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Topic: ◈◈Bitcredit ◈◈ Migrating to UniQredit◈◈ - page 56. (Read 284526 times)

hero member
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Still no luck compiling on windows. Same errors as previous ...

remove the references to assets/* in makefile.am

ok

Edit: Same ...

Not possible, you can't have issue with the coinspark files if you aren't including them, make sure you removed all references.

.h  .cpp and $I(srcdir)/assets

then run configure and make

likely you missed one.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Still no luck compiling on windows. Same errors as previous ...

remove the references to assets/* in makefile.am

ok

Edit: Same ...
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
Still no luck compiling on windows. Same errors as previous ...

remove the references to assets/* in makefile.am
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Still no luck compiling on windows. Same errors as previous ...
full member
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hi there,

is there a link for a compiled version out. thanks for that work. ready to put in half .50 btc right now. maybe more.
dunno what exactly coins for coins means does.. anyway maybe some tweaked out front page design..
hero member
Activity: 602
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it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....

Perhaps in a future where all transactions are digital and all banks are on publicly accessible blockchains, we could have such a utopian system.  I think that we all have to ask ourselves is: when i say i need funding to complete  a set of tasks, do you as a user/investor/service provider , see the need and value of what i propose, and are you willing to make a direct "donation" towards seeing the idea become a reality? After which one would review the cost/benefits of giving me the funding i request and make a decision.

To encourage donations, there would be major benefits allotted based on how much they helped and these benefits would be perpetual in the systems lifetime. Buying BCR is an investment for some, but a smarter person would invest in the system itself and reap benefits on a grander scale.

oh , about the 10btc... I was not even talking about that when i mentioned the trustless issue (or you for that matter) I hope it didn't come off that way..... 10 btc for the code fund is perfectly reasonable................. All ears about that...........

All good, i just hope we can do it all in good time. If i got a good chunk early enough, i'd push most of the foundation work and have it all working by late December, mid January- mid Feb could possibly see trials of p2plending.
hero member
Activity: 602
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Miners and bidders , feel free to update. BNs can ignore as this is mostly mining, GUI and license fixes.

only update BN if you are using it to mine too

going to take a break, then study lockboxes by armory, that's how we are going to distribute keys among the offices.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....

No, it wont be trustless, because you can't do perfectly trustless when dealing with real stuff. Bitcoin isn't really perfectly trustless (and certainly isn't decentralised) either, you're just relying on the distributed ledger and some rather centralised miners (ie. trusting a lot of practically anonymous counterparties) to keep your unbacked-by-anything 1's and 0's safe from attack.

Multiparty custodial structures can be put in place though to minimise risk, and with any fiat connection will come the requirement for real names and identities for said custodians. These things would need to be hammered out before BCR can expand beyond BTC/LTC/DASH 'donational interoperability.'  Wink

RE: bold part.

Pretty curious about that dynamic between complete strangers - just names on the internet. That would be two names at least to be identified with the bcr fiat funds. You wouldn't trust me (proletariat) with your money would you?  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005

it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....

Perhaps in a future where all transactions are digital and all banks are on publicly accessible blockchains, we could have such a utopian system.  I think that we all have to ask ourselves is: when i say i need funding to complete  a set of tasks, do you as a user/investor/service provider , see the need and value of what i propose, and are you willing to make a direct "donation" towards seeing the idea become a reality? After which one would review the cost/benefits of giving me the funding i request and make a decision.

To encourage donations, there would be major benefits allotted based on how much they helped and these benefits would be perpetual in the systems lifetime. Buying BCR is an investment for some, but a smarter person would invest in the system itself and reap benefits on a grander scale.

oh , about the 10btc... I was not even talking about that when i mentioned the trustless issue (or you for that matter) I hope it didn't come off that way..... 10 btc for the code fund is perfectly reasonable................. All ears about that...........
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
setgenerate true stopped working for me Sad

guess im not fully synced. im on 222859 network is 222880+ im on 17.8 rc2, windows 6 connections all showing proper height.

You did something  Tongue

get a bootstrap + balances and re-sync.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
3 million BCR goes into 30000 accounts , all multisig 2 of 2, namely one master key and 30000 client keys. These will be sold for fiat only via website , accepting visa , wire and/or western union.

