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Quote from: TheQuin on December 05, 2017, 04:56:33 AM

Quote from: illinest on December 05, 2017, 04:31:06 AM

It sounds like you guys are conveniently ignoring that Bitfinex was also flouting US law for years, just like BTC-e was. And given Bitfinex's lax KYC requirements and lack of any cryptocurrency withdrawal limits, what makes you think that the US government wouldn't charge them with conspiracy to launder money? Just because they haven't yet?

The BTC-e seizure was "cleaning house." It won't be the last. The only exchanges I'm comfortable dumping USD on right now are GDAX and Gemini.....

This is actually a valid concern, unlike anything that the OP has come up with. Bitfinex has taken the step of barring all US customers but yes there is a possibility that the US will still go after them for past offences.

past offences? Bitfinex is illegal in any country because ALL the jurisdictions require a financial license for what Bitfinex is doing.

Do you think that they don't need a license in EU or Australia or even Belize? Yes, they need it.

Bitfinex is like BTC-e and like many other unlicensed exchangers = fraudulent companies. These exchangers must be closed. Only when all the exchangers will be regulated, BTC will be mainstream.

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Quote from: illinest on December 05, 2017, 04:31:06 AM

It sounds like you guys are conveniently ignoring that Bitfinex was also flouting US law for years, just like BTC-e was. And given Bitfinex's lax KYC requirements and lack of any cryptocurrency withdrawal limits, what makes you think that the US government wouldn't charge them with conspiracy to launder money? Just because they haven't yet?

The BTC-e seizure was "cleaning house." It won't be the last. The only exchanges I'm comfortable dumping USD on right now are GDAX and Gemini.....

This is actually a valid concern, unlike anything that the OP has come up with. Bitfinex has taken the step of barring all US customers but yes there is a possibility that the US will still go after them for past offences.

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Quote from: TheQuin on December 05, 2017, 04:10:14 AM

You are trying to argue that Bitfinex is an "illegal company" because they don't comply with licensing requirements in the jurisdictions they are registered in by comparing it to BTC-e getting busted by the US Justice Dept for money laundering. Your logic and stretching of facts have hit a new low even for you.

I don't mean to pile on the FUD, but this seems like a straw man. The comparison between Bitfinex and BTC-e does not stem from money laundering. There were two charges in the BTC-e indictment. One was for money laundering. The other was for operating an unlicensed MSB. Why would BTC-e be guilty of the latter, but not Bitfinex?

It sounds like you guys are conveniently ignoring that Bitfinex was also flouting US law for years, just like BTC-e was. And given Bitfinex's lax KYC requirements and lack of any cryptocurrency withdrawal limits, what makes you think that the US government wouldn't charge them with conspiracy to launder money? Just because they haven't yet?

The BTC-e seizure was "cleaning house." It won't be the last. The only exchanges I'm comfortable dumping USD on right now are GDAX and Gemini.....

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Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 06:08:48 PM

I don't avoid any answer.

Yes, you did.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 06:08:48 PM

it's the same as it was with BTC-e. BTC-e was registered in Cyprus, UK and these ones didn't shut them down. US did it

please don't say that BTC-e was fully compliant with the laws in both those countries Cheesy

fully compliant = financial license and Bitfinex doesn't own any. that means it's an illegal exchanger beside the other frauds.

You are trying to argue that Bitfinex is an "illegal company" because they don't comply with licensing requirements in the jurisdictions they are registered in by comparing it to BTC-e getting busted by the US Justice Dept for money laundering. Your logic and stretching of facts have hit a new low even for you.

In other news:
https://www.coindesk.com/bitfinex-vs-bitfinexed-exchange-hires-law-firm-challenge-critics/

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Bitfinex has hired the law firm of Steptoe & Johnson and is threatening legal action against a pseudonymous blogger who it says have made false claims about the bitcoin exchange.

In a statement, Bitfinex said it hired Steptoe to respond to such claims with "appropriate action," including "possible litigation" against "various parties." Jason Weinstein, who leads the blockchain practice at Steptoe, confirmed its hiring by Bitfinex in an email.

Stuart Hoegner, the in-house counsel for Bitfinex, said in the statement:

"To date, every claim made by these bad actors has been patently false and made simply to agitate the cryptocurrency ecosystem. As a result, Bitfinex has decided to assert all of its legal rights and remedies against this agitator and his associates."

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Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:38:52 AM

Whether or not that information is out of date you cannot answer why neither the authorities in Hong Kong or the British Virgin Islands has either moved to shut them down or prosecute.

