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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 13, 2013, 07:33:40 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 07:27:30 PM

I am tired of the shill debate. Shills usually are NOT hot babes anymore. That ended in the 60s. They are still used in vegas casinos and there is STILL a law where you can ask (and the dealer MUST tell you) if there are any casino employees at the table. It is still a Nevada Gaming commission law. Ever wonder how you get a whale into playing high stakes BJ etc when all the tables are empty? You don't.
Perhaps, I should change my post title to "Why right after the owners of KnC disappear from posting, does Bitcoinorama appear?" Or "Why does VBS appear and then Ken Slaughter stops posting at a prolific rate"?
Or "Why does evorhees all of a sudden start posting defending the merits of a security when he could not even bother to post anything about satoshi dice while he had shareholders?"

You really do look for conspiarcy wayy too deep dude. My posting has zero of anything to do with whenever KnC post. I'm 1,200 miles, and an hour behind them...

I think I have made the point I wanted to and I hope you have heard it. Just stop posting HUGELY long posts all over the place so that old guys like me can read the threads easier. That is all I ask. And when you reply for the 5th time to a post of your own that has an entire WSJ article in it, please delete all the crap so we can just read the one liner that is being added.
Thanks. And for god's sake and your personal sanity, go ride your bike. You are spending 6 hours a day on average on this forum, seven days a week. The only other people as dedicated as you to this forum work for the NSA, IRS and SEC and are being paid to be here 8 hours a day.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 07:27:30 PM

I am tired of the shill debate. Shills usually are NOT hot babes anymore. That ended in the 60s. They are still used in vegas casinos and there is STILL a law where you can ask (and the dealer MUST tell you) if there are any casino employees at the table. It is still a Nevada Gaming commission law. Ever wonder how you get a whale into playing high stakes BJ etc when all the tables are empty? You don't.
Perhaps, I should change my post title to "Why right after the owners of KnC disappear from posting, does Bitcoinorama appear?" Or "Why does VBS appear and then Ken Slaughter stops posting at a prolific rate"?
Or "Why does evorhees all of a sudden start posting defending the merits of a security when he could not even bother to post anything about satoshi dice while he had shareholders?"

You really do look for conspiarcy wayy too deep dude. My posting has zero of anything to do with whenever KnC post. I'm 1,200 miles, and an hour behind them...

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Quote from: McGyver on August 13, 2013, 07:21:29 PM

Quote from: CoinHoarder on August 13, 2013, 06:56:30 PM

There is no right or wrong way to use the word shill (or any other word for that matter) as long as it's in the dictionary. Grin

No, it's actually the other way round...

FIRST a word appears in live language (usually it starts in some specific environment: region, age group, subculture, etc.) and THEN this new word (or its new meaning) is racognised and acknowledged by dictionaries (after discussion among experts, where some of them would typically discourage the new word or its new use). But the key point there is that language is LIVE rather than dictated upon us by dictionaries! And if the word becomes massively used even its strongest oppnents must eventually accept and acknowledge it. The same goes with Bitcoin!

I agree with you, but perhaps I worded my sentence wrong. I think this is better: According to English teachers, there is no right or wrong way to use the word shill (or any other word for that matter) as long as it's in the dictionary.

If you think you can turn in a paper for English class filled with slang and improper usage of words (usage that is not in a dictionary somewhere), then you might be receiving a F. Wink

Although there are a lot of slang words which many people use every day, it is still considered improper English to use these words- at least in academia.

And yes, I am growing tired of the shill debate as well. Let's just let this thread die peacefully. Cheesy

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I am tired of the shill debate. Shills usually are NOT hot babes anymore. That ended in the 60s. They are still used in vegas casinos and there is STILL a law where you can ask (and the dealer MUST tell you) if there are any casino employees at the table. It is still a Nevada Gaming commission law. Ever wonder how you get a whale into playing high stakes BJ etc when all the tables are empty? You don't.
Perhaps, I should change my post title to "Why right after the owners of KnC disappear from posting, does Bitcoinorama appear?" Or "Why does VBS appear and then Ken Slaughter stops posting at a prolific rate"?
Or "Why does evorhees all of a sudden start posting defending the merits of a security when he could not even bother to post anything about satoshi dice while he had shareholders?"

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Quote from: CoinHoarder on August 13, 2013, 06:56:30 PM

There is no right or wrong way to use the word shill (or any other word for that matter) as long as it's in the dictionary. Grin

No, it's actually the other way round...

FIRST a word appears in live language (usually it starts in some specific environment: region, age/social group, subculture, etc.) and THEN this new word (or its new meaning) is recognised and acknowledged by dictionaries (after discussion among experts, where some of them would typically discourage the new word or its new use). But the key point there is that language is LIVE, rather than dictated upon us by dictionaries! And if the word becomes massively used, even its strongest opponents eventually have to accept and acknowledge it. The same goes with Bitcoin!

