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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 278. (Read 531298 times)

legendary
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not to mention the first couple of batches wont even run at the speeds they advertised....so they didn't make as much before halving as they should have.
Better than advertised. Could have been

S9 First Batch  14.0TH/s ± minus 5%  = 13,3Th/s
S9-B2 with 12.93TH/s ± minus 5% =12,28 TH/s
S9-B3 Limited Edition,        12.93TH/s ± minus 5% =12,28 TH/s
S9 Batch 5-Limited Edition, 11.85TH/s ± minus 5%=11,26TH/s

You must use Antpool
1-9 Batch1    14.0TH/S
10 Batch1    2/3 miner with 2 blade
11 Batch1     14.0TH/S
12 Batch2  12.93 TH/s
13,14 Batch3  12.93 TH/s
15-19 Batch5  11.85TH/s



Click on the picture


sr. member
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But but but... it's LIMITED EDISHIN, collectible almost, you'll have the honor of being among the million of other suckers who fell for that.

The good news is that whoever bought Batch 2 (or was it 3?) for under 3 BTC can now sell it for a nice ROI, considering that they mined perhaps half a coin by now.

Batch2 and Batch3 was the same, only difference in price . B3 was 100 USD more as B2

The same miner 12.93 TH/s is also B7 (3,20 BTC) and B9 with price 3.05 BTC

not to mention the first couple of batches wont even run at the speeds they advertised....so they didn't make as much before halving as they should have.
legendary
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Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

I think it is very stupid to look at the miner as a store of value. Miner is a tool afterall...

A miner is  btc in the disguise of a tool.

Asic miners and gpu's have been sold used time and time again


Sometimes they resell at premium price. 

An S-5 purchased on Jan 2 ,2015  was close to 300 from bitmaintech due to a price battle against spondoolies.

That same miner could be sold for more then 300  on April 22, 2015  due to the price war ending.

Many other times mining gear sells at premium prices.

When coins rose from 200 to 400 in fall of 2015  gear went up in price.

I can sell gear due to a good reputation here I never fuck anyone and always try to offer a bit of a deal.

So for instance  if:

 A) coins jumped to 1500
 B) bitmaintech sold new s-9's at 3000 usd
 C) I would or might sell my 5 s-9's  I would be sure to offer them a little lower price then anyone else.
 D) I would sell in btc
 E) I would sell to people that are prior buyers from me.


So for me  the price of this gear can be high as it wants to be.

frankly  this happened for me with sp20's

and did not happen for me with s-7's

I would not mind if it happens with the s-9's

Bitmain can learn a thing or two from philipma1957. It's too bad Bitmain has lost good reputation it once had with the mining community. Maybe it's too late or maybe not, but I hope Bitmain can correct the course it's on, start respecting the community. They can do that by honoring their promised warranty, producing quality products, and valuing their customers. To be honest, I have no hope they will ever do any of those worthy things, because they're greedy f*ckers out to get every penny from unsuspecting noobs and ignorants of the world. They're shady as f*ck.
legendary
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Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

I think it is very stupid to look at the miner as a store of value. Miner is a tool afterall...

A miner is  btc in the disguise of a tool.

Asic miners and gpu's have been sold used time and time again


Sometimes they resell at premium price. 

An S-5 purchased on Jan 2 ,2015  was close to 300 from bitmaintech due to a price battle against spondoolies.

That same miner could be sold for more then 300  on April 22, 2015  due to the price war ending.

Many other times mining gear sells at premium prices.

When coins rose from 200 to 400 in fall of 2015  gear went up in price.

I can sell gear due to a good reputation here I never fuck anyone and always try to offer a bit of a deal.

So for instance  if:

 A) coins jumped to 1500
 B) bitmaintech sold new s-9's at 3000 usd
 C) I would or might sell my 5 s-9's  I would be sure to offer them a little lower price then anyone else.
 D) I would sell in btc
 E) I would sell to people that are prior buyers from me.


