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Topic: Bitcointalk Poker Series format discussion - Let's keep them all in one place. (Read 1816 times)

legendary
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As it seems, neither the lottery nor anything else could attract more players, so I guess we should be happy with any (new) players who decide to join any given tournament.

i didn't really think the lottery would attract new players. my hope was that it would keep regulars playing in the second half of the series, as people drop out of contention for the championship.

too bad about the 50 krill chat requirement. that was the old requirement, a year or more ago, before they lowered it to 1. i wonder what caused the change.

i've got a few hundred krill after relatively light low stakes play, so it shouldn't be out of reach for too long @Globb0.

hahaha I put my heart and soul into 1 krill

legendary
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As it seems, neither the lottery nor anything else could attract more players, so I guess we should be happy with any (new) players who decide to join any given tournament.

i didn't really think the lottery would attract new players. my hope was that it would keep regulars playing in the second half of the series, as people drop out of contention for the championship.

too bad about the 50 krill chat requirement. that was the old requirement, a year or more ago, before they lowered it to 1. i wonder what caused the change.

i've got a few hundred krill after relatively light low stakes play, so it shouldn't be out of reach for too long @Globb0.
legendary
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I still think the lottery should just be for the entries, not extra for winning.
Also I cant talk this week it says I need 50 Krill, before it was 1.
Did something change in the settings?
Damn sorry Globbo. Yeah I just checked the SWC chat and they did increase it. Not sure why or why they didn't grandfather older accounts. You should inquire in the SWC thread, maybe they'll hook it up. If I could send you krill I would.
legendary
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Free spirit
I still think the lottery should just be for the entries, not extra for winning.

Also I cant talk this week it says I need 50 Krill, before it was 1.

Did something change in the settings?
legendary
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#birdgang
I am fine with whatever number of participations it will be to qualify, can be 1 as well. When putting up the 5/8, I had in mind that it would be an additional incentive to the lottery to join the tournaments regularly. But the prize pool for small final is actually indeed too low to make that a target-worthy.
As it seems, neither the lottery nor anything else could attract more players, so I guess we should be happy with any (new) players who decide to join any given tournament.
legendary
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the small final isn't huge from an EV standpoint, less than a buy-in. i'm not too worried about it. tbh, i was fine with just requiring 1 qualifier and letting everyone play, vs barring the top 3 from the championship.
Yeah I'm definitely not looking at it from a prizepool perspective just a chance to participate and play. I am as active as I can possibly be in the series and I'm sure there are a few others who might actually want a shot at the prize that may not make 5 tourneys either.

Just a thought, as it was the only thing that sticks out to me with our current format.

legendary
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hey I forgot I wanted to bring this up when the series started. In the future for the small final I would like to see us lower the threshold to participating in 3 or 4 qualifiers to qualify for it.

Personally there will just be some games I can't make which can be up to half of the qualifiers depending on my work schedule. This can already negatively affect my chances of qualifying for the main, and feels sort of like a double whammy. Curious what others think about this.

the 5 game requirement does seem like a little much. i think only 1 was required in the first series.

the small final isn't huge from an EV standpoint, less than a buy-in. i'm not too worried about it. tbh, i was fine with just requiring 1 qualifier and letting everyone play, vs barring the top 3 from the championship.

i see it more as just a one-off private freeroll for fun than anything else, not a serious consideration.

There could be a stipulation where at least one of the games needs to be the final 3 qualifiers if the worry is just about people joining early and stopping once they can't make the finale.

that's fine with me if people think its warranted. my hope is the lottery will take care of that problem.
legendary
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hey I forgot I wanted to bring this up when the series started. In the future for the small final I would like to see us lower the threshold to participating in 3 or 4 qualifiers to qualify for it.

Personally there will just be some games I can't make which can be up to half of the qualifiers depending on my work schedule. This can already negatively affect my chances of qualifying for the main, and feels sort of like a double whammy. Curious what others think about this. There could be a stipulation where at least one of the games needs to be the final 3 qualifiers if the worry is just about people joining early and stopping once they can't make the finale.

legendary
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Hey guys - here we go, series #3 is live and starting on Sunday!  Cool

Series #3 thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/3-bitcointalk-poker-series-005-btc-big-btc-ticket-sponsored-by-swc-poker-5258134

Nb. I really need to edit this thread's op when I get to it...  Shocked
legendary
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i'm in for sunday. like @Steamtyme said, maybe we can get a cash game or something going otherwise.

