Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 127.

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Quote from: Darthswan on July 17, 2017, 03:07:21 PM

Was there ever any conclusion on the error message:

Hardware Version Socket connect failed: Connection refused

I'm just going to have to break down and send this miner in. If it's a software thing, I would like to try and work that out before.

I've tried reseting the miner, both through online and pushing the button, and the miner doesn't seem to reset. Is there a way to ssh into the miner and reset through there?

Thanks in advance.

You'd have to look at the log; "Socket connect failed: Connection refused" is the default message until the miner is hashing.

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Was there ever any conclusion on the error message:

Hardware Version Socket connect failed: Connection refused

I'm just going to have to break down and send this miner in. If it's a software thing, I would like to try and work that out before.

I've tried reseting the miner, both through online and pushing the button, and the miner doesn't seem to reset. Is there a way to ssh into the miner and reset through there?

Thanks in advance.

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Bitmain has the S9 for sale again. Just picked up 2 + 2PSU for under $2,500 shipped to US.

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 13, 2017, 03:58:02 PM

Quote from: VentMine on July 13, 2017, 03:52:52 PM

...What I DO know is that the attack vector EXISTS, like you seem to acknowledge. Therefore, someone COULD be using it and we wouldn't know based on its very nature...

And yet you only sling accusations towards a single company and not any one of 100 different pools that could have utilized the same tech that is in the "sizable purchase" you want to make. How do we know your "outrage" isn't just a cover for your intention of using "covert" asicboost? Roll Eyes

This will be my last post on this off-topic for the sake of halting spam in this thread..

Assuming there are indeed some pools using covert-AB, i.e. Bitmain has a VIP list, this means unfair mining advantage = centralization of mining / no more competition = protocol upgrades must be allowed by the mining 'kings' = Bitcoin is a failed experiment. I don't want Bitcoin to fail, nor should you (however maybe you don't care considering you pump alt/shitcoin mining..). If this is going on and Bitmain owns it (patent), I would be OK with it if, as a customer of Bitmain, that I and everyone else who buys their product is given access. Bitmain would still gain from the patent (for 20 years) by limiting competing manufacturers, but they at least wouldn't be fucking over their non-VIP customers and destroying PoW consensus mechanism which is the very basis of Bitcoins value...

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@gbBit
when you do the expanded numbers, for every 2 you buy from amazon, you could by 3 direct, throw 1 in the trash bin and still come out ahead vs paying someone else's profit margin on Amazon. Wink

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Quote from: numnutz2009 on July 14, 2017, 08:05:26 AM

...uk there is a nicer way to say things and still make ur opinions known...

There's no "opinion" about it.
If you pick one of the least profitable coins to mine (forsaking more profitable coins), then it is not the S9 that is unprofitable (it's your choices that are unprofitable).
FACT!

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 14, 2017, 07:44:40 AM

Quote from: numnutz2009 on July 14, 2017, 06:50:34 AM

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 13, 2017, 03:46:43 PM

It's so cute when I see people crying that equipment has no return and it's more due to the fact that they are married to a specific coin rather than fully utilizing the equipment. Cheesy

not this again....come on bud....its been quiet for weeks and i even saw a couple helpful comments from u towards other members. dont back away from that now lol. let others do what they wanna do....theres no harm in letting them mine the way they feel comfy mining.

I'm helpful when help is possible and I call out bullshit when bullshit is present.
S9s are designed to mine SHA-256 coins .
If you pick one of the least profitable coins to mine (forsaking more profitable coins), then it is not the S9 that is unprofitable (it's your choices that are unprofitable).

i agree but the way u went about it was a little more rude than it needed to be lol. uk there is a nicer way to say things and still make ur opinions known. no one ever responds well to being called an idiot or bein made to feel like they are ignorant. not that u called him an idiot of course...just an example.

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Quote from: numnutz2009 on July 14, 2017, 06:50:34 AM

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 13, 2017, 03:46:43 PM

It's so cute when I see people crying that equipment has no return and it's more due to the fact that they are married to a specific coin rather than fully utilizing the equipment. Cheesy

not this again....come on bud....its been quiet for weeks and i even saw a couple helpful comments from u towards other members. dont back away from that now lol. let others do what they wanna do....theres no harm in letting them mine the way they feel comfy mining.