The credits will have additional rules as follows :-

Redemption before a specific date of our choosing will result in the total coins being reduced ie instead of receiving 1000 BCR, early redemption will get X % less calculated based on time remaining. A redemption within the maturity stage will result in 1000 BCR + default increase in trust rating. We also give a final redemption date, which if it passes will result in all keys expiring.

I know a lot of that can be scripted but it seems a bit... complex?

3000000 BCR @ 0.000003 is ~9 BTC... I would be tempted to buy the lot myself.  Cheesy 

Maybe sell it gradually, as a working bidding system slowly but surely adds daily to the assured minimum value and pushes up the market price? I do appreciate that you're impatient to get things done and hire skilled helpers though.

Highly complex but i like the challenge  Smiley

I think the best is to set targets and let people vote on how much to spend to reach each target.

Right now BCR as a system sorely needs :-

1) A complete code review, clean up and improvement, and completion of some ideas half implemented.
2) SPV clients ( i mean all of them, with some supporting banknode management)
3) Full native support for derived assets/ contracts

hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....

No, it wont be trustless, because you can't do perfectly trustless when dealing with real stuff. Bitcoin isn't really perfectly trustless (and certainly isn't decentralised) either, you're just relying on the distributed ledger and some rather centralised miners (ie. trusting a lot of practically anonymous counterparties) to keep your unbacked-by-anything 1's and 0's safe from attack.

Multiparty custodial structures can be put in place though to minimise risk, and with any fiat connection will come the requirement for real names and identities for said custodians. These things would need to be hammered out before BCR can expand beyond BTC/LTC/DASH 'donational interoperability.'  Wink

This ^ +1

I am also trying to figure out a legal way of making it such that a "registered banknode" can be considered a "branch" of a holding company....
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501

it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....

Perhaps in a future where all transactions are digital and all banks are on publicly accessible blockchains, we could have such a utopian system.  I think that we all have to ask ourselves is: when i say i need funding to complete  a set of tasks, do you as a user/investor/service provider , see the need and value of what i propose, and are you willing to make a direct "donation" towards seeing the idea become a reality? After which one would review the cost/benefits of giving me the funding i request and make a decision.

To encourage donations, there would be major benefits allotted based on how much they helped and these benefits would be perpetual in the systems lifetime. Buying BCR is an investment for some, but a smarter person would invest in the system itself and reap benefits on a grander scale.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1008
Forget-about-it
setgenerate true stopped working for me Sad

Code:
2015-10-19 22:32:02 Successfully synced, asking for Banknode list and payment list
2015-10-19 22:32:02 Successfully synced, asking for Banknode list and payment list
2015-10-19 22:32:02 Successfully synced, asking for Banknode list and payment list
2015-10-19 22:32:07 BitcreditMiner started
2015-10-19 22:32:07 BitcreditMiner started
2015-10-19 22:32:07 BitcreditMiner started
2015-10-19 22:32:07 BitcreditMiner started
2015-10-19 22:32:07  === Grant Database Block Height 222855 ===
2015-10-19 22:32:07 Checking GDB is updated...Required Height : 222855, requested from: 222860
2015-10-19 22:32:07 CreateNewBlock(): total size 1000
2015-10-19 22:32:07  === Grant Database Block Height 222855 ===
2015-10-19 22:32:07 Checking GDB is updated...Required Height : 222855, requested from: 222860
2015-10-19 22:32:07  === Grant Database Block Height 222855 ===
2015-10-19 22:32:07 Checking GDB is updated...Required Height : 222855, requested from: 222860
2015-10-19 22:32:07 Check Grant Awards rewarded for Block 222860
2015-10-19 22:32:07 ERROR: ConnectBlock() : grant awards error( grantAward=0)
2015-10-19 22:32:07 CreateNewBlock(): total size 1000
2015-10-19 22:32:07 BitcreditMiner runtime error: CreateNewBlock() : TestBlockValidity failed
2015-10-19 22:32:09 P2P peers available. Skipped DNS seeding.
2015-10-19 22:32:09 dnsseed thread exit
2015-10-19 22:32:09  === Grant Database Block Height 222855 ===
2015-10-19 22:32:09 Checking GDB is updated...Required Height : 222855, requested from: 222860
2015-10-19 22:32:09 Check Grant Awards rewarded for Block 222860
2015-10-19 22:32:09 ERROR: ConnectBlock() : grant awards error( grantAward=0)
2015-10-19 22:32:09 BitcreditMiner runtime error: CreateNewBlock() : TestBlockValidity failed
guess im not fully synced. im on 222859 network is 222880+ im on 17.8 rc2, windows 6 connections all showing proper height.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
3 million BCR goes into 30000 accounts , all multisig 2 of 2, namely one master key and 30000 client keys. These will be sold for fiat only via website , accepting visa , wire and/or western union.