I don't believe that Hong Kong is relevant anymore. There used to be some parent company registrations there and supposedly some operations are still run from HK. But if you read Bitfinex's terms, all services are governed by British Virgin Islands law. BVI regulators haven't done anything for the same reason Bitfinex sought jurisdiction there. BVI is a rubber stamp regulator, like many independent island nations. They rarely enforce any laws against anyone. For anything.

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:38:52 AM

The very fact that hasn't happened is more than a strong indication that they are fully compliant with the laws in both those countries. All you can do is spout nonsense about them being an "illegal company" if that was the case they wouldn't still be going.

Whether Bitfinex is in compliance with BVI law is irrelevant when it comes to the US government waving its dick around. Compliance in the British Virgin Islands =/= Bitfinex is safe from regulatory or law enforcement action from other governments. Just look at BTC-e. Bitfinex offered services to US users since 2013, so the US government can/will claim jurisdiction if they want to come after Bitfinex.

Quote from: Quickseller on December 04, 2017, 06:27:20 PM

btc-e was actively laundering stolen money...

Supposedly. More importantly, BTC-e was also indicted for operating an unlicensed money service business, something that Bitfinex did in the USA for several years.

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Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 06:08:48 PM

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:38:52 AM

Why do you always ignore the pertinent question?

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 03:47:15 AM

If that was true why has the British Virgin Islands Financial Services Commission not shut them down?

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

If Bitfinex was unlicenced do you not think that the HK authorities would have shut them down?

Whether or not that information is out of date you cannot answer why neither the authorities in Hong Kong or the British Virgin Islands has either moved to shut them down or prosecute. The very fact that hasn't happened is more than a strong indication that they are fully compliant with the laws in both those countries. All you can do is spout nonsense about them being an "illegal company" if that was the case they wouldn't still be going.

I don't avoid any answer. it's the same as it was with BTC-e. BTC-e was registered in Cyprus, UK and these ones didn't shut them down. US did it

please don't say that BTC-e was fully compliant with the laws in both those countries Cheesy

fully compliant = financial license and Bitfinex doesn't own any. that means it's an illegal exchanger beside the other frauds.

btc-e was actively laundering stolen money...

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Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:38:52 AM

Why do you always ignore the pertinent question?

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 03:47:15 AM

If that was true why has the British Virgin Islands Financial Services Commission not shut them down?

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

If Bitfinex was unlicenced do you not think that the HK authorities would have shut them down?

Whether or not that information is out of date you cannot answer why neither the authorities in Hong Kong or the British Virgin Islands has either moved to shut them down or prosecute. The very fact that hasn't happened is more than a strong indication that they are fully compliant with the laws in both those countries. All you can do is spout nonsense about them being an "illegal company" if that was the case they wouldn't still be going.

I don't avoid any answer. it's the same as it was with BTC-e. BTC-e was registered in Cyprus, UK and these ones didn't shut them down. US did it

please don't say that BTC-e was fully compliant with the laws in both those countries Cheesy

fully compliant = financial license and Bitfinex doesn't own any. that means it's an illegal exchanger beside the other frauds.

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Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 11:23:38 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

You show me as evident some forums. I am not a sheep, mate. LOL

All you have done so far in this thread is making claims that have turned out to be false. I am far more inclined to believe 2 employees of Bitfinex over you.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

Please provide me a place on Bitfinex website where it's referring to this license.

https://www.bitfinex.com/legal/terms

Governing Law: These Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands, and shall be interpreted in all respects as a British Virgin Islands contract. Any claim or action arising from or related to these Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands

Where do you see HK where do you see any financial license number?

The absence of that implies nothing.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

I can make a website and saying on forums that I am bank. Am I a bank?

You could, but you would be very unlikely to gain any customers whereas Bitfinex is extremely successful. If your claims had even the smallest hint of truth in them that would not be the case.

If Bitfinex was unlicenced do you not think that the HK authorities would have shut them down?

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RENRENBEE LIMITED was incorporated on 08-MAR-2013. This company is now live.

It's not like they just sprung up and nobody had time to prosecute them.

Maybe you are part of their staff. Grin

Recommendation: https://eservices.customs.gov.hk/MSOS/wsrh/001s1?searchBy=R

See if you can find any RENRENBEE LIMITED.

RENRENBEE LIMITED it's not licensed anymore. RENRENBEE LIMITED is simple registered company and nothing more. The website is referring to Bitfinex as a BVI company, period.

