Bitcointalk Poker Series format discussion - Let's keep them all in one place. - page 4.

iv4n

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Of course, I'm in, you didn't have to ask!
And I agree with any buy-in and with any structure! We have two successful series behind, I think we can test something new in this third series (lottery, higher buy-in)...
Any day you choose will be good, I will try to be there (I work shifts, this Sunday is my working day, but I am free after 19 pm).
Lets make this happen!

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I will try to make this very short, i would miss playing two games per weekend but i totally understand it can be tough for some people to make it, so one game per weekend - Sunday.

I'm okay with whatever buy-in structure we choose to go for, lottery sounds fine too.

I'd love to see some of the people who played in the first series comeback, if we could consistently get two full tables, that'll be awesome.

webtricks

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About first question, I will go with one tournament per week. My office is now open, moreover, football is back! All sums up that I will gonna have much more busy weekends than earlier. Hence, playing single tournament on Sunday will be best option for me. (Even then I may have to miss few but still try joining most of them).

About second question, I'm entirely ok with 1400 chips buy-in where 200 goes to lottery and 200 goes to championship. But my question is that do we need to create additional pool for championship? 0.05 BTC is already good incentive to play 9-men tournament. Moreover, reaching to championship already means that you have made some good money in first 8 legs. Won't that be better if we keep buy-in at 1200 where 1000 goes to tournament and 200 goes to lottery?

I have a question. I haven't read previous discussion in this thread. Are we planning to give points to every participant in reverse order or point system would still be limited to top 10 in every leg?

tyKiwanuka

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#birdgang

Quote from: 1r0n1c on June 16, 2020, 07:38:50 AM

The lottery is for everyone or for those guys who haven´t qualified for the final table?

The lottery would be for anyone. You get 10 tickets per tournament participation and 1 ticket for every point you got from our internal point system. See here how it would have looked for series #2.

I guess you will have no problem to be in contention for Grand Final, but lots of people are often discouraged to keep joining, because they have no shot at it. The last two tournaments of series #2 had only 14 players and we had the same tendency in series #1.

Quote from: 1r0n1c on June 16, 2020, 07:38:50 AM

Another thing which pops up in my mind is what we´re going to do when SwC won´t provide further 0,05BTC to the final table anymore.
Because those 200 Chips per fee will be definitely too less.

For now we are a bit reliant on SwC. If they stop sponsoring, then we would have to think how to keep continuing. But that is nothing to worry about for now Cheesy

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Hey guys, just to make sure that I got all things straight. The lottery is for everyone or for those guys who haven´t qualified for
the final table? I´m not the biggest fan of that lottery idea either way because it´s pure gamble but of course it wouldn´t stop me of playing the
next poker series Cheesy

Another thing which pops up in my mind is what we´re going to do when SwC won´t provide further 0,05BTC to the final table anymore.
Because those 200 Chips per fee will be definitely too less.

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1 tournament a weekend is all I really care about. Either day works so I'll vote Sunday.

I'm good with trying the 1400 I still think that's steep and would have preferred 1300 as this is just to create a lottery sidepot. So count me in.

I work this coming weekend so I likely won't be playing but will keep the option open.

Trofo

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To keep the thread easier to browse I propose that you guys edit your previous posts and delete obsolete list of users. Only the latest one should be available.

I am currently on mobile so I am kindly asking the next person to put check next to my name as well. Hate to quote/copy/paste on mobile. I will do it myself in the evening if nobody takes care of it before.

Sunday is my choice as well, buy in is ok.

efialtis

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Thanks guys - that's also what I am waiting for and SwC are also waiting to get some more details - so if at least most of the regulars confirm they are fine with those 1.4k chips, I will have things up ASAP.

@Betwrong
@arallmuus
@1r0n1c
@Iv4n
@bitmutiny
@Hhampuz
@Steamtyme
@CCwatcher420
@tyKiwanuka -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@SyGambler
@Improved
@Trofo
@BitcoinGirlClub
@CoinEraser
@cygan
@webtricks
@morvillz7z
@efialtis -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@jayce
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#birdgang

Quote from: figmentofmyass on June 15, 2020, 05:57:54 PM

-sunday only, or saturday/sunday?

