100k in bulk Avalon assembly hardware alone, aside chips. He's consistently spreading FUD, occasionally it has had merit, but don't let his true intentions deceive you, and have a look through his KnC posting history. He was a rampant troll, and has just come back from a sabbatical now as his chips aren't turning up.
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
I won't even bother picking the PM apart, so full of FAIL it is. Just feel free to validate his comments by using the search button, it's all there in the forums. See if anything he says stands. LMAO
August 20, 2013, 09:20:24 PM
Bitcoinorama--I'm just as pro-KNC as you are, and it's been painful watching you twist in the wind. I think you're like a lightning bolt for shill-accusations at this point
If it were me, I wouldn't argue with the detractors as much; I've seen you attract antagony that way. Meh. After Avalon refunded me and no one else practically painting 'shill' on my forehead I'm not eager to overplay my hand in the KNC thread.
Your advocacy didn't affect my purchase much though, I verified a lot of it right alongside you. Though afaik you're the only one who visited KNC who actually did a write-up and that was very useful and the most info we've gotten from them at one pass.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious 'Orama isn't a shill, but because 'Orama is bothered by the accusation I think they keep it up. Water off a duck's back, yo.
If it were me, I wouldn't argue with the detractors as much; I've seen you attract antagony that way. Meh. After Avalon refunded me and no one else practically painting 'shill' on my forehead I'm not eager to overplay my hand in the KNC thread.
Your advocacy didn't affect my purchase much though, I verified a lot of it right alongside you. Though afaik you're the only one who visited KNC who actually did a write-up and that was very useful and the most info we've gotten from them at one pass.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious 'Orama isn't a shill, but because 'Orama is bothered by the accusation I think they keep it up. Water off a duck's back, yo.
August 20, 2013, 08:11:25 PM
"Blah blah, look what he said about you in a PM, blah blah.
Anyway, I'll leave the forum (more blah, ad nauseam)
Anyway, I'll leave the forum (more blah, ad nauseam)
August 20, 2013, 12:21:36 PM
I'm done talking about him completely now.
I was about to say "Praise the Lawd!", but then I realized you were in fact lying.
August 20, 2013, 10:08:22 AM
BTW KS, bitcoinorama has been sending personal messages to discredit you.
When you bust his lies yesterday about why KNC insist on treating their customers as businesses, i.e.
He sent me this message:
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
When you bust his lies yesterday about why KNC insist on treating their customers as businesses, i.e.
KNCMINER is shaving 1 year warranty off of your 2 years consumer warranty by using the "for business use" line.
He sent me this message:
NoDisco, just a heads up, but you may need to search through the KnC thread.
KS is a total troll, he has been proven wrong time and time again. His only intention has been to derail KnC's project from the start, pulling whatever nonsense he can from thin air. Please look through the thread's history. He overtly lies repeatedly.
He has invested over $100k in bulk Avalon assembly hardware alone, aside chips. He's consistently spreading FUD, occasionally it has had merit, but don't let his true intentions deceive you, and have a look through his KnC posting history. He was a rampant troll, and has just come back from a sabbatical now as his chips aren't turning up.
I think him calling someone a rampant troll is the pot calling the kettle black!KS is a total troll, he has been proven wrong time and time again. His only intention has been to derail KnC's project from the start, pulling whatever nonsense he can from thin air. Please look through the thread's history. He overtly lies repeatedly.
He has invested over $100k in bulk Avalon assembly hardware alone, aside chips. He's consistently spreading FUD, occasionally it has had merit, but don't let his true intentions deceive you, and have a look through his KnC posting history. He was a rampant troll, and has just come back from a sabbatical now as his chips aren't turning up.
Anyway, I'll leave the forum. I came here naively seeking genuine answers about miners and what not. I had some really good advice from people when I asked about miner security. But it seems it's impossible to get any straight answers on this forum where people have vested interests.
Too many nutters, trolls and out and out liars. I might as well ask my elderly grandmother and get just as good answers.
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