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Topic: Bitcointalk.org supports illegal ponzi schemes - page 2. (Read 3794 times)

legendary
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my argument and proof is this subforum and the view statistics of each topic: Investor-based games
Nope. That is not the proof of anything. Just because the administration allows a place for ponzi threads to be opened/moved to, that does not mean that the administration supports a single ponzi within that section.

I'm pretty sure that scams aren't moderated.
Exactly.
full member
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I'm pretty sure that scams aren't moderated.
hero member
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do you know of any other bitcoin forum/resource with such significant influence like bitcointalk allowing promotion of ponzi sites?  
What exactly would be the argument here? BTCT is supporting X because BTCT allows it and has 'significant influence' while others don't? No, I'm not familiar with similar forums because they're mostly filled with conspiracy rubbish (e.g. HF fanatics). As far as Bitcoin forums go, BTCT is the most popular one, yes.
my argument and proof is this subforum and the view statistics of each topic: Investor-based games


legendary
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do you know of any other bitcoin forum/resource with such significant influence like bitcointalk allowing promotion of ponzi sites? 
What exactly would be the argument here? BTCT is supporting X because BTCT allows it and has 'significant influence' while others don't? No, I'm not familiar with similar forums because they're mostly filled with conspiracy rubbish (e.g. HF fanatics). As far as Bitcoin forums go, BTCT is the most popular one, yes.
hero member
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What's wrong with that statement? Do you have a proof that Bitcointalk doesn't support the illegal ponzi schemes? [ironic smile]
Why would I have to provide proof of 'non-existing' support when you haven't provided proof of 'existing' support. Tolerating those 'games' is one thing, participating and supporting them is another.
do you know of any other bitcoin forum/resource with such significant influence like bitcointalk allowing promotion of ponzi sites?  
legendary
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What's wrong with that statement? Do you have a proof that Bitcointalk doesn't support the illegal ponzi schemes? [ironic smile]
Why would I have to provide proof of 'non-existing' support when you haven't provided proof of 'existing' support. Tolerating those 'games' is one thing, participating and supporting them is another.
hero member
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Incorrect. I provided (or at least tried) to provide you with the correct information the whole time. Usually in trust-related cases (DT2) the options are:
1) Contact the person who left you the rating.
2) Contact the person from DT1 who has them in their list.
3) Try to get other DT1 members to exclude them.

About point 2: That would be dooglus; I've told you this already

i indirectly thanked you for that if you remember


Do you have any other requests/questions? Has this thread served its purpose or is it going to be continued with the "BTCT supporting ponzi's" stuff?

What's wrong with that statement? Do you have a proof that Bitcointalk doesn't support the illegal ponzi schemes? [ironic smile]

legendary
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ok i don't accept the red trust from cryptodevil and i can do nothing about it, i don't like your attitude Lauda and can't do anything about it neither, instead of directly saying to me the facts and my possibilities you acted in other way posting unrelated off-topic non-sense  and accusing me of other actions. But ok let's move on.
Incorrect. I provided (or at least tried) to provide you with the correct information the whole time. Usually in trust-related cases (DT2) the options are:
1) Contact the person who left you the rating.
2) Contact the person from DT1 who has them in their list.
3) Try to get other DT1 members to exclude them.

About point 2: That would be dooglus; I've told you this already


Do you have any other requests/questions? Has this thread served its purpose or is it going to be continued with the "BTCT supporting ponzi's" stuff?

you should sue money because it helps people get drugs  Grin Grin
hero member
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Just found interesting topic related to Bitcointalk's support of illegal activities:

"Suing Bitcointalk.org and Theymos for $20,000,000 for facilitating scams"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/suing-bitcointalkorg-and-theymos-for-20000000-for-facilitating-scams-1466749
hero member
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yes i started this topic asking for removal the cryptodevil from DT, but you said is not possible, ok i see the dead end. So i go further to get some explanation why i should accept that trust while the ponzis are allowed here based on current situation.
I never said that it was impossible. What I did say is that there is no sign of clear/extensive abuse which would require the intervention of the administration. Just because you don't agree with someones ratings that does not mean that they're abusing something.

ok, but also bitcointalk donesn't moderate ponzi threads, which indirectly supports it
Example: Facebook also supports every single evil entity that shares anything that could be considered 'immoral'? Doubtful at best.

well, what i wanted is simple justice. If ponzis are allowed why would i get red trust for it, in those sites are not allowed then ok my red trust is earned.
Again, you seem to fail to realize even how this forum works. You don't usually get negative rating for breaking the forum rules, you get punished (e.g. banned). You got negative ratings for things that are 'frowned upon' by the community, e.g. support ponzi's, scam and such.