The absence of the license number from the Bitfinex website implies that they are not licensed.

What company would have a financial license and it will keep hidden ? Also, the LAW requires them to publish their license number on website. I said that for 4-5 times already

You don't have to believe me. Ask Bitfinex to provide you this information (their financial license number). It MUST be a public information.
Don't try to fool us, mate.

I actually did info about license number:

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RenRenBee is licensed as a Money Services Operator by the Hong Kong Customs and Excise Department (Licence No.130901265)

Funny enough I did found it in tether whitepaper, along with this:

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Tether is registered as a Money Services Business with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network of the U.S. Department of the Treasury (MSB Registration Number 31000058542968)

But the sad thing about it - both of this licenses does not check out with corresponding agencies. You can check it yourself using these links:
https://eservices.customs.gov.hk/MSOS/wsrh/001s1
https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-search

In best case scenario - Tether/Bitfinex had these licenses at some point, but decided not to renew em after banking cut (no more links with customer funds - no AML/KYC for clients)
Worst case scenario - these 'licenses' were manufactured to gain community trust

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Why do you always ignore the pertinent question?

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 03:47:15 AM

If that was true why has the British Virgin Islands Financial Services Commission not shut them down?

Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

If Bitfinex was unlicenced do you not think that the HK authorities would have shut them down?

Whether or not that information is out of date you cannot answer why neither the authorities in Hong Kong or the British Virgin Islands has either moved to shut them down or prosecute. The very fact that hasn't happened is more than a strong indication that they are fully compliant with the laws in both those countries. All you can do is spout nonsense about them being an "illegal company" if that was the case they wouldn't still be going.

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Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

You show me as evident some forums. I am not a sheep, mate. LOL

All you have done so far in this thread is making claims that have turned out to be false. I am far more inclined to believe 2 employees of Bitfinex over you.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

Please provide me a place on Bitfinex website where it's referring to this license.

https://www.bitfinex.com/legal/terms

Governing Law: These Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands, and shall be interpreted in all respects as a British Virgin Islands contract. Any claim or action arising from or related to these Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands

Where do you see HK where do you see any financial license number?

The absence of that implies nothing.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

I can make a website and saying on forums that I am bank. Am I a bank?

You could, but you would be very unlikely to gain any customers whereas Bitfinex is extremely successful. If your claims had even the smallest hint of truth in them that would not be the case.

If Bitfinex was unlicenced do you not think that the HK authorities would have shut them down?

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RENRENBEE LIMITED was incorporated on 08-MAR-2013. This company is now live.

It's not like they just sprung up and nobody had time to prosecute them.

Maybe you are part of their staff. Grin

Recommendation: https://eservices.customs.gov.hk/MSOS/wsrh/001s1?searchBy=R

See if you can find any RENRENBEE LIMITED.

RENRENBEE LIMITED it's not licensed anymore. RENRENBEE LIMITED is simple registered company and nothing more. The website is referring to Bitfinex as a BVI company, period.

The absence of the license number from the Bitfinex website implies that they are not licensed.

What company would have a financial license and it will keep hidden ? Also, the LAW requires them to publish their license number on website. I said that for 4-5 times already

You don't have to believe me. Ask Bitfinex to provide you this information (their financial license number). It MUST be a public information.
Don't try to fool us, mate.

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Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

You show me as evident some forums. I am not a sheep, mate. LOL

All you have done so far in this thread is making claims that have turned out to be false. I am far more inclined to believe 2 employees of Bitfinex over you.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

Please provide me a place on Bitfinex website where it's referring to this license.

https://www.bitfinex.com/legal/terms

Governing Law: These Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands, and shall be interpreted in all respects as a British Virgin Islands contract. Any claim or action arising from or related to these Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands

Where do you see HK where do you see any financial license number?

The absence of that implies nothing.

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 10:52:27 AM

I can make a website and saying on forums that I am bank. Am I a bank?

You could, but you would be very unlikely to gain any customers whereas Bitfinex is extremely successful. If your claims had even the smallest hint of truth in them that would not be the case.

If Bitfinex was unlicenced do you not think that the HK authorities would have shut them down?

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RENRENBEE LIMITED was incorporated on 08-MAR-2013. This company is now live.

It's not like they just sprung up and nobody had time to prosecute them.

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Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 10:04:59 AM

Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 09:31:31 AM

Bitfinex is registered in Hong Kong and holds the relevant MSO license it needs to trade from there.