I'm helpful when help is possible and I call out bullshit when bullshit is present.
S9s are designed to mine SHA-256 coins .
If you pick one of the least profitable coins to mine (forsaking more profitable coins), then it is not the S9 that is unprofitable (it's your choices that are unprofitable).

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Quote from: gbBit on July 14, 2017, 02:56:36 AM

There's plenty to read in this thread regarding the reliability of S9s. Today I was looking at a S9 on Amazon and I saw they offer for purchase a "Service Warranty" with S9s. The cost of the warranty is $50 for 2 years and $150 for 3 years. The miners themselves are about twice as much as buying from Bitmain, but with considering the miner would arrive in a few days, there's no cost of shipping, and no worries about customs I think the warranties are valued around $450 for 2 years or $550 for 3 years. My question is does anyone think this is worth it? Also has anyone ever dealt with the company Assurant before? Are they just as bad as Bitmain?

S9 on Amazon: $2150 with shipping

S9 from Bitmain: $1100
Shipping from Bitmain: $50
2 month wait from Bitmain: $600 (opportunity cost)
Potential Customs: Huh

I hate to be the one to burst ur bubble but the protection plan mentioned is for desktop computers and NOT for bitcoin miners. u will basically spend your money on a service plan that wont ever be allowed to be used with "Assurant".

Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 13, 2017, 03:46:43 PM

It's so cute when I see people crying that equipment has no return and it's more due to the fact that they are married to a specific coin rather than fully utilizing the equipment. Cheesy

not this again....come on bud....its been quiet for weeks and i even saw a couple helpful comments from u towards other members. dont back away from that now lol. let others do what they wanna do....theres no harm in letting them mine the way they feel comfy mining.

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There's plenty to read in this thread regarding the reliability of S9s. Today I was looking at a S9 on Amazon and I saw they offer for purchase a "Service Warranty" with S9s. The cost of the warranty is $50 for 2 years and $150 for 3 years. The miners themselves are about twice as much as buying from Bitmain, but with considering the miner would arrive in a few days, there's no cost of shipping, and no worries about customs I think the warranties are valued around $450 for 2 years or $550 for 3 years. My question is does anyone think this is worth it? Also has anyone ever dealt with the company Assurant before? Are they just as bad as Bitmain?

S9 on Amazon: $2150 with shipping

S9 from Bitmain: $1100
Shipping from Bitmain: $50
2 month wait from Bitmain: $600 (opportunity cost)
Potential Customs: Huh

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Or in the real world (with BTC @ $2,350, mining only BTC, and ignoring avg. 4% bi-weekly diff increase):
Rig                        Cost $               Cost BTC                     Speed            Daily Earn            Days to Return      Total @ 365 days      365 Elec (@ $0.10)      365 day clear profit
AvalonMiner 741             $714.00          0.30382979         7.3 TH/s         0.00226107               134.4                  0.82529055             $1,161.72                          $777.71
Antminer S9                $1,099.00          0.46765957         13.5TH/s         0.00418143               111.8                  1.52622195             $1,278.36                          $2,308.26

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Quote from: VentMine on July 13, 2017, 03:40:53 PM

Quote from: mindrust on July 13, 2017, 03:02:21 PM

Avalon 7's actually do have a shorter ROI time than ****main's s9's. They are not as effective as S9's when it comes to power efficiency but that's a small price for not supporting a p.o.s company.

#UASF

I'm not sure exactly how this example was calculated, but based on my numbers:
Antminer S9 = $81.41 $/TH & 0.098 J/GH

compared to

Avalon 741 = 97.81 $/TH & 0.158 J/GH

Antminer will always pay off sooner, lower capital cost, better power efficiency

Do you add the miner's initial purchase cost into your calculations? If not, add those and then it will make sense a lot. Cool

I didn't say Avalon 7 is a better miner than s9, it sure isn't. But it is cheaper and according to nicehash it's ROI is faster.

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Quote from: VentMine on July 13, 2017, 03:52:52 PM

...What I DO know is that the attack vector EXISTS, like you seem to acknowledge. Therefore, someone COULD be using it and we wouldn't know based on its very nature...

And yet you only sling accusations towards a single company and not any one of 100 different pools that could have utilized the same tech that is in the "sizable purchase" you want to make. How do we know your "outrage" isn't just a cover for your intention of using "covert" asicboost? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: not.you on July 13, 2017, 03:43:23 PM

With this kind of math why would anyone buy an S9 now? I regret buying this one from back in Jan.