So for me  the price of this gear can be high as it wants to be.

frankly  this happened for me with sp20's

and did not happen for me with s-7's

I would not mind if it happens with the s-9's
hero member
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Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

I think it is very stupid to look at the miner as a store of value. Miner is a tool afterall...
legendary
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Be sensible. If people keep buying S9's at this price nothing will change.
Just buy btc or hold your profits until demand causes them to stop screwing with us.
legendary
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well if you are in a 104f plus  spot   it could run but I would think you need to lower your freq clock  from 600 to 462 and set fans at


Will this lower the hashrate?
Certainly.
newbie
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well if you are in a 104f plus  spot   it could run but I would think you need to lower your freq clock  from 600 to 462 and set fans at


Will this lower the hashrate?
legendary
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The spec says Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C. What happens if I operate it in higher temperature than 40 °C?

oh running at 105.8f  = 41c will void warranty


well if you are in a 104f plus  spot   it could run but I would think you need to lower your freq clock  from 600 to 462 and set fans at

85%


here are lower freq results  but I lowered fan to 35%-40% for noise


 there are more then one screen shot to look at.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15456266
newbie
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The spec says Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C. What happens if I operate it in higher temperature than 40 °C?
newbie
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anybody download the 7-13-2106 S9 firware yet it looks like the S9 has a security flaw or they added something new I am afraid to try it ?
legendary
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It varies pretty often - Batches 7 and 9 only things available as of a few seconds ago.

hero member
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when the antminer S9 will be avaible again ?

It is available now. I see B7, B8, and B9 available on the website.
alh
legendary
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when the antminer S9 will be avaible again ?

Looks like Batch #9 (3.05 BTC), and Batch #8 (2.77 BTC) are back in stock. Just based on the price and hashrate, the slower miner is just a teeny bit better priced.
alh
legendary
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2. liquidate btc for $ or buy miners at btc peak  Grin.

rinse and repeat-profit as long as long term btc price is rising.
right now, btc price is rising, so buy and hold might be better than spending.

When you get #2 above worked out, could you just shoot me a PM? No need to bother everybody else....  Smiley

If that's too difficult, then maybe you could just tell me when the price of BTC has "bottomed out"!
newbie
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when the antminer S9 will be avaible again ?
legendary
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There are also philosophical reasons to not GPU mine despite the potential for profits.

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legendary
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What a disappointment. I'm not even tempted to buy at these prices.

Bitmain, there's lots of us waiting for your prices to make sense. Hurry up and find a reasonable price point.

To everyone else, stop paying these outrageous prices. Seriously. You're only enabling Bitmain to keep gouging.

They are not selling a ton of them.  I actually like this pricing and hope they do not budge much at all.

I think this is their best move keep the prices sky fucking high and slowly fill their hash nest with s-9's.

I would love to see batch 12 in august still be over 1700 usd.



lol you like the pricing becuase why ? they are selling hardware that may never ROI whats not to like haha

Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

My hope is since bitmaintech is  monopoly wise  king that they stall sales via high price.  They have zero need to rush as of today.   Soooo  the wise guys that purchased batches 1 and 2  will be the winners.

Bitmaintech can make growth in difficulty fully stall..  They did it before:

