Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! - page 21.

SebastianJu

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Quote from: kingaltcoins on January 31, 2016, 01:44:16 AM

I think Bitpop is doing a great job nowadays and all his escrows are done securely on Bitrated.
So he can be included on Big 5.
Or you may add a pole to this thread to see who votes whom.

In general it will be nicer if every escrowers start escrowing through multi-signature bitcoin addresses.
That way no scams can be possible.

Though multi-sig needs a bit of knowledge for the trading partners too and most want to avoid that.

In all this time i was asked for this so seldom that it never came to the point that it was used. I take part in discussions about this but the reality simply is that demand seems so low that at the end no trading partner is interested.

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Quote from: -XXIII- on January 30, 2016, 03:39:34 PM

Hey, I have a question for the more reputable escrow providers:

What implications, if any, would arise from including one of you as a co-signer for keysCrow (see sig)? It would allow for ~~2-of-4 and 2-of-5~~ edit: 2-of-N is insecure, I realize now. But, the users could still choose their arbiter and use their public key in the multisig addresses, while still allowing minimal intervention from any of the co-signers. All we would need is your P2SH public key.

Let me know what you think, I'm strongly considering asking someone or two.

Grtthegreat was discussing such an escrow network on this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/multi-sig-escrow-networks-2-of-345-network-a-proposal-1308670

Including all the implications.

And someone was asking me if i would want to offer my escrow service on another platform.

The problem with other websites is that it is an additional layer you have to trust. And the escrow most probably takes the highest risk, since when the website scams it is not far fetched that the traders might try to get his coins back from the escrow.

What i mean, a secure communication is needed. But even when there is a way to communicate encrypted on that site only to establish a trade... how can an escrow really be sure that the encryption is safe? That it is impossible to change the content written or impersonate the escrow.

-XXIII-

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Quote from: BitNow on February 01, 2016, 12:45:46 PM

How exactly do you use the PGP key to prove that you are talking to the right person?

Could you post a Guide or a link to a Guide for proving identity from a PGP key?

I know you can sign Bitcoin addresses: could you sign a bitcoin address with a PGP, if so: how?

Thank You.

Best regards.

For linux:

This will sign

Code:

$ echo "test" | gpg -u XXIII --clearsign

You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
user: "XXIII (crowedwg2kbyeyhs.onion) "
4096-bit RSA key, ID 6281206B, created 2016-01-22

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

test
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
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=L5fS
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

You can verify a signature like so;

Code:

$ echo "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> test
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1
> 
> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWr+yNAAoJEI3wdmBigSBrnvMQAIuhoYHgv4QvSy4J1IIEv6Dh
> eYeSNj6TBNs7SFiEMvkgpkeWXrXSl4oZodsxc22xvsT2S7Ynr+s8Md5uhrZ7rJ1b
> gi6WIKyMpiEoPa8peNXYpaD6K7o/j3zBLCRbrFF0AxtcVrvERORxnaBxW0ELY9Hy
> u1T+NYmwx49cSWMj26CFyi3S7Hg2cHoO+zOrG90qCcPj4hIPyXCYxzyId/ZzJJvx
> E922c5bmuVOvhqpYz+M4ME8By0hYocvghwnHd/3i5XnkMnQ0TtVkir0kmiWsuz02
> kdEIjM4sMCLV4OU+V/pBsvZftMCCKCkk+1IDeAp8dzoYPYYGN9+ZvmD4eidGn7SC
> g0LCsk8NHUPBJpKI5EnnqOzQjIIBbaeCILHf6jntk20ZBYbs3YzfNxoZyAzDn/pB
> b9qnMCsZctKCqI6xss3UnAykvqXdgCdStdF0+EECrTwCrMz/8mrVuNvqU4JRDbAu
> 3P0vR+Y9zA3H+087xgxxE89mgE9Kyoccut1LhTx4ex27ZgcYa2nM+gS+k+e7yVYg
> gOJTfNmN1769iwmNl7JVPJo3wbVoZiE47CiLDAeETdDv4Tde39iRGEES06X7xC7Q
> J8ZghDgZJ3dem79jlhaRgyuHBb/lL81ZIe8KkSDNi+jhoIWrDXY7VFHQmZK9LTO7
> hLg4QOwDAquDOxOp2USj
> =L5fS
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> " | gpg --verify
gpg: Signature made Mon 01 Feb 2016 07:38:53 PM AST using RSA key ID 6281206B
gpg: Good signature from "XXIII (crowedwg2kbyeyhs.onion) "

For a more in depth guide, check out: https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/book1.html

bitpop

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Quote from: BitNow on February 01, 2016, 12:45:46 PM

How exactly do you use the PGP key to prove that you are talking to the right person?

Could you post a Guide or a link to a Guide for proving identity from a PGP key?

I know you can sign Bitcoin addresses: could you sign a bitcoin address with a PGP, if so: how?

Thank You.

Best regards.

Before you begin, understand that the pgp key must be aged. No one verifies it. Only time does. Anyone can make one that says bitpop today.

BitNow

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How exactly do you use the PGP key to prove that you are talking to the right person?

Could you post a Guide or a link to a Guide for proving identity from a PGP key?

I know you can sign Bitcoin addresses: could you sign a bitcoin address with a PGP, if so: how?