I hoped that the staff could remove it as i wasn't doing anything against forum rules.
Do I have to draw this out for you? Staff does not moderate trust ratings.
i probably should have already drawn it to you that i understood it.  Grin

ok i don't accept the red trust from cryptodevil and i can do nothing about it, i don't like your attitude Lauda and can't do anything about it neither, instead of directly saying to me the facts and my possibilities you acted in other way posting unrelated off-topic non-sense  and accusing me of other actions. But ok let's move on.

legendary
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yes i started this topic asking for removal the cryptodevil from DT, but you said is not possible, ok i see the dead end. So i go further to get some explanation why i should accept that trust while the ponzis are allowed here based on current situation.
I never said that it was impossible. What I did say is that there is no sign of clear/extensive abuse which would require the intervention of the administration. Just because you don't agree with someones ratings that does not mean that they're abusing something.

ok, but also bitcointalk donesn't moderate ponzi threads, which indirectly supports it
Example: Facebook also supports every single evil entity that shares anything that could be considered 'immoral'? Doubtful at best.

well, what i wanted is simple justice. If ponzis are allowed why would i get red trust for it, in those sites are not allowed then ok my red trust is earned.
Again, you seem to fail to realize even how this forum works. You don't usually get negative rating for breaking the forum rules, you get punished (e.g. banned). You got negative ratings for things that are 'frowned upon' by the community, e.g. support ponzi's, scam and such.

I hoped that the staff could remove it as i wasn't doing anything against forum rules.
Do I have to draw this out for you? Staff does not moderate trust ratings.
hero member
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If you actually bothered to read the link I gave you it is perfectly clear why negative ratings are the weapon of choice against scammers and those who support them.

That IBG is getting fewer new scam threads with much shorter lifespans is evidence enough that this community action works.



ok cryptodevil do what you want.

Just stop spamming this thread with off-topic posts, this topic is about: Bitcointalk.org supports illegal ponzi schemes

what is your opinion related to it?
legendary
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Thread-puller extraordinaire
If you actually bothered to read the link I gave you it is perfectly clear why negative ratings are the weapon of choice against scammers and those who support them.

That IBG is getting fewer new scam threads with much shorter lifespans is evidence enough that this community action works.


hero member
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Freedoge, perhaps this will help you better understand that this is a community action, not a forum rule:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tagging-both-operators-and-participants-of-ponzi-schemes-is-extremely-effective-1381105

In that it is a community action you can quit demanding that staff attend to your displeasure and simply accept that you are being held to account for your actions by the community.

Ponzi schemes *need* people to post encouraging comments in order for them to function. This policy of marking users who help these scams function is extremely effective at limiting their propagation, particularly when it comes to the fact it is no longer worthwhile for scammers to buy senior forum accounts with which to fraudulently vouch for their operation.

That scammers are trying to hide in other forum sections isn't sufficient as most experienced users are quick to flag them as a likely ponzi and then they are moved into IBG and dealt with accordingly.

BTW, not all threads in IBG are scam operations, just most of them.



who asked to do so, the warning from forum staff above the investor-based games is clear and flashy enough. If you want to warn people just leave neutral feedback and let them decide on their own.

Your actions are abusing the trust system and you spam the the investor-based games board.
hero member
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legendary
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Thread-puller extraordinaire
Freedoge, perhaps this will help you better understand that this is a community action, not a forum rule:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tagging-both-operators-and-participants-of-ponzi-schemes-is-extremely-effective-1381105

In that it is a community action you can quit demanding that staff attend to your displeasure and simply accept that you are being held to account for your actions by the community.

Ponzi schemes *need* people to post encouraging comments in order for them to function. This policy of marking users who help these scams function is extremely effective at limiting their propagation, particularly when it comes to the fact it is no longer worthwhile for scammers to buy senior forum accounts with which to fraudulently vouch for their operation.

That scammers are trying to hide in other forum sections isn't sufficient as most experienced users are quick to flag them as a likely ponzi and then they are moved into IBG and dealt with accordingly.

BTW, not all threads in IBG are scam operations, just most of them.

hero member
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where does it come from, your statement that "Ponzi sites aren't allowed in this forum" ? Please lead me to such rule, where is it written?
He doesn't know what he's talking about. There is no rule against ponzi's as far as the forum's rules are concerned. When it comes to trust ratings, the the story seems to be different.

Well we were talking about the trust ratings here, right? And not the forum's rule. Maybe my statement wasn't that specific. It should be -- 'People posting about ponzi websites here are getting a negative trust not only from cryptodevil but also from other people who dislikes ponzi'. They are warning newbies to not fall victim into ponzi scams.

Do you see the staff doing something about it? NO. Anyone can promote ponzi schemes on bitcointalk and staff would do nothing about it.