Sep 17 2015   59,335,351,234   4.17%   424,738,988 GH/s
Sep 04 2015   56,957,648,455   4.98%   407,718,729 GH/s
Aug 22 2015   54,256,630,328   2.95%   388,384,088 GH/s
Aug 08 2015   52,699,842,409   0.81%   377,240,166 GH/s
Jul 25 2015   52,278,304,846   2.35%   374,222,683 GH/s
Jul 11 2015   51,076,366,303   3.39%   365,618,871 GH/s
Jun 28 2015   49,402,014,931   -0.58%   353,633,397 GH/s
Jun 14 2015   49,692,386,355   4.42%   355,711,957 GH/s
May 31 2015   47,589,591,154   -2.50%   340,659,563 GH/s
May 17 2015   48,807,487,245   2.44%   349,377,603 GH/s
May 03 2015   47,643,398,018   0.07%   341,044,727 GH/s
Apr 19 2015   47,610,564,513   -3.71%   340,809,696 GH/s
Apr 05 2015   49,446,390,688   5.84%   353,951,052 GH/s
Mar 22 2015   46,717,549,645   -1.50%   334,417,246 GH/s
Mar 08 2015   47,427,554,951   1.59%   339,499,662 GH/s
Feb 22 2015   46,684,376,317   5.01%   334,179,783 GH/s
Feb 09 2015   44,455,415,962   7.71%   318,224,263 GH/s
Jan 27 2015   41,272,873,895   -6.14%   295,442,739 GH/s
Jan 12 2015   43,971,662,056   8.20%   314,761,417 GH/s
Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   3.00%   290,919,288 GH/s
Dec 17 2014   39,457,671,307   -1.37%   282,449,013 GH/s
Dec 02 2014   40,007,470,271   -0.73%   286,384,627 GH/s
Nov 18 2014   40,300,030,328   1.76%   288,478,854 GH/s
Nov 05 2014   39,603,666,252   10.05%   283,494,086 GH/s
Oct 23 2014   35,985,640,265   2.81%   257,595,247 GH/s
Oct 09 2014   35,002,482,026   0.98%   250,557,526 GH/s
Sep 25 2014   34,661,425,924   16.20%     248,116,151 GH/s



Start at sept 25 2014 to Sep 16th 2015

about 360 days 


  we went from 34,661,425,924 to 56,957,648,455

if we do this growth from now until July 8 2017  I will do very well.

Since they are in control  it suits them to play this game exactly like that  as it will max their profit.

And it also maxes my profit since I purchased batch 1 and 2 before the ½ ing.

Nice numbers but do you really have that much faith in bitmain to keep the price high? all they care about is thier own profit , once the purchase rate drops to a number they are not happy with they will drop the price 30% like they did with the s7 and later on down to 50% , if anything the smart thing to do is sell yours now and keep your mined coins and then buy back when the price drops in a few weeks.

Thats what I'm waiting on.

   I understand it is their game not ours  they have the big guns and sit at the table we  look for crumbs to fall off it.

I can only guess what to do.   I can see right now they are super solid like a mighty king so to speak.
Some kings were smart some were morons. They did suppress the diff during the s-5 run they did not during the s-7 run.
  The s-5 held price a long time.  The s-7 did not.  So for me to be sure that I am right would be dumb on my part.
I do have something going for me this go round lower power  cost risk  with the solar array deal and a back up position with the small Eth coin farm.

But you could turn out more correct then me.  Time will tell
legendary
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What a disappointment. I'm not even tempted to buy at these prices.

Bitmain, there's lots of us waiting for your prices to make sense. Hurry up and find a reasonable price point.

To everyone else, stop paying these outrageous prices. Seriously. You're only enabling Bitmain to keep gouging.

They are not selling a ton of them.  I actually like this pricing and hope they do not budge much at all.

I think this is their best move keep the prices sky fucking high and slowly fill their hash nest with s-9's.

I would love to see batch 12 in august still be over 1700 usd.



lol you like the pricing becuase why ? they are selling hardware that may never ROI whats not to like haha

Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

My hope is since bitmaintech is  monopoly wise  king that they stall sales via high price.  They have zero need to rush as of today.   Soooo  the wise guys that purchased batches 1 and 2  will be the winners.

