as the big 5 are only 4 actually, i suggest to move sebastianju up to it
You mean only 3 since dev has retired - he is just not removed yet.
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You mean only 3 since dev has retired - he is just not removed yet.
as the big 5 are only 4 actually, i suggest to move sebastianju up to it
We're hurt the most by the ones closest to us.
Scammers scam all day on here for petty cash, it's easy to spot them. The worst is when the act is taken on by a trusted user with an established following. It's an unfortunate side-effect of free-will coupled with immoral influence. We see this happen all the time by corporations. The only difference being they're incorporated, almost faceless, but here it's much more personal.
Scammers scam all day on here for petty cash, it's easy to spot them. The worst is when the act is taken on by a trusted user with an established following. It's an unfortunate side-effect of free-will coupled with immoral influence. We see this happen all the time by corporations. The only difference being they're incorporated, almost faceless, but here it's much more personal.
I'm not sure you thought your statement through isvicre and i hope you don't judge from yourself on others. I surely have no price. Maybe others can live happily after scamming others but i certainly would not be able to.
You just have to hope that people actually have morals. Sure there have been cases like master-p, but many are here to help build the Bitcoin community. And that's what we should work towards, a trusted community. I hate all these shill scamming accounts I see. I made the mistake of endorsing a guy that ran off with 0.05 of another guy's money. Guess I should stay away from digital goods..
Maybe make more joke posts as an "EDU" to sections of the forum, like this one:
[Investor-Based-Game] LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY TODAY! FOR FREE!
Yes there are a lot honest people on bitcointalk. Unfortunately i think the amount of dishonest people are even higher than in an average group of people. So unbelieveable many scam attempts. Really a pity.
Though at the end it's like learning for life on here. It's a bit faster here than in normal life. Hopefully many can learn from the errors of others and don't have to learn it the hard way.
I'm not sure you thought your statement through isvicre and i hope you don't judge from yourself on others. I surely have no price. Maybe others can live happily after scamming others but i certainly would not be able to.
You just have to hope that people actually have morals. Sure there have been cases like master-p, but many are here to help build the Bitcoin community. And that's what we should work towards, a trusted community. I hate all these shill scamming accounts I see. I made the mistake of endorsing a guy that ran off with 0.05 of another guy's money. Guess I should stay away from digital goods..
Maybe make more joke posts as an "EDU" to sections of the forum, like this one:
[Investor-Based-Game] LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY TODAY! FOR FREE!
I'm not sure you thought your statement through isvicre and i hope you don't judge from yourself on others. I surely have no price. Maybe others can live happily after scamming others but i certainly would not be able to.
Can anyone from trusted members can hold bitcoins untill I'll get a shipment?I need that shipment as soon as possible so I need an escrow and I'm ready to pay higher fee than you ask but escrow has to be from trusted list.If someone interested text me private message.
Normal procedure is that you and the seller agree on what escrow to use.
Take a look at post #1 in this thread, this list can be used as a starting point.
When you have agreed on who to use, then do you contact the escrow.
Both seller and buyer has to agree on what escrow to use.
Can anyone from trusted members can hold bitcoins untill I'll get a shipment?I need that shipment as soon as possible so I need an escrow and I'm ready to pay higher fee than you ask but escrow has to be from trusted list.If someone interested text me private message.
I don't have a price. Low amounts aren't worth hurting the community I've spent years in and large amounts are stupid. I wouldn't want law enforcement after me or people trying to kill me. I just want to relax with no one after me.
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Everybody else has a price here.
Everybody else has a price here.
...and your price isvicre is the low LOW up to 0.12 BTC/month
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Everybody else has a price here.
That is quite offensive... Not everyone is a greedy, money grabbing, piece of shit. 
Everybody else has a price here.
As a former member of the big five, I take offense to that statement. I don't have a price.But, you could be correct, just that the price for some is too high. Or rather, the big enough amount will never be reached. Or I don't know what my price is, but it's higher than 5 million bitcoins.
"The 'BIG 5' will be the most trustworthy, but at all times ensure you are talking to the right person and if possible, verify their PGP signature."
LOL! The big 5 is going down to 4. You should update it and write a warning that even Big 5 can scam if the amount is big enough.
I wouldn't trust anybody but OgNasty from this list. Everybody else has a price here.
LOL! The big 5 is going down to 4. You should update it and write a warning that even Big 5 can scam if the amount is big enough.
I wouldn't trust anybody but OgNasty from this list. Everybody else has a price here.
I left the Big 5 and so has devthedev...the big 3 now lol.
"The 'BIG 5' will be the most trustworthy, but at all times ensure you are talking to the right person and if possible, verify their PGP signature."
LOL! The big 5 is going down to 4. You should update it and write a warning that even Big 5 can scam if the amount is big enough.
I wouldn't trust anybody but OgNasty from this list. (Almost, since a lot of people find this offensive) Everybody else has a price here.
