Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 217.

TysonN

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As I see all miners are sold out at bitmaintech? https://shop.bitmain.com/main.htm?lang=en

Also I see the increasing price of the Bitcoin that's why I want to buy this miner and have found it on Aliexpress here http://ali.pub/a7b40

It costs $2,150.00/piece with Free Shipping to United States via DHL.
Estimated Delivery Time:6-13days
Only three pieces available.

Another seller's Total Price: US $1,748.27 - http://ali.pub/lti1n
With Estimated Delivery Time:8-16days
Also five orders and only two pieces available.

Why these prices are so different? Maybe I don't understand something?

philipma1957

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Quote from: Sierra8561 on October 31, 2016, 09:26:45 PM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 31, 2016, 09:22:40 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 31, 2016, 08:29:20 PM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 30, 2016, 04:07:09 AM

Hello everyone
S9 batch 2 price was around 2095 USD and with 0.1$ electricity cost its around 4 month (120 days) release of s9 batch 2
Revenue is around btc generated 1.7 btc and according to 700 price revenue is 1190 USD
electricity cost 120 days*34 unit each day = 4080 unit * 0.1$=408 USD
profit is 1190-408 = 782 USD
total expense of miner covered 2095-782 = 1313 USD
1313 USD is left to cover ROI

batch 18(11TH ,112$ per TH) price is approx 1440 USD of 12.93 TH approx calculation

so if nothing is done in this 120 days then after that in price of 1440 USD or less we can get miner in price of 1440 USD

there is not much difference in current price and how much left for ROI for earlier batches then what is the reason to take earlier batches Huh

i have s9s batch 2 but why to take earlier batches when we know price is going to be down this much ?

You mined at 10 cents a kwatt. That is not a great price for power.
You did okay at 10 cents. You could list that miner for about 1400 usd and turn a 87 dollar profit.

87 profit in your case using 10 cent power is not terrible.

Hint I am trying to explain that ten cent power is not that good for ASIC mining with the s9.

Six is good
eight is okay
ten is a little risky

What is electricity rates at your place ? And what should i do now sell the miners or continue to mine ?

I pay 6 cents. I'd consider buying yours, if you want to get rid of them.

Sounds like sunny163 and Sierra8561 could cut a deal.

@ Sunny163 at ten cents a kwatt if you can get 1400 you should sell your s9.

You won't lose money you will make a tiny amount of profit. You can also hold the coins you get for it and hope the btc price moves up.

I have a deal with buysolar I provide machines we split coins.. So when the gear first comes out he does better as difficulty raises I do better. But for us to profit we need to gear to not break down. We have had a lot of down time with the gear. As I type My third dead board will arrive at my home in a day or two. Just in time to replace my fourth dead board. Considering I have had only 18 boards for six machines death rate is 4/18 or 22.22%.

Sierra8561

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Quote from: sunny163 on October 31, 2016, 09:22:40 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 31, 2016, 08:29:20 PM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 30, 2016, 04:07:09 AM

Hello everyone
S9 batch 2 price was around 2095 USD and with 0.1$ electricity cost its around 4 month (120 days) release of s9 batch 2
Revenue is around btc generated 1.7 btc and according to 700 price revenue is 1190 USD
electricity cost 120 days*34 unit each day = 4080 unit * 0.1$=408 USD
profit is 1190-408 = 782 USD
total expense of miner covered 2095-782 = 1313 USD
1313 USD is left to cover ROI

batch 18(11TH ,112$ per TH) price is approx 1440 USD of 12.93 TH approx calculation

so if nothing is done in this 120 days then after that in price of 1440 USD or less we can get miner in price of 1440 USD

there is not much difference in current price and how much left for ROI for earlier batches then what is the reason to take earlier batches Huh

i have s9s batch 2 but why to take earlier batches when we know price is going to be down this much ?

You mined at 10 cents a kwatt. That is not a great price for power.
You did okay at 10 cents. You could list that miner for about 1400 usd and turn a 87 dollar profit.

87 profit in your case using 10 cent power is not terrible.

Hint I am trying to explain that ten cent power is not that good for ASIC mining with the s9.

Six is good
eight is okay
ten is a little risky

What is electricity rates at your place ? And what should i do now sell the miners or continue to mine ?