The credits will have additional rules as follows :-

Redemption before a specific date of our choosing will result in the total coins being reduced ie instead of receiving 1000 BCR, early redemption will get X % less calculated based on time remaining. A redemption within the maturity stage will result in 1000 BCR + default increase in trust rating. We also give a final redemption date, which if it passes will result in all keys expiring.

I know a lot of that can be scripted but it seems a bit... complex?

3000000 BCR @ 0.000003 is ~9 BTC... I would be tempted to buy the lot myself.  Cheesy 

Maybe sell it gradually, as a working bidding system slowly but surely adds daily to the assured minimum value and pushes up the market price? I do appreciate that you're impatient to get things done and hire skilled helpers though.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....

No, it wont be trustless, because you can't do perfectly trustless when dealing with real stuff. Bitcoin isn't really perfectly trustless (and certainly isn't decentralised) either, you're just relying on the distributed ledger and some rather centralised miners (ie. trusting a lot of practically anonymous counterparties) to keep your unbacked-by-anything 1's and 0's safe from attack.

Multiparty custodial structures can be put in place though to minimise risk, and with any fiat connection will come the requirement for real names and identities for said custodians. These things would need to be hammered out before BCR can expand beyond BTC/LTC/DASH 'donational interoperability.'  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
I am going to withdraw the offer to bitcoin alts to absorb them. Instead, i'd like to create a two pronged approach to providing easy fiat/OTC purchase of BCR as follows:-

3 million BCR goes into 30000 accounts , all multisig 2 of 2, namely one master key and 30000 client keys. These will be sold for fiat only via website , accepting visa , wire and/or western union.

The credits will have additional rules as follows :-

Redemption before a specific date of our choosing will result in the total coins being reduced ie instead of receiving 1000 BCR, early redemption will get X % less calculated based on time remaining. A redemption within the maturity stage will result in 1000 BCR + default increase in trust rating. We also give a final redemption date, which if it passes will result in all keys expiring.

What this does is allow interested parties to quickly buy BCR online without need for going through BTC exchanges or the overall hassles people face now to reach us. The other batch of 3 mill will be held to see the success of this project, should it work, we use the rest, or if we prefer we can use it to make physical scratch cards that users can to get more people in their locales/work places interested.

The second is mostly just a request for funds, i'd like to raise 10 BTC so i can hire coders to help me resolve the rather large to do list, review code, remove legacy material, bring in some SPV clients and finally finance creation of the above mentioned website.

Thoughts ?

how would you decentralize the fiat funds received from purchased bcr? who handles this money in the meantime? how will it be used and secured?


Any form of "decentralization" in this regard....leaves much in the wind,  for example visa/mastercards or wire .....how exactly do we go about decentralizing that in any meaningful way? The idea is beautiful overall except when we try to connect to existing structures in the real world. A possible method would be for banknode owners to put up collateral and set up similar services, but then that would raise the problem of us pouring effort into coding such a solution for something that will only be used at most twice. Which would defeat the purpose of the fundraising as we would have used funds into something that is not long term.

The immediate objectives of this would be fund raising, accessibility,  visibility and a kick start for utility. We could rationalize the coding part if we could have a certain level of certainty that users/service providers would actually use the facility to create and fund their own initiatives later in the lifetime of the project, but that is highly subjective.