Please provide an evidence for that. Bitfinex doesn't have ANY financial license anywhere so they cannot request any KYC documents. Any financial license company MUST have a real office with staff and everything the law requires. Also, all the financial license companies must show their license number on their website ; look to websites like Coinbase, Bitstamp, Gemini and to any other licensed forex company.

Bitfinex doesn't have any physical office. The so called office from HK belongs to a lawyer who registered their company.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2dohjg/im_josh_rossi_from_bitfinex_here_to_talk_about/cjtxire/

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We do currently have a Money Services Operator license in Hong Kong, which does come with a lot of oversight and obligations. We are required to maintain an office, and staff compliance officers, submit identification documents for our higher level employees, along with being available for inspections. So, while no body has stepped forth to lay out the rules under which all bitcoin exchanges must comply, we feel that we have done the best we can given the uncertainty of the regulatory atmosphere by emulating best practices in similar industries and complying with local regulation wherever necessary.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2dqyng/who_is_bitfinexs_banking_partner/

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Bitfinex operates under a Hong Kong corporation, Renrenbee Limited (holder of the MSO license), which is wholly owned by a BVI corporation, iFinex Ltd. (our holding company).

https://hkdir.co/co/renrenbee-limited

You show me as evidence some forums. I am not a sheep, mate. LOL

Please provide me a place on Bitfinex website where it's referring to this license.

https://www.bitfinex.com/legal/terms

Governing Law: These Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands, and shall be interpreted in all respects as a British Virgin Islands contract. Any claim or action arising from or related to these Terms of Service shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the British Virgin Islands

Where do you see HK, where do you see any financial license number? Remember, a license is NOT a secret and it must be publish on their website IF exists

I can make a website and saying on forums that I am bank. Am I a bank?

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Quote from: mayax on December 04, 2017, 09:31:31 AM

Bitfinex is registered in Hong Kong and holds the relevant MSO license it needs to trade from there.

Please provide an evidence for that. Bitfinex doesn't have ANY financial license anywhere so they cannot request any KYC documents. Any financial license company MUST have a real office with staff and everything the law requires. Also, all the financial license companies must show their license number on their website ; look to websites like Coinbase, Bitstamp, Gemini and to any other licensed forex company.

Bitfinex doesn't have any physical office. The so called office from HK belongs to a lawyer who registered their company.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2dohjg/im_josh_rossi_from_bitfinex_here_to_talk_about/cjtxire/

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We do currently have a Money Services Operator license in Hong Kong, which does come with a lot of oversight and obligations. We are required to maintain an office, and staff compliance officers, submit identification documents for our higher level employees, along with being available for inspections. So, while no body has stepped forth to lay out the rules under which all bitcoin exchanges must comply, we feel that we have done the best we can given the uncertainty of the regulatory atmosphere by emulating best practices in similar industries and complying with local regulation wherever necessary.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2dqyng/who_is_bitfinexs_banking_partner/

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Bitfinex operates under a Hong Kong corporation, Renrenbee Limited (holder of the MSO license), which is wholly owned by a BVI corporation, iFinex Ltd. (our holding company).

https://hkdir.co/co/renrenbee-limited

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Quote from: TheQuin on December 04, 2017, 03:47:15 AM

Quote from: mayax on December 03, 2017, 07:41:08 PM

the only "large corporate customer" for Tether is Bitfinex itself.

As has been pointed out to you already Bitfinex's customers' buyer Tethers is not even remotely suspicious.

Quote from: Samarkand on December 03, 2017, 02:08:53 PM

If this was the case, you should be easily able to name 3 companies that were affected by the banking issues in Taiwan aside from Bitfinex and Tether.
I´m waiting for your reply.

I'll give you one, Okex. It was the case that it was a Taiwanese crack down on banks requiring higher levels of AML and KYC for cryptocurrency exchanges and not a problem specific to Tether.

Quote from: mayax on December 03, 2017, 10:25:32 AM

it is very strange that KYC procedure is made by an illegal company without any financial license.

It would be, but as Tether is not an "illegal company" it is perfectly normal that when someone makes a withdrawal request for $1m that they would need to satisfy KYC and AML so that Tether did not put itself in the position of getting prosecuted for money laundering.

Quote from: mayax on December 03, 2017, 10:25:32 AM

Bitfinex is out of law even in BVI where they are registered. BVI requires a financial license for the services that Bitfinex is doing.

If that was true why has the British Virgin Islands Financial Services Commission not shut them down?