Fair points. Myself, I have a proof of concept to establish for one (more on that in the future), but I do believe it is profitable, at least if power costs are low and one can wait for the price to appreciate before they need to sell the BTC to cover power costs.

Cheers

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 13, 2017, 03:21:48 PM

Quote from: VentMine on July 13, 2017, 02:52:42 PM

You say covert-asicboost attack vector doesn't exist? Can you reference something to back-up this claim?...

I love guys like you! Your comedic entertainment value is priceless! Kiss

Your whole thesis is "you can't prove that Bitmain didn't do some covert stuff, therefore they did some covert stuff"!
LMFAO
Wake me when you come back to reality and perhaps we can have a conversation.....

P.S. - To the best of my knowledge, Maxwell never said they did it, or that it was ever done, just that it could be done; if I'm wrong in that, please feel free to provide evidence of covert being done.

I've said in my previous posts that I, nor anyone like you say about Maxwell, have no proof that covert Asicboost is being used by anyone, even Bitmain. What I DO know is that the attack vector EXISTS, like you seem to acknowledge. Therefore, someone COULD be using it and we wouldn't know based on its very nature. Circumstantial evidence, such as the public patents by Bitmain, indicate they MAY be using it. In fact, why the F*** would they NOT be using it if they went through several hundred thousand dollars worth of legal expenses to patent it, FFS.

But it doesn't matter, I've said before and I'll say it again, I don't fault anyone with access to it using it - game theory says everyone acts in their own best interest. Anything negative you may have perceived me to say about Bitmain, is against Bitmains current decisions, or more specifically Mr. Wu's statements and intent to stall Segwit. I have nothing against Bitmain the manufacturer, they make a superb product.

Anyways, I've fed you enough for today, feel free to answer my original question I would appreciate it.

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Now as there is a long waiting for delivery and varying quality with S9, it is best to go with AvalonMiner 741 or Ebit E9.

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It's so cute when I see people crying that equipment has no return and it's more due to the fact that they are married to a specific coin rather than fully utilizing the equipment. Cheesy

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Given the current amount these things make, and the delayed shipping, and the huge diff jumps we are still seeing, and the price, I can't believe anyone is still buying. I have one from Jan that I am still wondering about hitting ROI ever. The income is a trickle and that is not factoring electricity at all.

In fact here is what a 13.6 S9 is pulling in for me for a weeks worth of mining going back for the past 4 weeks. So those totals are the amount it made for the previous week of mining.

Sat 6/17 0.03983259
Sat 6/24 0.03746030
Sat 7/1 0.03617634
Sat 7/8 0.03455305

I still have .47 BTC for this one to ROI (disregarding electrical costs) which is almost exactly what a new one costs right now. Diff is about to jump 14% today. So even if diff stayed static after that I am looking at about 0.02971562 per week so still 15.8 weeks to ROI, so just call it 4 months. Basically this machine will be mining for a full year to ROI, if it ever even does.

With this kind of math why would anyone buy an S9 now? I regret buying this one from back in Jan.

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Quote from: mindrust on July 13, 2017, 03:02:21 PM

Avalon 7's actually do have a shorter ROI time than ****main's s9's. They are not as effective as S9's when it comes to power efficiency but that's a small price for not supporting a p.o.s company.

#UASF

I'm not sure exactly how this example was calculated, but based on my numbers:
Antminer S9 = $81.41 $/TH & 0.098 J/GH

compared to

Avalon 741 = 97.81 $/TH & 0.158 J/GH

Antminer will always pay off sooner, lower capital cost, better power efficiency

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Quote from: VentMine on July 13, 2017, 02:52:42 PM

You say covert-asicboost attack vector doesn't exist? Can you reference something to back-up this claim?...

I love guys like you! Your comedic entertainment value is priceless! Kiss

Your whole thesis is "you can't prove that Bitmain didn't do some covert stuff, therefore they did some covert stuff"!
LMFAO
Wake me when you come back to reality and perhaps we can have a conversation.....

P.S. - To the best of my knowledge, Maxwell never said they did it, or that it was ever done, just that it could be done; if I'm wrong in that, please feel free to provide evidence of covert being done.

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