Topic: Bitcointalk Poker Series format discussion - Let's keep them all in one place. - page 6. (Read 1841 times)

I have not problems.

I do not understand the bold part. 250 for the final tournament and what is this top 3 per point things?

Agree on both, although I will need to take the test of playing with 10k chips yet 🤪

What about late registration? Do we really need it?

For regulars like us, it would be great to spend only 1500 per week. As FOMA has stated, this rise to a new issue that some people that dont play regularly or some new guy that only want to try it for one or two times. Instead of the regular 1200 chip , they would be risking 300 more for 1500

I personally dont mind with lower prizepool because Im not really aiming for the money. 1200 chips is good enough because in regular tournament we will have the some decent prizepool in accordance to number of people ( Provided if you are top 3 or perhaps 4 )

I personally agree with 1000+250+250 structure, but it still remains a question, to me at least, whether new people are not joining because the prize pool looks too small to them, or because the entry price looks too big?

I think we can try to solve it in one shot in the #3 Series. On the one hand, we make it 1000+250+250, so those who want bigger prize pool will be happy. Yet on the other hand, if we make it one tournament per week, played on Sunday, as @Trofo suggested, people like me, who put limits on what they can potentially lose to gambling during a certain period of time, will be happy as well, because instead of risking 2,400 chips per week(1,200+1,200), they will be risking only 1,500 chips(per week).

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i'm open to this. @Steamtyme does raise some good points though.

we need to consider how to maximize participation. is an extra 300 chips per game (going towards league prizes) going to do that? it could keep players coming back to improve their standings, but it could also deter people entirely who don't feel they have a shot at top 3 to begin with.

i suppose we could consider a flatter structure for the top x in points? @tyKiwanuka suggested expanding it to the top 9. my gut reaction was "that's too flat" but in reality there was a lot of competition for 5th-9th place so it could keep things interesting. thoughts?


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I don't think raising the entry to accommodate a special prize for top 3 will benefit the series overall. I think it will actually drive away more players than it will attract, based on the consistency and skill levels shown so far. I'd say most of the participants are fairly decent poker players with a few that have solid consistent documented finishes by the end of the series. This is also entering the 15-20$ buy-in that a lot of players won't want to consistently risk for a small tournament.
It would be different if it was just added to that tournaments prizepool, but again I think a lot of people will shy away from a larger buy-in.

Unfortunately efialitis did inform us that there was no runner-up tournament this time around.
Agreed. I do think a lot of people drop out near the end if they are no longer in contention for the Championship. The 2 tournaments a weekend was definitely a draw back imo. If we carried on that way I likely wouldn't be able to participate fully, I've actually booked off some vacation the last 2 series just to fit in another couple tournaments lol.

Moving to 1 a weekend is already a good step in the right direction. I just try to mention the tournament to any and all that will listen. I haven't been on th eSWC cash tables lately but I was going to start poking some of their regs to come on out and join, I'm sure some of them already have an account here.

One thing I think might be nice especially considering we are currently rather small - Is a group discussion about the Championship game before the date is set. The time is not really movable to accommodate all of our players atm, but date seems easy enough to find one that works for all. I say this as I am lucky that I will be able to play this weekend, but if I were on my dayshifts I would be SOL. Nothing crazy but the option between 2 weekends might be nice.

This thread needs a bump, since new series will be starting soon and efialtis already said that he is starting to work on organization so I decided to once more sum up my thoughts on how we should move forward:
- We should make it one tournament per week, played on Sunday. I could be wrong but from what I have seen I have a feeling Sunday is better day for most of us. We are loosing players every week and that is probably due to heavy time involvement with the series as our lives gets more and more to normal. One tournament per week would help me to keep attending all the tournaments, and probably some other users as well
- Buy in should stay around current levels, If you get SwC to take that extra chips from the buy in, maybe we can make buy in 1500 chips, 1000 for the tournament, 250 for the grand table, 250 for the top 3 per points finished. This part is not really important for me personally but I saw some suggestions to that end
-5000 chips seems to work rather well for weekly tournaments so I would keep current chip/blinds structure
-10k chips for grand finale sounds reasonable

Our biggest problem going forward is attendance and we should do anything in our power to raise the number of participants. I think this is mostly the case of time involvement while current buy in structure should be fine for all interested. If you are on the brink on joining our little poker series please speak up and let us know what is stopping you.

i feel like the championship entry is already a flat payout---9 people winning a satellite ticket basically. the idea of this IMO would be to reward the top performers in the league. the championship game (or the runners up game, if there is one) in many ways is up to chance, whereas placing in the top 3 for the entire series says something more about skill/consistency.

i think if we're gonna add something it should be top heavy but let's hear some more opinions.