Bitmaintech can make growth in difficulty fully stall..  They did it before:

Sep 17 2015   59,335,351,234   4.17%   424,738,988 GH/s
Sep 04 2015   56,957,648,455   4.98%   407,718,729 GH/s
Aug 22 2015   54,256,630,328   2.95%   388,384,088 GH/s
Aug 08 2015   52,699,842,409   0.81%   377,240,166 GH/s
Jul 25 2015   52,278,304,846   2.35%   374,222,683 GH/s
Jul 11 2015   51,076,366,303   3.39%   365,618,871 GH/s
Jun 28 2015   49,402,014,931   -0.58%   353,633,397 GH/s
Jun 14 2015   49,692,386,355   4.42%   355,711,957 GH/s
May 31 2015   47,589,591,154   -2.50%   340,659,563 GH/s
May 17 2015   48,807,487,245   2.44%   349,377,603 GH/s
May 03 2015   47,643,398,018   0.07%   341,044,727 GH/s
Apr 19 2015   47,610,564,513   -3.71%   340,809,696 GH/s
Apr 05 2015   49,446,390,688   5.84%   353,951,052 GH/s
Mar 22 2015   46,717,549,645   -1.50%   334,417,246 GH/s
Mar 08 2015   47,427,554,951   1.59%   339,499,662 GH/s
Feb 22 2015   46,684,376,317   5.01%   334,179,783 GH/s
Feb 09 2015   44,455,415,962   7.71%   318,224,263 GH/s
Jan 27 2015   41,272,873,895   -6.14%   295,442,739 GH/s
Jan 12 2015   43,971,662,056   8.20%   314,761,417 GH/s
Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   3.00%   290,919,288 GH/s
Dec 17 2014   39,457,671,307   -1.37%   282,449,013 GH/s
Dec 02 2014   40,007,470,271   -0.73%   286,384,627 GH/s
Nov 18 2014   40,300,030,328   1.76%   288,478,854 GH/s
Nov 05 2014   39,603,666,252   10.05%   283,494,086 GH/s
Oct 23 2014   35,985,640,265   2.81%   257,595,247 GH/s
Oct 09 2014   35,002,482,026   0.98%   250,557,526 GH/s
Sep 25 2014   34,661,425,924   16.20%     248,116,151 GH/s



Start at sept 25 2014 to Sep 16th 2015

about 360 days 


  we went from 34,661,425,924 to 56,957,648,455

if we do this growth from now until July 8 2017  I will do very well.

Since they are in control  it suits them to play this game exactly like that  as it will max their profit.

And it also maxes my profit since I purchased batch 1 and 2 before the ½ ing.

Nice numbers but do you really have that much faith in bitmain to keep the price high? all they care about is thier own profit , once the purchase rate drops to a number they are not happy with they will drop the price 30% like they did with the s7 and later on down to 50% , if anything the smart thing to do is sell yours now and keep your mined coins and then buy back when the price drops in a few weeks.

Thats what I'm waiting on.
legendary
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But but but... it's LIMITED EDISHIN, collectible almost, you'll have the honor of being among the million of other suckers who fell for that.

LOL!

The good news is that whoever bought Batch 2 (or was it 3?) for under 3 BTC can now sell it for a nice ROI, considering that they mined perhaps half a coin by now.

That's a very tempting idea. Sell now before Bitmain drops prices, resulting in everyone and their brother buying S9's which in turn will drive the difficulty through the roof. Then consider re-buying on the other side when things are stabilized.

It's all about timing. If Bitmain - like Phil was suggesting above - can hold the whole network stagnant for a few months then actual mining ROI might be possible for the early batches, depending on which wave of the BTC pump they were bought on. But if they drop the price 2-3 weeks from now then it's going to suck for everyone, including early adopters.

This sort of gambling is why I'm sitting this one out, hoarding my precious. Won with S5, lost with S7, not gonna martingale it.

My S7's barely made a profit for me with free electricity (the profit is actually in the resale, the BTC mined almost exactly matches the BTC spent for them).  S9's currently:
B3
paid inc shipping: 2.957
Earned so far: 0.671475368
Left to ROI: 2.285524632

B4
paid inc shipping: 3.149
Earned so far: 0.366534368
Left to ROI: 2.782465632

I am happy to see the price not drop too fast on these.  I was kind of pissed when the S7's were available new for less than I still need to earn to ROI on the early batches.  That's part of the reason I only bought two of these so far, I was hedging my bet a little.

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