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Bitcoinorama,

I'm not trying to harp on you anymore. I actually feel kind of bad for you for all the flack you are getting, I didn't mean for it to be this big of a deal. However, I didn't make this thread either...

But, Merriam-Webster's actual website has different definitions than the one you posted. Perhaps the secondary site you linked to is outdated or just from a different dictionary? I dunno. Anyways, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

Again, you can use the word however you'd like as long as it's in a dictionary somewhere. I agree that the definition you posted would also be another use of the word shill.

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Quote from: augustocroppo on August 13, 2013, 07:05:11 PM

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Beautiful woman, but this have nothing to do with the present discussion.

You see, you show that you cannot cope with serious discussions. You fail to keep on track. At every opportunity you derail the topic where you participate.

This remind me of the old forum participant, Rarity, which got banned months ago.

Like you, Rarity could not stop to twist the discussions which she participated, no matter what reasonable argument was put against her. It became unbearable at certain point, that she had to be banned to a certain order be restored in the forum.

You are coming near at that point, I am really sure.

It happened before with Rarity and others alike, it will happen with you, soon or later.

Auggusto if you gave a shit about the thread, and other people at all; instead of running in and rambling on about something none of us know anything about, read the comment before yours, Loredo's, the thing you ignored; has everything to do with a hot blonde in a lil' black dress, and was quite witty. Moreso since we now know MinorMinor hates images in threads, which is amusing as he started a thread having a dig at me. Tongue

Seeing as everyone here harps on about Merriam Webster being the gospel of linguistics, here's her definition of a Shill;

shill /ˈʃɪl/ verb
shills; shilled; shill·ing
[no obj] US, informal + disapproving : to talk about or describe someone or something in a favorable way because you are being paid to do it — often + for ▪ celebrities shilling for politicians
— shill noun, plural shills [count]
▪ He's just a political shill.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/shill

Which I'm not.

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Quote from: augustocroppo on August 13, 2013, 07:05:11 PM

Beautiful woman, but this have nothing to do with the present discussion.

You see, you show that you cannot cope with serious discussions. You fail to keep on track. At every opportunity you derail the topic where you participate.

This remind me of the old forum participant, Rarity, which got banned months ago.

Like you, Rarity could not stop to twist the discussions which she participated, no matter what reasonable argument was put against her. It became unbearable at certain point, that she had to be banned to a certain order be restored in the forum.

You are coming near at that point, I am really sure.

It happened before with Rarity and others alike, it will happen with you, soon or later.

Pardon me, but how can you NOT derail such a thread? Roll Eyes

We are (generally speaking) simply overwhelmed by the quality of the arguments presented here, supporting the topic at hand...

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Beautiful woman, but this have nothing to do with the present discussion.

You see, you show that you cannot cope with serious discussions. You fail to keep on track. At every opportunity you derail the topic where you participate.

This remind me of the old forum participant, Rarity, which got banned months ago.

Like you, Rarity could not stop to twist the discussions which she participated, no matter what reasonable argument was put against her. It became unbearable at certain point, that she had to be banned to a certain order be restored in the forum.

You are coming near at that point, I am really sure.

It happened before with Rarity and others alike, it will happen with you, soon or later.

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People don't seem to realize that one word can have many definitions.

There is no right or wrong way to use the word shill (or any other word for that matter) as long as it's in the dictionary. Grin

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Quote from: ASICMining on August 13, 2013, 06:12:01 PM

Keep up the good work Bitcoinorama.

Excuse me, but who are you? Another sock puppet?

Huh

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Quote from: 2112 on August 13, 2013, 12:23:03 PM

One of the very few places that still define the word shill is Nevada Gaming ~~Commission~~ Control Board:

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Card game shill: An employee engaged and financed by the licensee as a player for the purpose of starting and/or maintaining a sufficient number of players in a card game.

Interesting. I just related the other night (Sunday) while some posters were basically "shooting the shit" in some thread or other how, thanks to an associates' relative, I had a dinner companion one night in Vegas who was a professional blackjack shill, who exactly fit that definition.

So, while whenever I read the word "shill," I'm doomed to think back to a skinny blonde in a black dress. On the other hand, I love the term "sock puppet". I guess it, really, means someone who is using multiple posting identities. But I define it as anyone who hides his true allegiance and/or vested agenda. Whether that's right or wrong.

Besides, when I think of that word, I think of Muppet characters. And that makes me think of grand kids, and that's a lot healthier, all in all, than blondes in black dresses.

Under these definitions, I don't consider Bc'orama either a shill or a sock puppet. If we need to slam him with a derogatory term at all, I'd pick simply "fan boy."

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Quote from: MrHempstock on August 13, 2013, 06:15:39 PM

Now "Shill" is tied for "FUD" as the most misused word on these boards.

perfect example of useless pollution on boards with stupid pictures. Grow up.

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"Don't worry. My career died after Batman, too."

Now "Shill" is tied for "FUD" as the most misused word on these boards.