I did have a thought though on trying to increase traffic, at least in trying to bring over some of their regs. It centers around information on ho0w easy it is to get the password. For instance if someone clicks on the tournament something small about how they just need to register on the forum to get the password. That or "Check to get password" attached to the tournament title. There is a chance that because it is a password protected tournament with the lock symbol some users don't look at it. I'll be playing 2 tournaments tonight and will again encourage people to come play the series.

that's definitely part of it.

it's a tricky issue, being that we need to collect the additional buy-ins from players. i've discussed in the SwC chat a couple times and my impression is those regs just wanna register directly and play. you could give them the password and they would play just for the direct buy-in and prize pool, but i don't sense much interest in the series structure and additional buy-ins. we did manage to get @ceehe on board in the first series, but he mostly dropped out in the second.

Everything will be fine Smiley I have pimped the spreadsheet already to easier keep track of our lottery, so ready to go. I also added some flags, to show the internationality of our series. I might have missed some flags, since I don't know the nationality of all players or the country they live in. If your flag is missing and you want to have it added, just make a peep.

awesome job, looks great. nice touch with the flags. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1694
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#birdgang
Everything will be fine Smiley I have pimped the spreadsheet already to easier keep track of our lottery, so ready to go. I also added some flags, to show the internationality of our series. I might have missed some flags, since I don't know the nationality of all players or the country they live in. If your flag is missing and you want to have it added, just make a peep. And I am not sure about that UK flag tbh, but I think at least one of the regular players is from UK (?).

Not sure, if people like to have those flags there in general, I can delete them again if wanted.
legendary
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I've noticed that SwC_Poker account hasn't logged in since last Friday, they also haven't been very active here on the forum, like two posts in the last two weeks. Maybe they are on vacation or something and it's hard to set up the tournament, i don't know...i'm just speculating here because i have nothing better to do right now.  Grin

Anyway, i just wanted to say that i'm a lock if it starts this Sunday.
legendary
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If there's no tournament are you for some casual tournament with 1mbtc buy in, like in the beginning? Nothing special, maybe Efi or Ty can organize that with SwC? I would play, that can be like warming up for upcoming series?
I would hold off on trying to throw something together quickly just because of this

So sorry to disappoint but start is going to be next Sunday :/

If there is no tournament though we could all meet up in one of the other tournaments they run, or hop onto some cash tables at 1/2 or 5/10.

It just makes me thinkn everythign is in the works and that maybe SWC forgot to add it to the schedule or efialtis forgot to confirm. I'm hoping it pops up today or tomorrow. I also don't want to possibly cause some miscommunication with SWC in regards to the series.

I did have a thought though on trying to increase traffic, at least in trying to bring over some of their regs. It centers around information on ho0w easy it is to get the password. For instance if someone clicks on the tournament something small about how they just need to register on the forum to get the password. That or "Check to get password" attached to the tournament title. There is a chance that because it is a password protected tournament with the lock symbol some users don't look at it. I'll be playing 2 tournaments tonight and will again encourage people to come play the series.

I'm also offering up assisting with picking up any of the slack if you need efialtis. I don't mind doing any of the go between or confirmation/information gathering to assist in keeping the series tournaments running smoothly.

legendary
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i hope we get an update soon! announcing the series last minute won't exactly boost turnout for the first qualifier. the sunday game (if it's being played) is less than 4 days out at this point.

Maybe we can do a headcount here to estimate the number participants?

If we are playing this Sunday, I'm in. Let's hear from others.

Also, I think it wouldn't hurt if a PM was sent to everybody who participated at least once in the previous Bitcontalk Poker Tournaments, saying to them that we are going to have another one.

Some of us didn't miss a game, and we will try to play all future ones! I am definitely in, and I wait for announcement every day! It's one of the first things I check every morning, and a few times per day.
The Sunday game is less than 3 days, and I am slowly losing hope that tournament will start this week! If there's no tournament are you for some casual tournament with 1mbtc buy in, like in the beginning? Nothing special, maybe Efi or Ty can organize that with SwC? I would play, that can be like warming up for upcoming series?
legendary
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I stand with Ukraine.
i hope we get an update soon! announcing the series last minute won't exactly boost turnout for the first qualifier. the sunday game (if it's being played) is less than 4 days out at this point.