I pay 6 cents. I'd consider buying yours, if you want to get rid of them.

sunny163

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 31, 2016, 08:29:20 PM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 30, 2016, 04:07:09 AM

Hello everyone
S9 batch 2 price was around 2095 USD and with 0.1$ electricity cost its around 4 month (120 days) release of s9 batch 2
Revenue is around btc generated 1.7 btc and according to 700 price revenue is 1190 USD
electricity cost 120 days*34 unit each day = 4080 unit * 0.1$=408 USD
profit is 1190-408 = 782 USD
total expense of miner covered 2095-782 = 1313 USD
1313 USD is left to cover ROI

batch 18(11TH ,112$ per TH) price is approx 1440 USD of 12.93 TH approx calculation

so if nothing is done in this 120 days then after that in price of 1440 USD or less we can get miner in price of 1440 USD

there is not much difference in current price and how much left for ROI for earlier batches then what is the reason to take earlier batches Huh

i have s9s batch 2 but why to take earlier batches when we know price is going to be down this much ?

You mined at 10 cents a kwatt. That is not a great price for power.
You did okay at 10 cents. You could list that miner for about 1400 usd and turn a 87 dollar profit.

87 profit in your case using 10 cent power is not terrible.

Hint I am trying to explain that ten cent power is not that good for ASIC mining with the s9.

Six is good
eight is okay
ten is a little risky

What is electricity rates at your place ? And what should i do now sell the miners or continue to mine ?

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: sunny163 on October 30, 2016, 04:07:09 AM

Hello everyone
S9 batch 2 price was around 2095 USD and with 0.1$ electricity cost its around 4 month (120 days) release of s9 batch 2
Revenue is around btc generated 1.7 btc and according to 700 price revenue is 1190 USD
electricity cost 120 days*34 unit each day = 4080 unit * 0.1$=408 USD
profit is 1190-408 = 782 USD
total expense of miner covered 2095-782 = 1313 USD
1313 USD is left to cover ROI

batch 18(11TH ,112$ per TH) price is approx 1440 USD of 12.93 TH approx calculation

so if nothing is done in this 120 days then after that in price of 1440 USD or less we can get miner in price of 1440 USD

there is not much difference in current price and how much left for ROI for earlier batches then what is the reason to take earlier batches Huh

i have s9s batch 2 but why to take earlier batches when we know price is going to be down this much ?

You mined at 10 cents a kwatt. That is not a great price for power.
You did okay at 10 cents. You could list that miner for about 1400 usd and turn a 87 dollar profit.

87 profit in your case using 10 cent power is not terrible.

Hint I am trying to explain that ten cent power is not that good for ASIC mining with the s9.

Six is good
eight is okay
ten is a little risky

adamvp

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All the miners are sold out at bitmaintech?

mamiakimo

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Quote from: fvineyard on October 29, 2016, 10:28:20 PM

So a question about S9 HW errors. My S9 has always had much higher errors on the third board, which also had the highest temps, but still within acceptable ranges.

About three weeks ago, now board 1 with the lowest temps on average is showing a much higher error rate. More than the other two boards combined. The overall HW error rate over time is .0033 with an uptime of 2 1/2 days.

Is this something I should worry about? Is there anything I can even do about this or just ride it out until that board fails?

Thanks!

Below is the current error rate:

Chain#   ASIC#   Frequency   GH/S(RT)    HW    Temp(PCB)   Temp(Chip)
1    63    600       4286.07 20937    64       95

3    63    600       4267.80 124 66       95

4    63    600       4293.49 1863 70       99

happen to me with B9 after 2 months on the middle board

sunny163

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Hello everyone
S9 batch 2 price was around 2095 USD and with 0.1$ electricity cost its around 4 month (120 days) release of s9 batch 2
Revenue is around btc generated 1.7 btc and according to 700 price revenue is 1190 USD
electricity cost 120 days*34 unit each day = 4080 unit * 0.1$=408 USD
profit is 1190-408 = 782 USD
total expense of miner covered 2095-782 = 1313 USD
1313 USD is left to cover ROI

batch 18(11TH ,112$ per TH) price is approx 1440 USD of 12.93 TH approx calculation

so if nothing is done in this 120 days then after that in price of 1440 USD or less we can get miner in price of 1440 USD

there is not much difference in current price and how much left for ROI for earlier batches then what is the reason to take earlier batches Huh

i have s9s batch 2 but why to take earlier batches when we know price is going to be down this much ?

fvineyard

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So a question about S9 HW errors. My S9 has always had much higher errors on the third board, which also had the highest temps, but still within acceptable ranges.