SwC was nice enough to put that on for us. let's see if they'll do it again.

Lol. Glad to see my consistency wasn't unnoticed. it isn't about prizes for me. I genuinely enjoy poker. I probably would have also made the final 10 on the first series had it not been for 2 bad beats. But it happens.

The site is soft enough where I have subsidized the last few tournament buyins with cash game winnings. I do enjoy playing on other sites as well. I mostly like the community aspect of this series.

I would enjoy an actual series with low buyin/high buyin tournies as well.

If some people have hard time catching up the game on both Saturday and Sunday then it might be harder for them to play on mid week. Life is getting back to normal now with no more quarantine in some country

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At some point I do know that this is a game and there will always be a winner or loser . Everyone cant win everything sadly  

Anyway, isnt there some runners up freeroll in the 1st series? Since there will be 3 places paid in the Grand Final, Perhaps the other 6 could be invited to play some runners up 0.01 guaranteed game? Probably sponsored by our 3 winners in the Grand Final (?)

Got invited by efialtis to a runners up game before eventhough I didnt make alot of points in the first series  


Noted on this, I guess it would be hard to change the current one

I think the Top9 in league points should get some prize. For example CCwatcher420/JTisCuban has 14 participations and is playing good poker throughout both series. Missed Grand Final in first series, but will probably qualify for it this time. If he isn't in the money there, he would have participated in every tournament there was and never has gotten anything back. This is kind of unfair (well, is Poker fair anyway ? ) imo and regular players (add maybe good to it) should get rewarded at some point.

It's the same with you, but you at least were able to win some BTC in small final.

If you split some additional prize pool for league points between 9 players, it will be quite few for each one of them then again though.....but maybe better than nothing

exactly! I like the idea as well. It could have multiple effects when we pay 1000 + 200 + 200
1. People are more motivated to Play every game (to collect as many league Points as possible)
2. That lead´s to a higher Price pool on the final table
3. the top 3 in league Points are more appreciated for their good Play

What do you guys think about that?

are you saying you wanna add an additional buy-in on top? so instead of 1000+200 per game as now, it would be 1000+200+200, where 200 goes to the championship prize pool and 200 goes towards a separate prize pool for the top 3 in league points?

i kinda like it. it adds some additional incentive to play every game. what does everyone else think?

I like playing 2 tournaments at the weekend, but I understand you when it´s too demanding - especially when timezones issues pop up.
However, when we decide to have 1 final table after 2 months I would like to increase the pricepool. Either we´re paying 1500 or 2000 instead of 1000, or what Ivan suggested, that
we create an additional Price pool for the guys with the most points (maybe 200 extra and places 1-3 are paid?!).
I know, the idea is having fun, spending a good time with people from this Forum, but it´s also a competition.

I agree that we need to space out the tournies a bit. I think it would be great if we had one mid week tourney, and one sunday tourney. That way, the later half of the weekend is booked. Time zones would be an issue so we would need to tally who is where.

I'm not really keen on mixing it into the series itself. I think it would make a cool tournament to run once a month itself. Bounty tournaments are fun and can get pretty wild, so I'd definitely join one for a good time. I think the idea behind a series and a championship lends itself to a points only for finishes format and should be kept that way.

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In regards to fees and managing them I can go either way. We definitely should still keep this password protected, and forum member only. Anyone playing there with BTC could easily create an account in a matter of seconds if they are interested. Otherwise it's really just another tournament where I know a few extra people than usual. I play this series for the comradery  and to go over spots later on it would loose a bit of it's fun appeal if it were flooded with Regs. I'd be less inclined to record my plays or even talk at the tables.