Maybe we can do a headcount here to estimate the number participants?

If we are playing this Sunday, I'm in. Let's hear from others.

Also, I think it wouldn't hurt if a PM was sent to everybody who participated at least once in the previous Bitcontalk Poker Tournaments, saying to them that we are going to have another one.
legendary
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i hope we get an update soon! announcing the series last minute won't exactly boost turnout for the first qualifier. the sunday game (if it's being played) is less than 4 days out at this point.
legendary
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Series #1 had 26 players per tournament on average, which would have resulted in 41,600 chips lottery pool and 5 prizes á 8,320 chips. Series #2 had only ~18 players on average then. My guess is, that we will have something inbetween for Series #3, but hope for more.

I am hoping you are right and all the regulars will remain for this 3rd series. 18 players - 2 full tables are about as low as it can get and still be fun. I am a bit afraid that we will lose more people than attract going forward but hopefully we managed to stop the exodus by playing just one instead of 2 tournaments per week. Time will tell, can't wait for the series to start Smiley
legendary
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#birdgang
I hope for that too. What's needed is around 35 participants playing most of the games, or 25 playing all the qualifiers. I think it looks realistic.

Series #1 had 26 players per tournament on average, which would have resulted in 41,600 chips lottery pool and 5 prizes á 8,320 chips. Series #2 had only ~18 players on average then. My guess is, that we will have something inbetween for Series #3, but hope for more.

As of now, the tournament isn't scheduled on SwC. Are we playing this Sunday or not? Smiley

From all I know efialtis is at it, but waiting for response/confirmation from SwC.
legendary
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can we generate a confirmed payout structure for the lottery, so there is no ambiguity/disputes about how it gets paid out?

payouts should be flat/even like a satellite. we just need to know the exact cutoff where 2 people get paid, vs 3 people or 4 people etc. for instance, what happens if the total pool is 21k chips? 3 people get paid 7k, or 2 people get 10.5k?

Hehe, I don't make the rules, I just propose them and then we can discuss them Smiley In my mind, a new prize is created as soon as we get over the next 10k threshold. So at 20k chips, you would have 2 prizes á 10k chips and at 20k+1 chip, there would already be 3 prizes á 6,667 chips. Then next/fourth prize would get created at 30k+1 chip.

In last series we would have had 29k chips in the lottery pool for 3 prizes á 9,666 chips. With a low 30k+ pool, we would have 4 prizes á 7,500+ chips. But I hope that we cross 40k barrier, which would mean 8,000+ chips for 5 different players.

But nothing is set in stone, we can change this easily of course, we should just find a consensus before next Sunday.

I hope for that too. What's needed is around 35 participants playing most of the games, or 25 playing all the qualifiers. I think it looks realistic. And the fact that 5 different players will get 8,000+ chips each, as a side prize, surely can be attractive for the potential new participants.

As of now, the tournament isn't scheduled on SwC. Are we playing this Sunday or not? Smiley
legendary
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can we generate a confirmed payout structure for the lottery, so there is no ambiguity/disputes about how it gets paid out?

payouts should be flat/even like a satellite. we just need to know the exact cutoff where 2 people get paid, vs 3 people or 4 people etc. for instance, what happens if the total pool is 21k chips? 3 people get paid 7k, or 2 people get 10.5k?
Hehe, I don't make the rules, I just propose them and then we can discuss them Smiley In my mind, a new prize is created as soon as we get over the next 10k threshold. So at 20k chips, you would have 2 prizes á 10k chips and at 20k+1 chip, there would already be 3 prizes á 6,667 chips. Then next/fourth prize would get created at 30k+1 chip.

In last series we would have had 29k chips in the lottery pool for 3 prizes á 9,666 chips. With a low 30k+ pool, we would have 4 prizes á 7,500+ chips. But I hope that we cross 40k barrier, which would mean 8,000+ chips for 5 different players.

But nothing is set in stone, we can change this easily of course, we should just find a consensus before next Sunday.

that's the key, i just wanna get these things sorted now so nobody feels at a disadvantage after the first qualifier.

that structure looks fine to me. it hadn't occurred to me that as soon as each 10k chip threshold is crossed, a new prize would be created. so we should generally land in the 7k-10k range---that's a good number IMO, a big chunk of the total series buy-ins. i like it.
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