About three weeks ago, now board 1 with the lowest temps on average is showing a much higher error rate. More than the other two boards combined. The overall HW error rate over time is .0033 with an uptime of 2 1/2 days.

Is this something I should worry about? Is there anything I can even do about this or just ride it out until that board fails?

Thanks!

Below is the current error rate:

Chain#   ASIC#   Frequency   GH/S(RT)    HW    Temp(PCB)   Temp(Chip)
1    63    600       4286.07 20937    64       95

3    63    600       4267.80 124 66       95

4    63    600       4293.49 1863 70       99

wolfen

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Quote from: HagssFIN on October 29, 2016, 05:22:44 AM

There was previously discussion in this thread about if anyone has gone past the 650Mhz frequency.
Well, I did a little overclocking with my 11.85Th/s model S9 and it is performing surprisingly well.
I'm running it at 662.5Mhz frequency, 14.1Th/s with ok temps.
I'll probably have to underclock it though when the summer comes in 2017.
(Click for bigger picture)

Probably want to keep HWE at .002% or below. Just chain/board #2 throwing most of them.

HagssFIN

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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.

There was previously discussion in this thread about if anyone has gone past the 650Mhz frequency.
Well, I did a little overclocking with my 11.85Th/s model S9 and it is performing surprisingly well.
I'm running it at 662.5Mhz frequency, 14.1Th/s with ok temps.
I'll probably have to underclock it though when the summer comes in 2017.
(Click for bigger picture)

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The new antminer one looks pretty good. Unfortunately, for me I do not see mining as that profitable anymore. But if you have the circumstances for profitable mining, I could recommend this miner.

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Quote from: not.you on October 28, 2016, 12:28:42 PM

Quote from: HagssFIN on October 28, 2016, 10:17:19 AM

Well, BW.com has at least four 14nm miners that I know: BW B11, BW B11-PLUS, BW B12 and BW B16.
No public release for sales though.

If that's true then I stand corrected. I knew they had some currently competitive chips but I thought they were 16 and not 14.

BW has always used Samsung for their Foundry and Samsung only does the 14nm tech. (and 22, 28 and higher as well but different plants) Primarily for their own usage (phones/tablets, etc) but somehow the BW group struck a deal with them for boutique ASIC mining chips. The only other Foundry (aside from Intel/IBM) doing 14nm is GloFo who tried to develop their own process for it but eventually ended up licensing parts of the 14nm process tech from Samsung.

The 16nm FinFET process was TSMC's answer to reaching the 14nm node. Not quite there but pretty close and more importantly, substantially better process yield for chips delivered to equipment makers. (In our case, miners) Of course as the end users are finding out... to me at least, long term chip stability/performance is -- still not there yet vs the now mature 22nm and higher nodes.

sidehack

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Wonder why Bitfury would parallel dev on 16nm and 14nm? Also, from what I understand BW is currently in their 3rd revision 14nm chip.

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Quote from: not.you on October 28, 2016, 12:28:42 PM

Quote from: HagssFIN on October 28, 2016, 10:17:19 AM

Well, BW.com has at least four 14nm miners that I know: BW B11, BW B11-PLUS, BW B12 and BW B16.
No public release for sales though.

If that's true then I stand corrected. I knew they had some currently competitive chips but I thought they were 16 and not 14.

The bitfury containerized data center supposedly has 14nm as well. I'm beginning to wonder if they truly exist, never seen or heard a thing about them other than the bitfury website.

not.you

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Quote from: HagssFIN on October 28, 2016, 10:17:19 AM

Well, BW.com has at least four 14nm miners that I know: BW B11, BW B11-PLUS, BW B12 and BW B16.
No public release for sales though.

If that's true then I stand corrected. I knew they had some currently competitive chips but I thought they were 16 and not 14.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2016, 10:04:12 PM

Quote from: edonkey on October 27, 2016, 09:48:20 PM

Quote from: Biodom on October 27, 2016, 07:06:36 PM

what's up with pinching extra $20 by not adjusting btc price.
Isn't it a globally traded asset with real time price indication?