Actually even if anyone can promote ponzi in here, there are people who are always in the investor-based games section to put a warning for the newbies to not invest on that website.
legendary
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please explain in which part i appeal to emotion and which demands of me are irrational other then the moderation of default trust which i understand now that it's not common here.
The whole thread is based on you not being able to participate in signature campaigns. Apart from that, you have made no clear and valid arguments (which is why it is irrational). You're asking for:
1) Removal of the section.
2) Moderation of DT.
Both of which are extensive changes.

@Lauda you accused me of being signature spammer out of nowhere, while you yourself have the jetwin signature which makes you hypocryte and prejudging person, plus it was totally off-topic and any solution to my request.
Is the thread about cryptodevil, "BTCT supporting ponzi's" or Lauda? Pick one; you can't have it all at once.

Based on your 'logic' i'm saying that bitcointalk supports and spreads the illegal ponzi schemes allowing them to go to wide masses.
No, BTCT does not support everything that is present on it nor can it be held responsible for the actions of the users.

where does it come from, your statement that "Ponzi sites aren't allowed in this forum" ? Please lead me to such rule, where is it written?
He doesn't know what he's talking about. There is no rule against ponzi's as far as the forum's rules are concerned. When it comes to trust ratings, the the story seems to be different.


Again, you need to focus on what you really want to do here. If you want to get the ponzi section removed and ponzi's banned, then focus on building up the proper argumentation for your request.
hero member
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@Xenophoto you see it too as something impossible? I guess then he must be like a god to most of you then, this accusation about the support of ponzi schemes is serious enough in my opinion to take responsibility and make things clear.

There are 3 possible options:

#1 Ponzi sites are allowed on this forum, then my red trust is given unfair.
#2 Ponzi sites are not allowed on this forum, my red trust is valid and i take it.
#3 Administrator doesn't care, do what you want.

Ponzi sites aren't allowed in this forum that's why you received a negative trust from cryptodevil. You were saying something about cryptodevil not responding to your messages, now that he responded in this thread, grab the chance and talk to him. Actually though, you still have a lot of negative trusts to get removed.

And for the record, I don't see it as something impossible. There's a possibility that theymos would have a lot of spare time and he check on this thread but that is unlikely to happen. Roll Eyes
where does it come from, your statement that "Ponzi sites aren't allowed in this forum" ? Please lead me to such rule, where is it written?

Do you see the staff doing something about it? NO. Anyone can promote ponzi schemes on bitcointalk and staff would do nothing about it.

Just try to post an affiliate link of any kind and your post is deleted in few minutes.
Start a ponzi, make topic and promote it here, no one is gonna delete it.
hero member
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i kindly asked him to remove, got no response. But he is none to give such feedbacks. He is not the staff or moderator of this forum.

You *kindly* asked me to remove the rating?

So I can add liar to the description of your untrustworthy behaviour?

You responded in thread by giving an excuse for supporting ponzis which does not hold up to scrutiny, namely, that EVERYONE knows how ponzis work and that it is 'like gambling'. Neither of which are true statements. Ten minutes later you posted that I should be banned from the forum.

being involved in ponzi game it not a reason to give red trust, it's nothing illegal and everyone involved knows how ponzi schemes works, it's like gambling so please remove your feedback. thanks!
yeah this cryptodevil user has some issues, look at the list of feedbacks https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptodevil-224980 he is giving to other people, acting like he is some kind of cop, should be banned for life from this forum.

it's nothing illegal
This depends on the jurisdiction where you live, but it may well be.

and everyone involved knows how ponzi schemes works
That's a lie and you know it.

it's like gambling
This is somewhat true, though gambling sites are usually a lot more transparent than Ponzi schemes in how they operate. Therefore, it isn't a very good comparison.

should be banned for life from this forum.
For trying to protect people from scams? No. It tends to only be those trying to be dishonest and push said schemes to unsuspecting users that say things like this.
i won't argue with you or discuss ponzi schemes. The fact is that this game has very transparent rules about affiliate commissions, it's very basic game where you need only 2 referrals to profit, so unless the admin doesn't pay this game is legit. Based on that i'm going to leave negative feedback to cryptodevil "cop" guy for false accusations based on no facts without doing proper research. Someone must stop this scam obsessed individual, so if you are honest and neutral, you must admit that cryptodevil made a huge mistake.

"Someone must stop this scam obsessed individual" - Stated as though it means something really profound. Pro-tip: It doesn't.


you just can't admit that what you do is nothing but spamming as the warning is above that subforum and you have no right to give red trust to people just based on your prejudgement, yeah I went trough your post history and the history of the feedbacks you gave to other people and i was amazed how much effort you put into it. And still don't understand why you doing this, you just got yourself on the many ignore lists.
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