-is everyone okay with 1000+200(championship)+200(lottery) buy-ins?

@Betwrong
@arallmuus -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@1r0n1c
@Iv4n -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@bitmutiny
@Hhampuz
@Steamtyme -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@CCwatcher420
@tyKiwanuka -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@SyGambler
@Improved
@Trofo -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@BitcoinGirlClub
@CoinEraser
@cygan
@webtricks -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@morvillz7z -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@efialtis -> Sunday/1400 CHECK
@jayce
@Globb0

Whatever we decide on, if possible, people that intend to join all tournaments should send all extra chips upfront to efialtis, to reduce the hassle for him. Even if you are not eager to play every tournament, but maybe only 50%, you should just send for four tournaments then and request a refund at the end of the series (or donate). The less "single transactions" there are, the better.

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bump! are we still aiming to kick this series off next weekend?

i guess @efialtis can just set up a typical 1000 chip buy-in for sunday since these issues all relate to the "extra" buy-ins and can be sorted out separately. (are we playing sundays only? it still seems undecided but to be safe that should probably be the plan for this weekend)

can we get a simple yay/nay vote on some of this stuff?

-sunday only, or saturday/sunday?

-is everyone okay with 1000+200(championship)+200(lottery) buy-ins?

the lottery structure and total series length can be tweaked later on, but we should sort out the general playing schedule and buy-ins ASAP if we want to play next weekend.

calling all regulars.....

@Betwrong
@arallmuus
@1r0n1c
@Iv4n
@bitmutiny
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@Steamtyme
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@tyKiwanuka
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@CoinEraser
@cygan
@webtricks
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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on June 14, 2020, 06:33:08 AM

A lottery gives them the incentive to participate and even if they don't finish in the points and thus have no shot at the Grand Final, they will get tickets for the lottery with each participation. (And a spot for small final)

You need to have a good foundation for such a series, i.e. regular players. The players that will leave, are the ones that only ever contribute to the pot, but never (are able to) take anything out of it. You have to make sure, that these players have an incentive to keep playing. A lottery (maybe) does that.

+1, i think that's really important to consider. a luck-based incentive (sort of like bad beat jackpots in cash games) could have a strong retaining effect on casual players, especially in the second half of the series.

i would also be open to something like 150 chips towards the lottery + 150 chips towards paying out the top 5 in points. i dunno if that's getting too complicated (1000+200+150+150) or too high of a total buy-in (1500 chips) but it would add another skill-based incentive to even things out.

i still think the runner's up tourney should be open for anyone who played x number of games, like a consolation tourney. only 3 people are gonna cash in the championship after all.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 14, 2020, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on June 13, 2020, 05:04:57 AM

Are you sure that this jersey is like a real on-field Watford jersey ? I can't imagine that tbh Cheesy

They just say "shirt" and I think it's just some basic T-shirt with some Watford logo.

But the 1 btc prizepool is still worth it with only 2 mbtc buy in

It is a real on field Watford jersey 99%. When you apply for it you can chose between Home (black & yellow) and away (blue). They have a sponsorship agreement with Watford and I guess they just got a shitload of merchandise. I could be wrong of course but then there is still money prize which is very nice as tyKiwanuka mentioned

I see a lot of familiar names on the player list so see you guys soon.

Edit: What a start by FOMA AA and ALL IN in first hand. Nice man. And now I am kicked to another table...

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Quote from: efialtis on June 13, 2020, 06:17:29 AM

- I also think/thought one tournament per week may be a nicer option BUT... would 4 tournaments per series be ideal? Probably not... Would it be ideal to have a series running over 2 months to make it 8 tournaments? Probably not... Another thing - with only 4 tournaments per series and current buy-in structure, well, I am not sure how happy SwC will be about sponsoring 0.05 BTC for the Grand Final

How about if we make it 6 tournament + 1 Grand Final for each series ? as both 4 or 8 tournaments might have their own downside so 6 might do the trick

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on June 13, 2020, 07:48:24 AM

eligible for small final: tyKiwanuka, SyGambler, Improved, Trofo, BitcoinGirlClub, morvillz7z, jayce (too few, but should get better with new structure then)

If the number for the small final participant is too low, then we could just add another 6 player that didnt get anything from the Grand Final instead? Everyone that make it to the Grand Final and lose could be given their second chance on the small final .