I am also of the camp that we should make things as easy as possible on the SWC team, they have gone way above and beyond what one could expect. They legitimately make nothing on our tournaments and toss in huge extras just so we can have a good time.I'm sure they could make it easy and go with the standard format for a tournament[entry+Fee] 1000+200 at registration. In the end they just create the final tournament and add the total from the 200 collected to that prizepool. For me this isn't ideal, as I said I don't want to ask them for more than they do already.

Back to the league entry fee. This can be done a few different ways. If full payment upfront is done we can then before the Championship make refunds for games not played. This can either be the full 200 per game or something like 175/150 if people aren't all in agreement for a full refund/qame missed. This helps people not feel like they are just giving away money, it should also solve any issues of people wanting to join in for a one-off or after a few missed games. It can also be collected in 2 terms first half and second half.

Whoever collects the League fees then provides the passwords for all of the tournaments upon league registration.

@betwrong and @figmentofmyass - Good on you guys offering to handle and hold fees. I have no issues with either of them doing this.

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I'm going to spend a little time this week looking into SWC's social media and see if there are places I can post to try and convert some of their regs. I would like to see us build our ranks and maybe bring some people back to the forum even if it's only to hang in what is fast becoming our active poker community. I might try working on a few others on the forum. I don't know them to well but am surprised they aren't participating. It may have been the 2 games a weekend thing.

Thanks for all the input guys, highly appreciated! I will have a discussion with SwC shortly and see what we can do!

it will become 1/2 populated by SwC tourney regs. maybe that's okay---on average, i would say our players are tougher to beat anyway. this is something to consider though, as it will definitely not feel as much like a "bitcointalk" tourney anymore. a password obviously doesn't keep out a determined outsider (and i don't care enough to stop them anyway) but having one (which forces you to come to bitcointalk to at least get the password) ensures that it's mostly people from our community who stick around.


i'm fine with that. i can also run it for a future series.

i actually really like the idea of an upfront "league entry fee" instead of per-game, and retaining 1000 chip buy-ins. it means we don't have to worry about dealing with such small amounts for dozens of people, dozens of PMs all the time. if SwC keeps putting up 0.05+ BTC for the championships (i don't know whether that will happen but fingers crossed) then that value more than pays for any missed games.

if we stop doing this "200 chips per game" thing in our heads, the league entry fee starts to make a lot of sense IMO.

I like this option the most, but there is one problem with it.

Remember that our tournaments are password protected. Suppose you wanted to register, what would be your next move? Even if you are willing to pay 1200 chips for the entry, you can't register without knowing the password, right? And if people who are willing to register will have to ask someone(via PM on this forum) for a password, we'll have the same hassle we want to get rid off.

Here's a solution I'd like to propose. Since we decided earlier to accept anyone, even a just registered newbie, this password thing doesn't have much sense.

So, what we can do is:

1. Get rid off passwords completely;

2. Keep everything as it was, but I will be doing what @efialtis was doing before: a player transfers 200 chips to my account on SwC; asks me for a password via PM on this forum; I check my Transfer history on SwC, and send him/her a password if the transfer was done. I don't mind doing this. In fact, I will be more than happy to make a modest contribution to the organizational process of our series.

I mean, since it's an extra hassle, we can do it in shifts. Thanks, @efialtis for doing it previously! The next two series are on me. (if there are no objections)

i'm sure it could technically be done, but it would create some legwork for SwC. i'm not sure they are willing or whether we should ask it of them. as it is, i dunno how much ROI they are getting from sponsoring our little league.

#1 is always gonna be a problem. nobody wants to chase after people for like 0.0006 BTC.

that leaves #2. the buy-ins themselves are already 0.001 BTC each. i don't think asking for 0.0016 BTC more for league entry up front seems like a big deal at all. it almost seems like an opportunity to round it up to 0.002 BTC. 400 chips is just a single buy-in at the low stakes 2/4 tables. requiring upfront payment for the entire series also creates incentive for players to keep coming back. it's also possible it could deter people who are on the fence from entering at all. anyone who isn't in on day 1 probably won't join later. always so many angles......

Instead of making the entry fee 1200 chips, perhaps making the entry fee into 1000+200 chips? 1000 goes to the prize poll and 200 goes to swc which will be added to the grand final. Im not sure with how SWC works because I am new in SWC as well but in some other poker apps this could be done usually the buy in fees goes like $10 + $1 whereas $10 goes to prize pool and $1 goes to the website