Thank You.

Best regards.

mexxer-2

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Quote from: Blazed on January 31, 2016, 07:39:01 PM

Also last time I spoke with TomatoCage (few days back) he said he was busy these days and not active here. So really we have the Big 2 currently.

That and his sig has been updated, seems he is temporarily closing his escrow service. Might wanna update the OP, marco.

Mitchell

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I vote for SebastianJu and PsychoticBoy (started at 17 January 2014, 12:50:48).

Blazed

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Also last time I spoke with TomatoCage (few days back) he said he was busy these days and not active here. So really we have the Big 2 currently.

mexxer-2

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Quote from: marcotheminer on January 30, 2016, 06:51:09 AM

I've updated the list with a 'BIG 3'.

Who would you choose as the other 2 escrows to make it the 'BIG 5' once again?

Just stating some stats to make it easier to choose

1) Highest online time:

bitpop- 843 days, 17 hours and 45 minutes
SebastianJu- 156 days, 16 hours and 25 minutes.
PsychoticBoy- 111 days, 7 hours and 55 minutes.
Blazr- 76 days, 10 hours and 36 minutes
Anon136 - 72 days, 12 hours and 21 minutes
Dabs- 59 days, 12 hours and 35 minutes
TwinWinnerD- 70 days, 13 hours and 54 minutes.

2) Trust rating(Number of feedbacks from DT members):

PsychoticBoy- 12
SebastianJu- 11
TwinWinnerD- 4
Dabs- 4
Blazr- 3
lyth0s - 2
Bitpop- 1

3) Time since they ran their service:

Not quite sure, feel free to fill this one but I believe Dabs was quite ahead there.

4) Last active(reference as to how active they are)(A random time as to make the list better):

SebastianJu: Yesterday, 07:14:25 PM
TwinWinner- Today, 12:57:44 AM
bitpop- Today, 12:10:28 PM
lyth0s- Today , 04:51:21 AM
PsychoticBoy- January 27, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Blazr- November 03, 2015, 07:03:15 PM

kingaltcoins

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I think Bitpop is doing a great job nowadays and all his escrows are done securely on Bitrated.
So he can be included on Big 5.
Or you may add a pole to this thread to see who votes whom.

In general it will be nicer if every escrowers start escrowing through multi-signature bitcoin addresses.
That way no scams can be possible.

steveds

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 30, 2016, 07:29:08 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 30, 2016, 06:51:09 AM

I've updated the list with a 'BIG 3'.

Who would you choose as the other 2 escrows to make it the 'BIG 5' once again?

SebastianJu and obviously Dabs.

I don't think dabs could be of any use cause the type of service he is offering is pretty professional and is not attractive/required to the forum people anymore as the typical trades are for less than half a coin and wont be willing to pay 0.03 escrow fees.

bitpop

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Quote from: -XXIII- on January 30, 2016, 03:39:34 PM

Hey, I have a question for the more reputable escrow providers:

What implications, if any, would arise from including one of you as a co-signer for keysCrow (see sig)? It would allow for 2-of-4 and 2-of-5 multisig addresses, while still allowing minimal intervention from any of the co-signers. All we would need is your P2SH public key.

Let me know what you think, I'm strongly considering asking someone or two.

An anonymous bitrated would be cool

-XXIII-

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Hey, I have a question for the more reputable escrow providers:

What implications, if any, would arise from including one of you as a co-signer for keysCrow (see sig)? It would allow for ~~2-of-4 and 2-of-5~~ edit: 2-of-N is insecure, I realize now. But, the users could still choose their arbiter and use their public key in the multisig addresses, while still allowing minimal intervention from any of the co-signers. All we would need is your P2SH public key.

Let me know what you think, I'm strongly considering asking someone or two.

ezeminer

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 30, 2016, 07:29:08 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 30, 2016, 06:51:09 AM

I've updated the list with a 'BIG 3'.

Who would you choose as the other 2 escrows to make it the 'BIG 5' once again?

SebastianJu and obviously Dabs.

I would agree with these choices for the BIG 5

redsn0w

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Quote from: marcotheminer on January 30, 2016, 06:51:09 AM

I've updated the list with a 'BIG 3'.

Who would you choose as the other 2 escrows to make it the 'BIG 5' once again?

SebastianJu and obviously Dabs.

marcotheminer

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┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴

I've updated the list with a 'BIG 3'.

Who would you choose as the other 2 escrows to make it the 'BIG 5' once again?

tommygunyeah

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devthedev is no longer in business. It should be updated in the OP! THanks!

Dabs

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Quote from: isvicre on January 29, 2016, 10:06:42 PM

If you want to remain your name clear you wouldn't offer big escrow anyway. People come to you because you are trusted member in community.

That doesn't make sense to me. I offer escrow, big or small. Anyway. The second statement is true though. For everyone on the list.

isvicre

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Ok, people who thought that post offensive can ignore my message. I believe that way and I can't change it. The one who equalize participating a signature campaign with scamming is quite funny though. Just checking escrow scams happened past in this forum.
If you want to remain your name clear you wouldn't offer big escrow anyway. People come to you because you are trusted member in community. Just like OgNasty, theymos and some other staff etc.

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