LOL! The big 5 is going down to 4. You should update it and write a warning that even Big 5 can scam if the amount is big enough.
I wouldn't trust anybody but OgNasty from this list. (Almost, since a lot of people find this offensive) Everybody else has a price here.
why no one charges a fixed amount of money? lets say 10$ per transaction or something?
Because it would mean not accepting smaller trades, because you are too expensive, if you would do it for less at all of course. And when it comes to high amounts, would you take one million usd in escrow just for 10USD fee? The risk is way way too high to make sense out of this. So a fixed fee is disadvantageous in both ways.
why no one charges a fixed amount of money? lets say 10$ per transaction or something?
OgNasty is the only really active one of the remaining 3. To me it feels like trading on this forum has slowed down a lot anyways. Most of the people trading physical coins here have been around so long they all rarely need escrows anymore. I think the neediest are account traders and no one wants to deal with those...
There is a need for signature campaigns ,many other deals in the currency exchange section requires escrow if none of the buyer/seller is untrusted or is new,even people trade altcoins now and then which might require an escrow.Your point is valid only to the older/trusted ones dealing but the typical trades still need one much active and trusted escrow IMO.I agree as it does not really effect me at all. I am sure someone will step up and offer their services. I do not mind escrowing signature campaigns so long as they make the payments and I just hold emergency funds.
The problem with signature campaign escrows is often that escrow doesn't want to be the one making payments (like in your case), but when people want
to start their own escrow services, and don't have the problem in doing the work around payments - they get blasted out until they retreat from the idea.
Well, most campaigns have managers these days. I think most of the managers are trusted enough to handle the weekly payments. Take luckybtc for instance...their manager is relatively unknown and yet handles the payments. My only role is to hold 4BTC in case either the manager or casino stops paying. I see no reason why this setup does not work out well? A newer guy can earn some trust while doing the weekly payments and after a while likely not need someone like me.
Blazed means there is no need to trust the campaign runner when there is a trusted escrow who holds an amount worth at least the probably outstanding payment for the next week. If the campaign doesn't pay for a week then the escrow should get informed and he can ask for stacking up of the escrow funds to calculate in that two payments are missing now. If nothing happens the escrow can tell the manager he has to pay or he will tell the poster to stop promoting. He can pay the poster then from the escrow funds. The risk should be pretty minimal.
OgNasty is the only really active one of the remaining 3. To me it feels like trading on this forum has slowed down a lot anyways. Most of the people trading physical coins here have been around so long they all rarely need escrows anymore. I think the neediest are account traders and no one wants to deal with those...
I started collecting physical coins only recently through Auction and purchasing them directly but I never used an escrow. Most of those physical coin sellers are really trusted in this forum and their reputation higher than the amount at risk. OgNasty is the only really active one of the remaining 3. To me it feels like trading on this forum has slowed down a lot anyways. Most of the people trading physical coins here have been around so long they all rarely need escrows anymore. I think the neediest are account traders and no one wants to deal with those...
There is a need for signature campaigns ,many other deals in the currency exchange section requires escrow if none of the buyer/seller is untrusted or is new,even people trade altcoins now and then which might require an escrow.Your point is valid only to the older/trusted ones dealing but the typical trades still need one much active and trusted escrow IMO.I agree as it does not really effect me at all. I am sure someone will step up and offer their services. I do not mind escrowing signature campaigns so long as they make the payments and I just hold emergency funds.
The problem with signature campaign escrows is often that escrow doesn't want to be the one making payments (like in your case), but when people want
to start their own escrow services, and don't have the problem in doing the work around payments - they get blasted out until they retreat from the idea.
Actually it would be not a big deal to make the payments manually. What the escrow would have to do would be to simply receive the list of bitcoin addresses and the bitcoin amount from the signature campaign runner. Then the escrow can simply have a calc sheet that puts these details into a form that can be used to create a bulk transaction with his wallet. Maybe already adding the negotiated tip transaction to the escrow. Then sending.
No real work after all for the payment.
OgNasty is the only really active one of the remaining 3. To me it feels like trading on this forum has slowed down a lot anyways. Most of the people trading physical coins here have been around so long they all rarely need escrows anymore. I think the neediest are account traders and no one wants to deal with those...
There is a need for signature campaigns ,many other deals in the currency exchange section requires escrow if none of the buyer/seller is untrusted or is new,even people trade altcoins now and then which might require an escrow.Your point is valid only to the older/trusted ones dealing but the typical trades still need one much active and trusted escrow IMO.I agree as it does not really effect me at all. I am sure someone will step up and offer their services. I do not mind escrowing signature campaigns so long as they make the payments and I just hold emergency funds.
It's the easiest way to secure a signature campaign. The advantage to the escrow is less work, disadvantage is less tips. At least the risk is not so very high mostly. I mean not many bitcoins to hold in most cases.
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