As ever you are misinformed. iFinex Limited the parent holding company is registered in BVI. Bitfinex is registered in Hong Kong and holds the relevant MSO license it needs to trade from there.

Bitfinex is registered in Hong Kong and holds the relevant MSO license it needs to trade from there.

Please provide an evidence for that. Bitfinex doesn't have ANY financial license anywhere so they cannot request any KYC documents. Any financial license company MUST have a real office with staff and everything the law requires. Also, all the financial license companies must show their license number on their website ; look to websites like Coinbase, Bitstamp, Gemini and to any other licensed forex company.

Bitfinex doesn't have any physical office. The so called office from HK belongs to a lawyer who registered their company.

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Quote from: mayax on December 03, 2017, 07:41:08 PM

the only "large corporate customer" for Tether is Bitfinex itself.

As has been pointed out to you already Bitfinex's customers' buyer Tethers is not even remotely suspicious.

Quote from: Samarkand on December 03, 2017, 02:08:53 PM

If this was the case, you should be easily able to name 3 companies that were affected by the banking issues in Taiwan aside from Bitfinex and Tether.
I´m waiting for your reply.

I'll give you one, Okex. It was the case that it was a Taiwanese crack down on banks requiring higher levels of AML and KYC for cryptocurrency exchanges and not a problem specific to Tether.

Quote from: mayax on December 03, 2017, 10:25:32 AM

it is very strange that KYC procedure is made by an illegal company without any financial license.

It would be, but as Tether is not an "illegal company" it is perfectly normal that when someone makes a withdrawal request for $1m that they would need to satisfy KYC and AML so that Tether did not put itself in the position of getting prosecuted for money laundering.

Quote from: mayax on December 03, 2017, 10:25:32 AM

Bitfinex is out of law even in BVI where they are registered. BVI requires a financial license for the services that Bitfinex is doing.

If that was true why has the British Virgin Islands Financial Services Commission not shut them down?

As ever you are misinformed. iFinex Limited the parent holding company is registered in BVI. Bitfinex is registered in Hong Kong and holds the relevant MSO license it needs to trade from there.

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Quote from: romani245 on December 03, 2017, 07:27:05 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on December 03, 2017, 03:56:41 PM

Quote from: illyiller on December 03, 2017, 03:52:29 PM

They are running out of excuses for their inability to redeem USDT,

The fact that USDT almost always trades very close to $1 disagrees with this assertion.

Can regular customers redeem Tether, though? I remember seeing reports that no one could redeem any as of months ago. Maybe it's true that "only large corporate customers" can, but no one can confirm that anyone can at all. No funds have come forward and said they use Tether.

I tend to distrust companies unless proven otherwise.

There are other market factors at play, like lack of market information re: fundamentals, need for short term USD rails that outweigh third party risk, etc.

what large corporate customers would use a company like Bitfinex? Let's get real. These are only inventions. There are no large corporate clients

the only "large corporate customer" for Tether is Bitfinex itself.

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Quote from: Quickseller on December 03, 2017, 03:56:41 PM

Quote from: illyiller on December 03, 2017, 03:52:29 PM

They are running out of excuses for their inability to redeem USDT,

The fact that USDT almost always trades very close to $1 disagrees with this assertion.

Can regular customers redeem Tether, though? I remember seeing reports that no one could redeem any as of months ago. Maybe it's true that "only large corporate customers" can, but no one can confirm that anyone can at all. No funds have come forward and said they use Tether.

I tend to distrust companies unless proven otherwise.

There are other market factors at play, like lack of market information re: fundamentals, need for short term USD rails that outweigh third party risk, etc.

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I know that exchanges aren't fully honest and most of them do this kind of stuff. Take Yobit by example, I am tired of that shit listing shit coins with no blockchain and using fake volumes. And also people use bots to make the sam damn thing, manipulation. This won't stop and all we can do is use the trusteable exchanges only.

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Quote from: Quickseller on December 03, 2017, 03:56:41 PM

Quote from: illyiller on December 03, 2017, 03:52:29 PM

They are running out of excuses for their inability to redeem USDT,

The fact that USDT almost always trades very close to $1 disagrees with this assertion.

Sure, because hundreds of millions of fake USDT were pumped until now.

...or maybe a smart institutional investor sent its money to the Bitfinex black hole banks to buy tethers to buy bitcoin. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: illyiller on December 03, 2017, 03:52:29 PM

They are running out of excuses for their inability to redeem USDT,

The fact that USDT almost always trades very close to $1 disagrees with this assertion.

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