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To Bitcoinorama's defense, he has been forthright and helpful to this forum, and this is no way to treat a person who you have merely speculative accusations about due to him seeming to be "too helpful." It's always easy to cast the first stone, but, with due diligence you would see the same things he has seen.

Rather than calling him a shill, why don't you go validate or de-validate his claims before you start calling him out. You are attempting to discredit him for being "Helpful" and "promoting" something he has a vested interest in from a consumer level. So what if he is excited about KNC? That does not make him anything but an eager and excited customer of theirs.

On the opposing end, I don't agree with all of his posts and reviews of companies. He has called some into question and made bold statements without having done the same diligence he's done on KNC. For example his posts thrashing Cloudhashing, which is one of KNC's largest customers, is a bit ironic, but he is certainly attempting to bring the level of 'awareness' to a higher level here and that is admirable.

Keep up the good work Bitcoinorama.

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You only have to hit F5 key on the Custom Hardware page to know that there is an abundance of posts in the sub-forum, and not really any new information, mostly people speculating and/or complaining about various things that are changing slowly, until...... some genuinely novel/useful piece of information comes along, then the churn goes into overdrive as the real miners and the shills re-aling themselves around the latest changing of the landscape. It's the biggest cess-pool on the whole of bitcointalk, at that's really saying something. The desperation and poor behaviour, from shills and miners alike, stinks like a corpse. I am all too guilty of this.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 13, 2013, 03:29:30 PM

The only "milestone" that I know they have missed is the one kano is pointing out. This is not about whether they are legit or not (time will tell us that), it is about how on MANY hardware forums, we constantly hear from the actual owners, then people ask tough questions, then incredibly passionate "independent" parties start posting like mad AND THEN the founders seem to disappear. Go read through a few of the threads, you will see the pattern. Yifu was NEVER too busy to answer the 200 tickets that had piled up (we all know now that he just does not give a shit). No one is too busy during the 90 days after tape out before they get their chips to update 10 minutes a week. Friedcat is proof of this.

True, but Friedcat had the luxury of development time on his side, there's not much that can be said with companies that aim to manufacture essentially prototypes from the moment they first lay their hands on their chips. This 28nm lot are really racing flat out to produce anything, unnervingly a few want you to risk your funds on their development promises. No thanks.

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The only "milestone" that I know they have missed is the one kano is pointing out. This is not about whether they are legit or not (time will tell us that), it is about how on MANY hardware forums, we constantly hear from the actual owners, then people ask tough questions, then incredibly passionate "independent" parties start posting like mad AND THEN the founders seem to disappear. Go read through a few of the threads, you will see the pattern. Yifu was NEVER too busy to answer the 200 tickets that had piled up (we all know now that he just does not give a shit). No one is too busy during the 90 days after tape out before they get their chips to update 10 minutes a week. Friedcat is proof of this.

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Could someone list for me the milestones and performance targets that KNC has missed?
I seem to have misplaced my "list".

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 13, 2013, 12:21:14 PM

I'm no shill. I've been totally honest about any affiliation.

I visited them in Sweden and asked Q's you guys wanted whilst considering my own purchase and a jolly to Stockholm.

I met other forum members there. They were there before I arrived bag in hand from the airport. I can provide evidence of flights from the UK to Sweden if you're that bothered.

I have studied an engineering discipline and would like to work in Bitcoin, maybe KnC, but I don't want to receive any payment unless they prove they can deliver for the exact reason I don't want to have any responsibly for your own decisions.

I can say KnC are real and exist as I have been there.

I cannot and will not influence your decision making. You are responsible for your own research and due diligence.

I only share my own research, of which a lot is clearly KnC based as they are work in progress for me and I now have a vested interest.

By that statement I could also be a shill for Visa, Mcard and all card issuers!?

I don't want to see companies fail, I'm just fed up of seeing people ripped off. I believe Hashfast are real, I believe Cointerra are real. I haven't behaved maliciously towards them, but there is a long way to go before they offer people a safe and secure purchase.

Have you ever seen me say anything, anything but positive comments towards Bitfury? I'm in awe of that guy and his distribution means except card.

As for the date I joined, you're looking for reasons to throw accusations. Look at my posting history. I spent a significant amount of time in other threads before KnC were even on my radar.

It's cool to be inquisitive or uncertain, but don't jump to conclusions. I've a specific checklist of what O look for before committing to a purchase and BTC has been abused as a pre-order payment method. Fact.

I only read half this post, and I'm sorry to say...wait for it...+1.

I was rather critical of KnC and Bitcoinorama at the beginning, but not so much now. But, please keep a watchful eye on them, acting in the most professional manner as possible, while I go and stick it up BFL's ass. Grin

Oh, and BTW, did I read somewhere that some outfit has chips tied up in custom.

Yes I did notice the love story between you and BFL, Josh must miss you so much when you do not post something about them hahahahahha

You make my dick so hard when you whisper Josh in my ear. Kiss

Standard Josh or Josh with clown nose??

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