Quote from: iv4n on June 14, 2020, 08:10:33 AM

Quote from: Trofo on June 14, 2020, 04:56:49 AM

20 tournaments and award first x places and that is it. That way quality would show itself on a large amount of tournaments and we would minimize the luck component.

I like how that sounds, I would like to play entire season with you people, for six months, tournament every week!

This would be hard to do because anyone needs to keep on playing each week to get points, some people might have hard time joining each week due to real life issue

Also this would discourage alot of player to play at some point. Lets say the point difference on leaderboard between #1 until #5 isnt that big and Five of them still stand a chance to top the leaderboard

While the rest of the player might have huge gap in point difference, at some point all those guy might feel discourage to join the next one because they dont stand a chance anymore

We might see less than 8 players after 4 months of running it because all others wont really get to the top spot anymore even if they keep winning the tournament

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on June 13, 2020, 05:04:57 AM

Are you sure that this jersey is like a real on-field Watford jersey ? I can't imagine that tbh Cheesy

They just say "shirt" and I think it's just some basic T-shirt with some Watford logo.

But the 1 btc prizepool is still worth it with only 2 mbtc buy in

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Quote from: Trofo on June 14, 2020, 04:56:49 AM

If you want to make it less luck based then we should play a big league of 20 tournaments and award first x places and that is it. That way quality would show itself on a large amount of tournaments and we would minimize the luck component.

I like how that sounds, I would like to play entire season with you people, for six months, tournament every week!

Many good suggestions, but someone has to collect money, to update spreadsheet... to talk with SwC, with players... I would add 100 chips (or more) for the jar! Is it how you say it in English? Someone to be paid for this work, to promote tournament, to do everything related with tournament..
For good organization we need money, and we need someone to work for that entire time! Efi and Ty did a great job for free, at least free entry for them would be a good thing.

I have a feeling that either we will make something big here, or we will just abandon all this!

tyKiwanuka

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#birdgang

Quote from: Betwrong on June 14, 2020, 04:30:22 AM

What if the money collected for the lottery would go to the runners-up tournament prize pool instead?

Then the difference between Grand and small Final isn't that big anymore, which it should be though imo. And upping the prize pool for small final won't help the weaker players - they have no incentive to participate regularly in the tournaments, because they see no way of getting any money in return ever.

A lottery gives them the incentive to participate and even if they don't finish in the points and thus have no shot at the Grand Final, they will get tickets for the lottery with each participation. (And a spot for small final)

You need to have a good foundation for such a series, i.e. regular players. The players that will leave, are the ones that only ever contribute to the pot, but never (are able to) take anything out of it. You have to make sure, that these players have an incentive to keep playing. A lottery (maybe) does that.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 14, 2020, 04:30:22 AM

Regarding the lottery, while thinking it's a great idea, and that @tyKiwanuka proposed a perfect structure for the tickets distribution, I suggest you guys to consider making it all less luck based. What if the money collected for the lottery would go to the runners-up tournament prize pool instead?

If you want to make it less luck based then we should play a big league of 20 tournaments and award first x places and that is it. That way quality would show itself on a large amount of tournaments and we would minimize the luck component.

I prefer the structure we have now, poker is in itself a nice balance of luck and quality and our series in current format captures it perfectly. Lottery is something extra to give a chance to regulars who don't have the results to get some extra money.

Anyway, my only real deal breaker would be if play more than one tournament per week or if we change the start of the tournament to something in the middle of night for me. All other stuff like amount of buy in or points structure I can live with and will participate in probably all the tournaments no matter what gets implemented in the end.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on June 13, 2020, 03:57:47 PM

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per every 10k chips, one prize is created for the lottery, so 29k chips = 3 prizes á 9666 chips, only one prize per user max.

aiming for 3 prizes is probably a good structure. at first i was thinking flatter maybe (more prizes) but nearly paying for all the series buy-ins seems like a good lottery prize.

how does everyone feel about 1000 chips regular buy-in, 200 chips towards the championship, and 200 chips towards the lottery? = 1400 chips total per game.