It seems like they've always manually adjusted their price on the site. Maybe they're afraid of automatic adjustments and the affect of larger price swings.

sometimes you win out on a drop. I have done it once in a while.

watch the numbers changing real-time or almost real-time when item is not for sale as now.
it means that someone is actively interfering with this setup once item is for sale, can have no excuses that it is the web interface problem.

philipma1957

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Quote from: not.you on October 28, 2016, 10:12:20 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2016, 04:12:32 AM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 28, 2016, 01:15:20 AM

Quote from: in2tactics on October 28, 2016, 01:14:01 AM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 28, 2016, 12:57:15 AM

Now it is time to buy S9 batch 19,20 or to wait for new s10 or s11
because in s7 during this much batches the s9 was released so when to expect new miner ?

BMT has no reason to release another miner. They have absolutely zero competition on the 14/16 nm node.

but in one exhibition it was shown that 14nm then 10 nm then 7 nm

yeah I saw those photos. but here is the deal the `14 nm chips all over the world from BMT to Intel have had issues .

Size matters the smaller you go the more voltage issues of leaking occur.

look for the 14nm design to stick around 2x to 3x longrt then the 28 nm size.

If BMT makes a new miner the s11 it may have an upgraded 14nm chip.

It may use more of the same chip at lower volts.

It will not be for sale until another company drops a new miner that is close in quality to the s9.

the miner below is said to exsist

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16681727

10 th at 1000 watts if this is sold at 899 - 999 usd it would be better then the s9.

If this goes on sale in under 1 month and does not crash and burn. It would push BMT

You mean 16nm here, 14nm bitcoin mining asic chips do not exist as far as anyone in the public knows. But otherwise you are right about everything else you say here in my estimation. Actually now that I think on it I vaguely recall someone suggesting they were going to skip 14 and work on a 10nm design (maybe bitfury?) but even if true it would be years away right now. I think we have at least another year of 16nm as king and probably more like a minimum of 2 years. But the competition could increase if a viable miner with bitfury chips drops (like lighteningasic) or canaan releases something with 16nm.

yeah I see 16/14 mentioned as if they are the same. but this ~~gem~~ GEN of chips has had the most problems with voltage leaking across the chips since this has the smallest space between the laser cut power tracks.

so I lump 14/16 together as same gen and it may prove to be the smallest we see for a long time.

I have read 10nm early designs are worse then the 14/16 with power leaking.

Engineers are clever dudes and dudettes so maybe good 10nm chips will come about in 3 years to 5 years.

I do think a better 14/16 chip will come about. maybe in a year.

But from now on boom boom boom 6 to 9 month much better asic mining gear is done.
as is 90 day ROI or on a piece of gear.

HagssFIN

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Well, BW.com has at least four 14nm miners that I know: BW B11, BW B11-PLUS, BW B12 and BW B16.
No public release for sales though.

not.you

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2016, 04:12:32 AM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 28, 2016, 01:15:20 AM

Quote from: in2tactics on October 28, 2016, 01:14:01 AM

Quote from: sunny163 on October 28, 2016, 12:57:15 AM

Now it is time to buy S9 batch 19,20 or to wait for new s10 or s11
because in s7 during this much batches the s9 was released so when to expect new miner ?

BMT has no reason to release another miner. They have absolutely zero competition on the 14/16 nm node.

but in one exhibition it was shown that 14nm then 10 nm then 7 nm

yeah I saw those photos. but here is the deal the `14 nm chips all over the world from BMT to Intel have had issues .

Size matters the smaller you go the more voltage issues of leaking occur.

look for the 14nm design to stick around 2x to 3x longrt then the 28 nm size.

If BMT makes a new miner the s11 it may have an upgraded 14nm chip.

It may use more of the same chip at lower volts.

It will not be for sale until another company drops a new miner that is close in quality to the s9.

the miner below is said to exsist

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16681727

10 th at 1000 watts if this is sold at 899 - 999 usd it would be better then the s9.

If this goes on sale in under 1 month and does not crash and burn. It would push BMT

You mean 16nm here, 14nm bitcoin mining asic chips do not exist as far as anyone in the public knows. But otherwise you are right about everything else you say here in my estimation. Actually now that I think on it I vaguely recall someone suggesting they were going to skip 14 and work on a 10nm design (maybe bitfury?) but even if true it would be years away right now. I think we have at least another year of 16nm as king and probably more like a minimum of 2 years. But the competition could increase if a viable miner with bitfury chips drops (like lighteningasic) or canaan releases something with 16nm.

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