On the other hand, If we stick to crypto based only funding, then we can decentralize, but that would kill off the objectives of utility, accessibility and severely reduce the fund raising aspect. Just think on it a little.....of the crypto start-ups , how many are funded in crypto? More to the point, the only crypto worth use as a funding start is BTC, maybe LTC too, the rest all suffer the same issue we have - illiquidity.

it wouldn't be trustless though. you could be the pope and people would still not trust him 100% to hold their tangible currency. big dilemma....
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
I am going to withdraw the offer to bitcoin alts to absorb them. Instead, i'd like to create a two pronged approach to providing easy fiat/OTC purchase of BCR as follows:-

3 million BCR goes into 30000 accounts , all multisig 2 of 2, namely one master key and 30000 client keys. These will be sold for fiat only via website , accepting visa , wire and/or western union.

The credits will have additional rules as follows :-

Redemption before a specific date of our choosing will result in the total coins being reduced ie instead of receiving 1000 BCR, early redemption will get X % less calculated based on time remaining. A redemption within the maturity stage will result in 1000 BCR + default increase in trust rating. We also give a final redemption date, which if it passes will result in all keys expiring.

What this does is allow interested parties to quickly buy BCR online without need for going through BTC exchanges or the overall hassles people face now to reach us. The other batch of 3 mill will be held to see the success of this project, should it work, we use the rest, or if we prefer we can use it to make physical scratch cards that users can to get more people in their locales/work places interested.

The second is mostly just a request for funds, i'd like to raise 10 BTC so i can hire coders to help me resolve the rather large to do list, review code, remove legacy material, bring in some SPV clients and finally finance creation of the above mentioned website.

Thoughts ?

how would you decentralize the fiat funds received from purchased bcr? who handles this money in the meantime? how will it be used and secured?


Any form of "decentralization" in this regard....leaves much in the wind,  for example visa/mastercards or wire .....how exactly do we go about decentralizing that in any meaningful way? The idea is beautiful overall except when we try to connect to existing structures in the real world. A possible method would be for banknode owners to put up collateral and set up similar services, but then that would raise the problem of us pouring effort into coding such a solution for something that will only be used at most twice. Which would defeat the purpose of the fundraising as we would have used funds into something that is not long term.

The immediate objectives of this would be fund raising, accessibility,  visibility and a kick start for utility. We could rationalize the coding part if we could have a certain level of certainty that users/service providers would actually use the facility to create and fund their own initiatives later in the lifetime of the project, but that is highly subjective.

On the other hand, If we stick to crypto based only funding, then we can decentralize, but that would kill off the objectives of utility, accessibility and severely reduce the fund raising aspect. Just think on it a little.....of the crypto start-ups , how many are funded in crypto? More to the point, the only crypto worth use as a funding start is BTC, maybe LTC too, the rest all suffer the same issue we have - illiquidity.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1005
I am going to withdraw the offer to bitcoin alts to absorb them. Instead, i'd like to create a two pronged approach to providing easy fiat/OTC purchase of BCR as follows:-

3 million BCR goes into 30000 accounts , all multisig 2 of 2, namely one master key and 30000 client keys. These will be sold for fiat only via website , accepting visa , wire and/or western union.

The credits will have additional rules as follows :-

Redemption before a specific date of our choosing will result in the total coins being reduced ie instead of receiving 1000 BCR, early redemption will get X % less calculated based on time remaining. A redemption within the maturity stage will result in 1000 BCR + default increase in trust rating. We also give a final redemption date, which if it passes will result in all keys expiring.

What this does is allow interested parties to quickly buy BCR online without need for going through BTC exchanges or the overall hassles people face now to reach us. The other batch of 3 mill will be held to see the success of this project, should it work, we use the rest, or if we prefer we can use it to make physical scratch cards that users can to get more people in their locales/work places interested.

The second is mostly just a request for funds, i'd like to raise 10 BTC so i can hire coders to help me resolve the rather large to do list, review code, remove legacy material, bring in some SPV clients and finally finance creation of the above mentioned website.

Thoughts ?

how would you decentralize the fiat funds received from purchased bcr? who handles this money in the meantime? how will it be used and secured?





hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 501
finance creation of the above mentioned website.

?

Cheers

Graham

These will be sold for fiat only via website , accepting visa , wire and/or western union.

Once we can decentralize that, we can also implement fiat bidding.
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