Same as @Steamtyme, I always think of keeping entry as low as possible. But since we'll have one game per week instead of two, it means we'll pay 1400 chips per week instead of 2400(1200+1200), so i'm totally okay with that.

I agree with @iv4n and @FOMA that we shouldn't deduct anything from those 200 chips going to the prize pool of the Grand Finale.

Regarding the lottery, while thinking it's a great idea, and that @tyKiwanuka proposed a perfect structure for the tickets distribution, I suggest you guys to consider making it all less luck based. What if the money collected for the lottery would go to the runners-up tournament prize pool instead?

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Quote from: iv4n on June 13, 2020, 03:16:41 PM

I don't think we should touch those 200 chips per tournament for grand prize. Lottery sounds like a good idea, but maybe it would be better to add more chips for that? Another 100 or 200 chips?!

+1, i don't wanna take away from the championship prize pool. that should still be the #1 incentive. i'm okay with adding an additional buy-in of 100 or 200 chips. so 1300-1400 chips total per game.

Quote from: Globb0 on June 13, 2020, 06:31:17 AM

Also couldn't join this from the uk. Redirects to a no poker version. I don't know what other countries are affected.

VPN from germany seems to consistently work, although i am slightly paranoid about having to withdraw larger amounts without KYC.

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per every 10k chips, one prize is created for the lottery, so 29k chips = 3 prizes á 9666 chips, only one prize per user max.

aiming for 3 prizes is probably a good structure. at first i was thinking flatter maybe (more prizes) but nearly paying for all the series buy-ins seems like a good lottery prize.

how does everyone feel about 1000 chips regular buy-in, 200 chips towards the championship, and 200 chips towards the lottery? = 1400 chips total per game.

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I don't think we should touch those 200 chips per tournament for grand prize. Lottery sounds like a good idea, but maybe it would be better to add more chips for that? Another 100 or 200 chips?!
8 tournaments in one month or two months is something to think about? Maybe to find some middle and play 10-12 tournaments in 2 months? Or it sounds like a stupid suggestion?

First week without our tournament, I can say I miss it already! I played all tournaments, and I will try to play all future ones, with any kind of structure. As a player I think we have a great tournament, without re-buys, add-ons, for me that's a true poker! We don't even need that late registration, who sits on time will play!

I hope we will play next weekend!

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Quote from: efialtis on June 13, 2020, 06:17:29 AM

@tyKiwanuka I dont think our prizes are bad tbh and I had talks with sportsbet, they weren't too interested plus their software sucks big time indeed...

+1, it's just awful. i hope for their sake they have plans to revamp it or find a new software provider. i'm sure it's part of the reason their poker room traffic is so low.

Quote from: efialtis on June 13, 2020, 06:17:29 AM

Would it be ideal to have a series running over 2 months to make it 8 tournaments? Probably not...

i actually thought this is what we were doing---a weekly game + finale in 2 months. that's cool with me. 4 games is definitely too short.

i'm also fine with 2 games per week but i know some people can't free up that much time. therein lies the problem.

Quote from: efialtis on June 13, 2020, 06:17:29 AM

- Don't worry about runners-up tournament - there will be one next time, I will take care of that Wink

great news!

Quote from: efialtis on June 13, 2020, 06:17:29 AM

- Do you think we really need to adapt the current points/leaderboard structure?

not a big issue, but i can understand the desire to smooth out variance a bit and award for points.

Quote from: efialtis on June 13, 2020, 06:17:29 AM

@tyKiwanuka I LOVE that lottery idea and since I just stated I will keep collecting the extra chips, I don't mind collecting these funds. Question: Would you guys be okay with paying 300 extra chips and take aside 100 for the lottery or would you prefer deducting 100 chips from the Grand Final prize pool?

i prefer paying the extra chips.

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on June 13, 2020, 07:48:24 AM

- eligible for small final: tyKiwanuka, SyGambler, Improved, Trofo, BitcoinGirlClub, morvillz7z, jayce (too few, but should get better with new structure

i think everyone who meets the minimum requirements should be eligible. it would be a nice consolation for those who don't cash in the final.

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